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Timekeeping in Genesis
The contemporary mind has a difficult time with these mathematical
facets of certain Judaeo-Christian works and many others which preceded them for you make sense of them in the same way you do all artwork and music .The outwardly religious are no more likely to get it than the non- believer yet there is always a few people where these works find resonance. http://books.google.ie/books?id=c4e8...page&q&f=false It is not a matter whether the chronology in Genesis was modified from earlier texts,the fact is that a number of things stand out.Of the 10 Patriarchs from Adam to Noah,one stands out in terms of the lifespan - Enoch's 365 year spell hints at the underlying structure along with the break in the formula "then he died" http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P7.HTM The structure of the Genesis chronology is incredibly intricate in the way it weaves an artificial chronology and in context of the later works in Christianity is only surpassed by the Rosetta stone of the genealogical structure in Matthew and another work,I have found that these mathematical masterpieces protect the texts and stop the surface narrative from ruining the ageless messages that these works contain and especially that love conquers all where the great life encompasses an individual life as long as we let it in. The creative (and the recklessly imaginative like Newton) are drawn to these things in a way the common mind would find hard to comprehend so the audience for this stuff is always going to be very small even if there is a lot of activity around guessing what numbers represent and so on.The mathematical facets are geometrical in nature even if the false conclusions center on gematria yet at no time have I found these encrusted mathematical jewels in the texts to affect what is written,they certainly make a person feel a sense of pride in their faith by making it fuller or deeper in details and in a funny sort of way it is more mysterious in how these things play out than any hidden secret.How do you get anyone to appreciate the beauty in art or poetry if they can't see it or music if they can't hear it likewise if readers imagine Genesis to be a childish work then that is all they are going to get,those who look a little closer will certainly find something different. There is nothing casual about these things and even if they are impenetrable for those who cannot get into the flow of faith for whatever reasons,they come with a sense of responsibility and are almost private in nature.In some ways they can only be described in an oblique way which makes astronomy a breeze as that involves spacial awareness whereas the chronological structure of Genesis is more like describing artwork in motion,you see it at a glance and then spot what is going on- "They are scarcely seen; they are felt rather than seen; there is the greatest difficulty in making them felt by those who do not of themselves perceive them. These principles are so fine and so numerous that a very delicate and very clear sense is needed to perceive them, and to judge rightly and justly when they are perceived, without for the most part being able to demonstrate them in order as in mathematics, because the principles are not known to us in the same way, and because it would be an endless matter to undertake it. We must see the matter at once, at one glance, and not by a process of reasoning, at least to a certain degree. And thus it is rare that mathematicians are intuitive and that men of intuition are mathematicians, because mathematicians wish to treat matters of intuition mathematically and make themselves ridiculous, wishing to begin with definitions and then with axioms, which is not the way to proceed in this kind of reasoning. Not that the mind does not do so, but it does it tacitly, naturally, and without technical rules; for the expression of it is beyond all men, and only a few can feel it." Blaise Pascal Before people make a casual conclusion about Genesis or any other work of the Bible,they would do well to remember that we bring to these things our own prejudices and strengths and far from criticizing those who simply see nothing in Christ or Christianity or something childish or worse,they are simply expressing the standard by which they judge all things including scientific affairs.It is therefore not defending Genesis for its doesn't need defending as the religious can actually appreciate Genesis more with the availability of information today and those facets which would have appeared less radiant a few centuries ago now stand out clearly as mathematical masterpieces woven around a surface narrative. |
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Timekeeping in Genesis
On 11/11/11 4:10 AM, oriel36 wrote:
Before people make a casual conclusion about Genesis or any other work of the Bible,they would do well to remember that we bring to these things our own prejudices and strengths and far from criticizing those who simply see nothing in Christ or Christianity or something childish or worse,they are simply expressing the standard by which they judge all things including scientific affairs.It is therefore not defending Genesis for its doesn't need defending as the religious can actually appreciate Genesis more with the availability of information today and those facets which would have appeared less radiant a few centuries ago now stand out clearly as mathematical masterpieces woven around a surface narrative. AS Galileo pointed out some 400 years ago, the Christan bible is not about how the heavens go, but how to go to heaven. If you want fundamentals about celestial astronomy, than Isaac Newton and those that followed. |
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Timekeeping in Genesis
On Nov 11, 7:28*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 11/11/11 4:10 AM, oriel36 wrote: Before people make a casual conclusion about Genesis or any other work of the Bible,they would do well to remember that we bring to these things our own prejudices and strengths and far from criticizing those who simply see nothing in Christ or Christianity or something childish or worse,they are simply expressing the standard by which they judge all things including scientific affairs.It is therefore not defending Genesis for its doesn't need defending as the religious can actually appreciate Genesis more with the availability of information today and those facets which would have appeared less radiant a few centuries ago now stand out clearly as mathematical masterpieces woven around a surface narrative. * *AS Galileo pointed out some 400 years ago, the Christan bible is * *not about how the heavens go, but how to go to heaven. I see you didn't get the new insight which uses Jupiter's satellite Io just as Galileo once used the satellites to affirm that the Earth moves.The new insight relies on the position of Io in relation to the shadow it casts on the surface of Jupiter and the observer on a moving Earth will see Io to either one side or the other as the Earth approaches Jupiter and passes it. Within a few paragraphs, Genesis states something you can't and won't - " Evening came, and morning followed - the second day..." Gen 1 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/__P3.HTM You cannot imagine the depth of dismay in seeing readers adopt an imbalance between days and the daily effects insofar as 1461 rotation keeps in step with the daily effects where morning follows evening across the 4 years and 4 orbital circuits of the Earth so however you may regard the creationists presently,at least they have reached an intellectual level which surpasses yours. If you want * *fundamentals about celestial astronomy, than Isaac Newton and those * *that followed. You are talking 'celestial mechanics' or the clockwork solar system inherited through Ra/Dec and not only does it not work,it is preventing necessary modification to be enacted and the biggest one is the explanation of the orbital daylight/darkness cycle where the cycle is coincident wit the orbital period of the Earth and it is observed. Lacking any sense of responsibility to the point where even the surface narrative of Genesis, which is created to serve a purpose,is more valuable in describing how a day contains an evening and morning cycle than all the present empirical doctrines combined must make people feel as low as I do right now.The Genesis text is a work of art in doing what it needs to do ,at least from a mathematical standpoint,and it requires no explaining by me or anyone else as with the later Christian works,its existence is almost self-explanatory to those who approach it with good faith. It was not a reaction to that participant who takes satisfaction from a 6 year old child's opinion of Genesis and how it was influenced by the Babylonian flood narratives which preceded it.The ancients had good reason to believe in a global flood as they saw seashells high on mountains in rock strata and wove their narratives around this geological observation which was initially resolved by the priest Nicolas Steno in creating the first geological principles of superposition with the oldest layers at the bottom as a geological timeline.It is amazing what you can learn from the ancients even in the surface narrative of Genesis as it shows how observant these people were to their surroundings.You and your colleagues can't even mesh one 24 hour/360 degree rotation of the Earth with daily effects so no wonder you have so much trouble with our Christian heritage. |
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