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Old December 1st 18, 05:12 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.
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Old December 1st 18, 05:21 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:12:34 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.


You have to guess before you arrive at a conclusion. Scientists do it all the

time.

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Old December 1st 18, 11:03 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:12:34 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.


You have to guess before you arrive at a conclusion. Scientists do it all the

time.


Scientists do not base their theories on guesses, ever. Look up "scientific method" and learn something new.
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Old December 1st 18, 11:22 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:12:34 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.


You have to guess before you arrive at a conclusion. Scientists do it all the

time.


Scientists do not base their theories on guesses, ever. Look up "scientific method" and learn something new.


Look in the dictionary for "hypothesis."

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Old December 1st 18, 11:32 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 2:22:56 PM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:12:34 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.

You have to guess before you arrive at a conclusion. Scientists do it all the

time.


Scientists do not base their theories on guesses, ever. Look up "scientific method" and learn something new.


Look in the dictionary for "hypothesis."


Sure, let's do that, it is a good idea...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

"A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research, in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought."

OK? Now, let's look up scientific theory...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment. In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge."

Notice the words "observation" and "experiment" are really important... and the only instance of the word "guess" is actually "educated guess", when applied to an hypothesis.

I'll say it again, there is place for 'guessing' in the formulation of scientific theories, never was and never will be.
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Old December 1st 18, 11:37 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 4:32:13 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 2:22:56 PM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 4:03:38 PM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 8:21:19 AM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Saturday, December 1, 2018 at 10:12:34 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
There is simply no place for guessing in science, only evidence in the form of experiments and/or observations. Without those you have nothing to offer.

You have to guess before you arrive at a conclusion. Scientists do it all the

time.

Scientists do not base their theories on guesses, ever. Look up "scientific method" and learn something new.


Look in the dictionary for "hypothesis."


Sure, let's do that, it is a good idea...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis

"A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A working hypothesis is a provisionally accepted hypothesis proposed for further research, in a process beginning with an educated guess or thought."

OK? Now, let's look up scientific theory...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment. In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge."

Notice the words "observation" and "experiment" are really important... and the only instance of the word "guess" is actually "educated guess", when applied to an hypothesis.

I'll say it again, there is place for 'guessing' in the formulation of scientific theories, never was and never will be.


Once you get to the theory and fact stage of science you are done with guessing.

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Old December 2nd 18, 10:05 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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palsing wrote on 2/12/2018 9:32 AM:

Snip

Notice the words "observation" and "experiment" are really
important... and the only instance of the word "guess" is actually
"educated guess", when applied to an hypothesis.

I'll say it again, there is place for 'guessing' in the formulation
of scientific theories, never was and never will be.

"I'll say it again, there is place for 'guessing' in the formulation of
scientific theories, never was and never will be." .... so there *IS*
place .... or there *never* was ...??

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Old December 2nd 18, 04:56 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Well... oops... There is *no* place for guessing in science...
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Old December 3rd 18, 02:20 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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palsing wrote on 3/12/2018 2:56 AM:
Well... oops... There is *no* place for guessing in science...

Thank you! ;-)

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