More On Moon Hoaxes...

Tonight, I caught a bit of a French made documentary type
thing run on CBC Newsworld's " The Passionate Eye ". It
was called " Dark Side Of The Moon ", and as I came in to
it in mid stream, I was scandalised as to not another
conspiracy whacko thing.

Turned out is was a *mock*umentary, made to show the
idea that media cutting, and selective uses of clips
could make almost any often filmed/interviewed public
official appear to be supporting anything that the
filmmakers wanted them to appear to be.

Fwew !

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
(Andre Lieven) on 17 Nov 2003 05:57:06 GMT,
which said:

Tonight, I caught a bit of a French made documentary type
thing run on CBC Newsworld's " The Passionate Eye ". It
was called " Dark Side Of The Moon ", and as I came in to
it in mid stream, I was scandalised as to not another
conspiracy whacko thing.

Turned out is was a *mock*umentary, made to show the
idea that media cutting, and selective uses of clips
could make almost any often filmed/interviewed public
official appear to be supporting anything that the
filmmakers wanted them to appear to be.

Damn! Mrs Beady and I went to see "Master and Commander" last night,
and missed it. Could have taped it, though, if I'd known.

Andre, if it comes 'round again, see if you can give a holler.

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Beady's 11th Law of Social Harmonics: "Your spouse is precisely the kind of person someone like you would choose to marry."

(Andre Lieven) wrote in message ...
Tonight, I caught a bit of a French made documentary type
thing run on CBC Newsworld's " The Passionate Eye ". It
was called " Dark Side Of The Moon ", and as I came in to
it in mid stream, I was scandalised as to not another
conspiracy whacko thing.

Turned out is was a *mock*umentary, made to show the
idea that media cutting, and selective uses of clips
could make almost any often filmed/interviewed public
official appear to be supporting anything that the
filmmakers wanted them to appear to be.

Fwew !

Andre

The sorts of multi-million dollar infomercials that our NASA puts
over, commanding multiple publications and of those terrific NOVA
productions are in fact terrific at snookering most nice folks into
believing in almost anything, like the ESE fiasco being remotely
feasible is almost as doable as Zubrin's Mars or bust fiasco.
Meanwhile we've got absolutely nothing whatsoever interactive that's
reporting back from the moon.

I've add another page (GV-LM-1) and edited upon a couple of others:

If to be suggesting upon wild and crazy things is what makes life
worth living, especially if they're to be horrifically spendy and
somewhat lethal, in that case I've got lots to say about utilizing the
moon as well as Venus.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lm-1.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-cm-ccm-01.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation-103.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/earth-moon-energy.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lse-energy.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/vl2-iss-joke.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-sar.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
plus a few dozen other pages.

John Beaderstadt ) writes:
I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
(Andre Lieven) on 17 Nov 2003 05:57:06 GMT,
which said:

Tonight, I caught a bit of a French made documentary type
thing run on CBC Newsworld's " The Passionate Eye ". It
was called " Dark Side Of The Moon ", and as I came in to
it in mid stream, I was scandalised as to not another
conspiracy whacko thing.

Turned out is was a *mock*umentary, made to show the
idea that media cutting, and selective uses of clips
could make almost any often filmed/interviewed public
official appear to be supporting anything that the
filmmakers wanted them to appear to be.

Damn! Mrs Beady and I went to see "Master and Commander" last night,
and missed it. Could have taped it, though, if I'd known.

Ah. You get Newsworld as well as regular CBC teevee ?

Andre, if it comes 'round again, see if you can give a holler.

I bumped into it by channel surfing ( Why ? 'Cause I'm a guy g ),
but a search on the CBC site under the title of the series that
runs such documentaries, " The Passionate Eye ", and then, the
program title, " Dark Side Of The Moon ", might turn something
useful up for you. Thats at cbc.ca, of course.

Otherwise, I was watching some of the Dune DVD series, just
before that.

