Valeev is by no means the worst offender

jmfbahciv wrote:

Fred J. McCall wrote:
jmfbahciv jmfbahciv@aol wrote:

:That's part of the fun....turning noise into quality signal :-).

A pity there are so many netloons working to do the reverse.

Since Ian has decided to become vicious, I'm not going to try with his
posts anymore.

I must have missed that...how do you define "vicious" in
someone who is clearly non compos mentis?

: BTW, why didn't you go after the Marine Bio?
:
:
:No money. Turns out, looking back, I probably would not have
:done anything remarkable in the bio field.

The majority of science is unremarkable...tiny facts which,
over time, form building blocks of larger ideas, but the
day to day operation isn't nearly as glamorous as some
people seem to think...a fact which I'm reminded of every
time I find myself up to my elbows in dirty glassware or
on the floor peering up into the the bowels of some piece
of non-functioning equipment.

(Microbio has an additional yuck! factor...it frequently
stinks in the most literal of gag-inducing sense of the
word...Shewanella came by the "putrefaciens" designator
very honestly and some of the Geobacters, when grown
in certain media, smell like blood. No wonder my daughter
opted for Molecular instead of Micro. :-))

Deirdre

: On Feb 24, 12:53 pm, wrote:

::: Payback?

::You betcha

: I think you need to define "payback". Your "you betcha"
: reminds me that Palin has made such a name for herself
: and everyone knows her, espcially ****ed off Alaskans
: who now know to whom to direct their anger for their
: problems. But THAT is the topic of another post.

O.K, I'll define payback (without yet also defining
what the spectre for a group of industry-wide trans-
ferrable skill sets might mean to some independent
governing authority):

Asteroid mining can become both a federally funded and pri-
vate enterprise venture. This is where the current balan-
cing effect of earthbound private-industry-to-government
spending ratios will need to retain their integration so
that familiar lines of communication regarding sensitive
technology are not lost to isolationism. Some will natur-
ally differ on this subject.

Right now, the interest in asteroid mining is widespread.
Just take a look at all of the scientific investigators
listed in the International Astronomical Union Symposium
#229 in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil from August 7-12, 2005,
and you will find hundreds of speakers and participants
from all over the world that are interested in the study
of asteroids and comets. In addition to these people,
there's a growing number of professional websites that
are dedicated to exploring the asteroids, using all kinds
of exotically propelled spacecraft. Which one is the
most feasible (?) one might ask. It is my belief that we
have to look at earth-to-orbit technology first, and see
where it should go, rather than where it is
presently going.

::: You obviously are a very practical man but are no
::: scientist. You MUST take risks in order to get gain.

:: Agreed, however, that would depend on how many
:: scientists are involved with the project. (I'm
:: guessing that there are, perhaps a few hundred
:: thousand educated people out there with the in-
:: telligence to pursue a project of this magnitude.

:: Of course, that would also mean that these people
:: have the ability to organize into intelligent
:: groups under varied disciplines.

: Worked during Apollo days.

What worked then works now, too, if done the right way.

::: That aside the sheer aspect of finding something
::: in the core even if it wasn't water would have
::: scientific benefit. But if it was water, then the
::: payback would be being able to have your own water
::: while you were on Mars which could become the same
::: economically as discovering the next New World as
::: Columbus often gets creditted for. Not next year
::: or even next decade. Century? Yes!

:: Mars is too deep a gravity well for exploration.

: Earth's is bigger and we explore it all the time.

By "we", I'm assuming that the entire world has
access to a single gold deposit? That, IMO, prefers
material wealth over scientific intuition - intuition's
much richer than that.

:: You can accomplish much more without having to
:: contend with powerlaunches by investigating the
:: delta-V's of various asteroids - in proximity to
:: water-bearing moons (like Enceladus or Europa).

: Enceladus is at Saturn at roughy 10 AUs, Europa is
: at Jupiter at roughly 5 AUs, Mars is at 1.5 AUs.
: Now what were you saying about delta-Vs? I know
: these numbers from memory. You go look them up now!
: Then come back to me when you want to play more at
: Solar System astronomy. If there is water on Mars,
: then we should use it!

:: A voyage to Mars, although a romanticist's dream,
:: doesn't do much in the realm of space-based
:: utilitarianism. The environment won't support
:: life for extended periods without constant life-
:: support.

: We would be able to do more with Mars since it has
: much better solar radiation than does the asteriods
: and potential water-bearing moons that orbit gas
: giants, simply because Mars is closer. If the moon
: had an atmosphere, which is doesn't, and had known
: water, which it doesn't, then IT would be the better
: choice because it is closer to us and to the Sun.

Your assuming that, "much better solar radiation"
is more of an answer to generating a global wide
rush into orbit than asteroid mining would be?

It's quite onerous to assume support from those who
think that their golden calves can "buy" them
their freedom from an economic system tending towards
earth-bound globalism, when it is that very kind of
globalism that hamstrings free market economies into
colonial fiefdoms.

Mars is too dead of a planet to provide much of a
future in this solar system - IMO either the Spitzer
Space Telescope, the James Webb Telescope, Chandra,
etc. will discover an earth-size, earth-like planet
much sooner than anyone should be interested in
exploring the Mars for posterity's sake.

:: Sure, once a base has become established,
:: all kinds of studies can be made while in planetary
:: isolation, but what does this really accomplish?

: The roots of colonization. Growing food, etc.

Already been there, done that. (See hydroponics,
the original 13 colonies, job responsibilities, etc.)

:: O'neill colonies achieve the same thing without
:: getting caught in the gravity wells of planets,
:: and also permit more earthly orbital type infra-
:: structures to become established for some actual
:: space industry for a space-faring civilization
:: to propogate throughout the solar system.

: No natural water. Mars has water as found by
: several landers. Not standing liquid water but
: in the permafrost. We need to create liquid
: water from the permafrost in a lander's lab the
: next time we send one.

Due to the spectre of new-found earth-like planetary
systems on the horizon, in addition to Mars being
such a gravity trap, we have the possibility of
Mars getting percieved as an entrenched prison
planet, in total dependence upon whatever outside
resources get to provide the escape route via some
'new earth' (post discovery). A prison riot on a
prison planet seems the greater likelihood. Who
WOULD these people be subservient to?

::: You don't think that far ahead, do you? Are you
::: like those GM types that have a 10-day forecast,
::: to which the Japanese found firghtening?

:: You making fun of GM?

: No! I am making fun of GM execs that thought no
: further ahead than the next 10 days!

And the price of gas didn't rise nearly $3/gallon
in the space of 3 months? Are you nuts?

:: Take a look at how the Arabs
:: control the oil, and you'll get an idea of how
:: the auto industry must follow suit.

: It seems that the Japanese and Europeans, that still
: have healthy auto industries, have managed to find
: a way to deal with the Arabs. Stop sounding like a
: victim and especially the Arabs, it doesn't suit you
: or your name.

Since you're describing only "European nations as
the only ones who can "deal with" the Arabs, let
me suggest that it wasn't "Europeans" who created
the engine of prosperity as it exists in it's
present form in the west: it wasn't "Europeans"
that America should emulate by example, esp.
if that technological mindset exists, already
and practically to undermine the useful idiocy
of Hollywood, the America-haters of the Communists,
the anti-religious bigots with their "religious-
free" zones (who position Christianity as a white
man's religion), the tort activists, and the
media whores who're in the business of creating
institutions out of monopoly and nepotism.

So now you're telling me that the effect of rising
competition against a settlement on Mars will
be this media's acoutrement to professionally
reported news, esp. as they have become opposed
to these kinds of planetary monopolies?

Shame on you. When America's economic and security
interests become so entangled with the rest of
the world's, America's news media will separate
itself from the harloted economy - and that
means TOTAL economic separation - both domestically
and internationally, as it applies against the NWO
scheme of things.

:: We're sick and
:: tired of high oil prices, but the rest of the
:: world wants to sanction the U.S. as a trading
:: partner, because most of this propoganda being
:: spewed by the ignorant don't know that there is
:: actually an infinite supply - they think in terms
:: their cups being half full, when they're actually
:: half emptied by greedy Arabs and greedy bureaucrats.

: We have had cheap oil for years and the rest of the
: world paid through the nose. I know, I lived in Europe.
: The rest of the world is getting even. That is all.
: It won't last forever.

By "getting even" shouldn't we insinuate that a common
misperception of America is that Americans use mechani-
zation to hit the head of Europeans? No, no, the
REAL America was hedging their bets against foreign
imperialist economic aggression, based upon the
enemies of free will within intelligent design.

The economic war continues, as the mis-perception shifts
from initiator of progress to observer of progress,
without the least bit of understanding of how and
why that progress was, and is, becoming perceived.

: I remember when the German Mark was worth a quarter.
: Now the euro is worth more than the dollar. You want
: progress? Let's work on reaching parity with the
: euro and then passing them!

The NWO is too entrenched with the financial systems
of the world to create the right kind of "parity"
between "observers" and "initiators". As such, those
in control, or more exactly, the Antichrist, will
cause all, both rich and poor, bond and free...)
which comes from the book of Revelation 13: 16-18,
so IO'm not so sure about you're system of "parity".

::: Look at GM now. We had BETTER learn to think
::: five years ahead if we plan on being here then!
::: The same goes for 100!

:: The economy of orbital and transorbital technologi
:: an asteroid mining technology venture would depend
:: a massive political and cultural drive in order to
:: erate the market incentive for propogating the tech
:: in order to establish an eternally accessible, earth
:: orbit market - competing directly with the earth-ba
:: mining infrastructure, specifically legislated by an
:: independent authority to decrease the monopolies tha
:: have become entrenched by the interlocking corporate
:: directorships of the New World Order.