Say, on an aside note, I see that theres a new DVD release of
" Marooned " out now, but has anyone found anything on a DVD
re-release of " Doppleganger " aka " Journey To The Far Side
Of The Sun " ? My searches to date found " out of print ".

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
(Andre Lieven) on 18 Nov 2003 01:43:08 GMT,
which said:

Say, on an aside note, I see that theres a new DVD release of
" Marooned " out now, but has anyone found anything on a DVD
re-release of " Doppleganger " aka " Journey To The Far Side
Of The Sun " ? My searches to date found " out of print ".

Not surprising. No one I've talked to understands how titles are
scheduled for DVD release. You can buy all kinds of Gene Autry, but
movies like Schindler's List, the African Queen and Those Magnificent
Men in Their Flying Machines aren't even on the horizon.

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Beady's 11th Law of Social Harmonics: "Your spouse is precisely the kind of person someone like you would choose to marry."

John Beaderstadt ) writes:
I was reading in the bathroom when I ran across an item written by
(Andre Lieven) on 18 Nov 2003 01:43:08 GMT,
which said:

Say, on an aside note, I see that theres a new DVD release of
" Marooned " out now, but has anyone found anything on a DVD
re-release of " Doppleganger " aka " Journey To The Far Side
Of The Sun " ? My searches to date found " out of print ".

Not surprising. No one I've talked to understands how titles are
scheduled for DVD release. You can buy all kinds of Gene Autry, but
movies like Schindler's List, the African Queen and Those Magnificent
Men in Their Flying Machines aren't even on the horizon.

Its a weird industry, thats for sure.

I also heard, on another newsgroup, that was discussing Babylon 5
DVD sales, that the reason we've not seen a second season box set of
The Mary Tyler Moore Show, is that the first one didn't seel very well.

Given that show's popularity, between re-runs and all, thats also
a surprise from the marketplace.

But, I'd really like a copy of Doppleganger.... :-)

For that matter, now that all the Gerry Anderson Supermarionation
shows are out on DVD, whats the hold up for the two 1960s T'birds
movies, Thunderbirds Are Go and Thunderbird 6 ?

Andre ( Waiting for delivery of Canada A People's History and
The West Wing on DVD... )

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.

From: (Henry Spencer)
"Some of Hubble's instruments (notably the now-retired Faint Object
Camera) could not tolerate looking at the Moon, but some can."

Absolute horse pucky, you NASA Borg. Imaging of an illumination
reflection index of roughly 11%, especially via good old earthshine
offers an ideal illumination for the likes of Hubble. Taking a few
dozen or even 100 such images (possibly at most one hour worth of
Hubble resources) and then stacking the best of those via good digital
photo software, including some applied resampling and "unsharp"
filtering in order to bring additional pixel information into focus,
for those of you that are legally blind, is not rocket science. If
that doesn't obtain 0.1 meter resolution (1 meter raw) than your Borg
programming is running itself amuck.

BTW; just in case some nice folks haven't discovered what the likes of
wizard Jay is all about, checkout some of the following and be sure to
reflect upon those two quotes offered by Lord Jay Windley.

"The moon, the Apollo ruse/sting, the snookered fools we are"

The lunar environment is obviously not moderated by any significant
atmosphere nor Van Allen belt, thus of the solar/cosmic, cosmic and
gamma ray exposures are unimpeded, and as such the radiation
environment is hardly being stabilized nor averaged over time. It's
either too damn hot or too damn cold or too freaking lethal unless
you're enjoying all of it by earthshine, though not to mention having
to avoid the somewhat pesky issue of it raining micro meteorites.

The space/solar weather of such nasty stuff includes a great deal of
the relatively passive warmth of IR, on into the somewhat lethal UV
spectrums, either of which can be fended off by relatively low
technology, although UV/c can start to be a bit penetrating unless
there's an artificial barrier of sufficient solids, such as any good
moon suit will suffice.

Higher frequency and thus high energy is not so easily stopped by any
moon suit, and of what is being slowed down and/or partially absorbed
by the suit, or by way of most any substance, is what creates those
hard x-ray class radiation issues. Actually the greater the material
density the greater the secondary impact becomes, especially at the
thickness and/or density per square centimeter of what our Apollo
mission had to work with.

Of too little shielding and you're affected by the direct radiation
impact, of thicker shield and/or of greater density obviously blocks
more of the primary influx while creating greater and even somewhat
more lethal hard x-ray class dosage. Depending upon what sort of
influx or solar flak is hitting your exterior environment, such as
cosmic and/or gamma can obviously make a rather tremendous difference
of mostly negative issues as far as protecting life as we know it.
Just like our sun can deliver relatively passive and low energy
dosages, while at times the solar output offers the capability and/or
intensity of exceeding several thousand rads per hour, which is not a
serious exposure problem if you've got a healthy Van Allen zone plus
tonnes of atmosphere per m2 as your shield, and not that thousands of
folks don't go about expiring each and every year specifically due to
their receiving too much solar and cosmic radiation.

When those several thousand rads per hour impact a substance such as
clumping moon dirt, a matrix of many things that should represent
3.4+g/cc, this is where the somewhat lethal solar flux that's just
plain old nasty becomes downright lethal within an hour's worth of
exposure. Thus the lunar surface exposed to a passive solar
environment might lull itself into creating a mere 100 rads (1 Sv) per
day (24 hours or a respectable 4.17 rads/hr), although the sun wasn't
in any passive mode nor was the solar activity sufficient as to fend
off the cosmic and gamma ray aspects, thus the combined surface impact
for whatever and/or whomever was certainly capable of creating 360
rads per day (15 rads/hr), that is if you're honestly accounting for
the secondary contributions of what the lunar surface itself was
capable of creating.

Your standard issue moon suit can cut the likes of direct solar
radiation, mostly because at least for some of the passive/thermal
solar event timeline isn't itself of lethal hard x-ray class, although
of whatever does impact the suit and mostly of what impacts the lunar
surface will be creating a fairly large TBI worthy dosage. More recent
solar events such as those of October/November 2003 were off the
scale, so strong that of our best instruments were essentially blown
away. Fortunately there were only much smaller ongoing solar events
during the Apollo mission era, which was a good thing as for fending
off some of the cosmic class radiation, though representing a truly
bad sort of thing as for any space expedition that's as close as we
were to our sun.

As for being further away from the sun, such as Mars, offers a solar
environment safety improvement, though somewhat worse off as for
allowing more cosmic radiation to impact and subsequently interact
with whatever and/or whomever is anywhere near and/or situated behind
a substance that's not sufficiently thick enough as to block and
otherwise absorb all of the influx, plus having to subdue secondary
hard x-ray class radiation before it gets to your butt. It seems we
currently have a wee bit of a problem in placing sufficient mass into
orbit, much less headed off to places like the moon or Mars, thus our
manned missions off to whatever is residing outside our Van Allen zone
of death are essentially unresolved issues as of today, though not
insurmountable.

The absolute proof that it's truly nasty beyond our Van Allen zone of
death is in the pudding, in the fact that there's been an effort to
skew and/or cloak the truthful data, as for example in providing
absolutely no access to any of the original negatives or film
transparencies of these Apollo missions. At this point I'm not even
suggesting upon obtaining an actual image frame, but merely of the
leader and/or trail which couldn't possibly have betrayed and/or
impacted upon one of those infamous images, of which there are 10's of
thousands of said frames to select from, of which the public has
viewed copies and/or prints from less than 1%, leaving 99% of those
available frames (stills and movie film) nonutilized, perhaps because
those weren't all that great to look at, though of what the image
contains is rather insignificant as for otherwise determining
radiation, of which just about any portion of film, from an actual
frame or of what's between or of the leader/trailer portions would
have done just fine and dandy.

Though sadly, at this late time, there'd be no way of identifying the
film as for being actual Apollo related, unless those were of viable
lunar landscape images included. As for obtaining a trailer/leader
portion of processed film would simply be unreliable and entirely
meaningless since there'd be no certainty of it actually being what it
is.

Using an electron microscope, or even a sufficiently good digital scan
of a section of even a film leader and/or trailer could have revealed
the exact dosages of radiation exposure, down to the individual
millirad or millirem level, as even a single millirad worth of
recorded dosage could have been detected, though this would have taken
100+ millirad in order to have become observed to the human eye, of
which all such Apollo mission film should have received at least
several rads/rems if not hundreds. Human cells will for the most part
recover from such TBI dosages, though film offers a one-way recording
of the radiation accumulation, with or without ever being exposed to
taking pictures.

Of course at this point there's no simple and/or definitive method of
identifying a primary radiation impact from that of a secondary,
although the electron microscope could help to determined the various
wavelength differences affecting those film emulsion crystals. Film
crystals being mostly analog, but also somewhat digital in that every
individual crystal or photon bucket can be affected to a differing
degree, as there are far more of those emulsion crystals (photon
buckets) per square mm than our finest CCD technology of even today,
thus a great deal of information has always been available, far
exceeding the optical lens resolution, including the detection of
mostly near UV starlight upon those crystals. But oddly all access has
been avoided for the rather obvious reasons, of reasons that must
include the fact of such imaging wasn't necessarily accomplished on
the lunar surface.

This doesn't represent that our Apollo missions didn't for a time exit
the Van Allen zone of death, possibly even to orbit the moon and of
robotically deploying any number of experiments, as even a lunar orbit
would have been quite risky business and of itself somewhat TBI
worthy, although nowhere as bad off as for the actual solar and cosmic
irradiated surface.

Since there's supposedly been absolutely nothing for NASA or as for
those worshiping of Apollo folks to fear nor lose, absolutely no
possible damage to an original frame of their precious film, the only
remaining fact of the matter becomes rather too obvious. Not that
there's plenty of image contents worth arguing about, like the 50+%
reflective index that's clearly observed within so may of the images,
and for the rather odd lack of sufficient meteorites and various
impact shards strewn about the lunar morgue, of a fully exposed
surface which should have been at least as covered by such debris as
Mars is, if not a whole lot more so.

Actually, the ongoing numbers of micro meteorites impacting the lunar
surface at 5+km/s should have been at least one per m2/day, although
one per m2/hour shouldn't have been unexpected, and of any suitable
lander constructed as for fending off such an influx. We now realize
that the lander was anything but sufficiently constructed as to fend
off much more than clumping moon dirt, among many other deficiencies
which included radiation abatement that obviously wasn't worth squat,
except for avoiding a UV class sun burn.

Jay Windley wrote:
"It is simply not necessary to follow all lines of investigation to
some absolute standard of completeness in order to draw reliable
conclusions."

and

"The search for truth is not a game in which evidence is doled out
according to some strategy. It is based on full and accurate
disclosure of the facts for examination."

Jay Windley's first quote is quite true to life, although his second
quote is surely from another planet besides Earth, perhaps from
another dimension to boot.

I guess I'm still the village idiot that's thinking way outside the
box, as for our going back to the moon (if ever) may have to be for
robots, not for mankind. At least not until we have obtained a
sufficiently astronaut pilot documented and thus working lander of
sufficient shielding as for radiation as well as for fending off all
those pesky micro meteorites.

LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator plus Counter Mass and new ISS) or
GMDE (Guth Moon Dirt Express), plus there's lots of other related
stuff, with more on the way (incorrect math, poor grammar and my
dyslexic syntax to boot);
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-cm-ccm-01.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-hybrid-irc.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-h2o2-irrce.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-lm-1.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-basalt.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS~GASA