: There is no supply and demand problem with metal
: today that warrants the cost of spaceflight to the
: asteroids to bring back metal to earth.

Aside of the exploitation of mineral resources, that if
there was more of a need for macroeconomic ripples,

"You are allowed to disagree if you believe that the
Federal Reserve sets the rates for platinum, which it
would not if the privateers are the ones who set the
price in the first place. Just because there is "policing"
or "fear" that greed will run amok on earth is no reason
to believe that the privateers are a bunch of pirates,
either. You can arbitrarily set the price of platinum
as low as you want, so the resource for platinum will
then just "dry up" without replenishment." All this
means is that outside of earth orbit, there are advan-
tages to being closer to where the mining takes place."

: Sure I like the Dawn mission, but it isn't going
: to be the next quarry for earth-based manufacturing.
: We'll use the asteroids for space-based manufacturing.

There are near earth asteroids that are supposed to be
metal-rich. Their spectrographic signatures identify
them as enstatite achrondites, consisting of enstatite
or magnesium silicate, containing abundant metal and
silicon. There are also literally hundreds of addi-
tional inner belt asteroids that are of the earth-
crossing type (notice that I did not say near-earth
approaching). The spectrographic signatures of these
asteroids are also effected using advanced
SAR technology.

:: Doesn't anyone recognize that the NWO is an *evil*
:: entity? (Based upon the current economic climate,
:: I'll bet NO)

: The planet is 7,927 miles wide. Always has been always
: will be. We are 6.6 billion and growing. They say by
: 2050 we'll level off. The point is that the more people
: there are means a shrinking earth that must be dealt
: with. You can't undo global communication and tech-
: nological progress like the internet. It is here
: to stay.

Minted Asteroidal gold is a sure driver for industrial-
izing the solar system, and is not so far off as most
dominionists think:

"An easing of constraints on the use of minted coin,
set by the privateers, would allow the economic paradigm
to shift back into the direction of pay-in credit cards,
as well as easing the national debt, as promisory notes
reinvest towards financial and technological independence".

(from:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...f99860c0ebd?hl

=en

: Eric

One often mentions the highly elliptical orbit trajectory
delta-V's required for phasing perigee towards the
asteroid's orbital intercept, and the fuel used in the
round trip. I have uploaded a listing of "Delta-v for
Spacecraft Rendezvous" at:

http://home.comcast.net/~samuel_rans...ndezvous_h.htm

A flyby requires a window that stretches
from a long range, low delta-V to a short range, high
delta-V, and the cargo vessel window of opportunity exists
to a lesser degree within this window. Not all rotational
periods are available for an asteroid.

For this reason, the flyby would be the real determinant of
whether or not to mine the asteroid. However, many of the
larger asteroids ( 1 km.) have low enough rotation periods
that it would not affect the mining operation.

Since we're operating in a very low-g environment, strip
mining would be out of the question. Following up on a
synthetic aperture radar mapping of the asteroid, we
have available data that can be gleaned for specific
metal deposits that are approximately 1mm surface depth.

It is my contention that over a specific number of counts,
let's say a few hundred thousand gamma quanta distribu-
tions, the presence of a larger field of width and/or
depth for exploration may be narrowed down to within
5 or ten meters wide and/or deep. More desirably we
can drill down using huge boring devices rather than
strip mining because of the low-g problem. The mining
area is also under the "umbrella" of the cargo vessel,
which protects it from the harmful radiation if on the
bright side of the asteroid. There are already collec-
tion, scanning, screening, and storage devices that
have been designed for these kinds of operations.


American

"You must keep sending work out; you must never
let a manuscript do nothing but eat its head off
in a drawer. You send that work out again and
again, while you're working on another one.
If you have talent, you will receive some
measure of success - but only if you persist."

- Isaac Asimov

---- AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ----

Andorkles is by all means the worst offender.

"hanson" wrote:
--- http://tinyurl.com/dfz536 ---

[ snipped most of Andro's sad tripe wherein he relives
now his 2nd early child hood with Buggs Bunny who has
become his idol: http://tinyurl.com/4sbexo ... ahahaha]

Andorkles wrote:
Man, this is SO easy to write. No thought required at all.
I've [been] explained [...] the geriatric symptoms of [my]
encroaching senility.

hanson wrote:
ahahaha... Wow, a brief flash of lucidity has manifested
in Andro! .. So, Andro, go have the last word now so
that you can bask in the glory your sorry state and say:
"I won!"... & re-enforce thereby my diagnosis of/about
your sad condition: --- http://tinyurl.com/dfz536 ---.
TFTLIA..... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahahanson

------------
hanson wrote:
..... ahahahaha... So, that tripe below is your "last word"...
inflated to the size of 800+ words??!!... AHAHAHAHA...
BTW, TFTLIA means "Thanks for the laughs in advance"...
& predictably you went for it... ahahaha....
I preserved the salient portions of Andros' post to show
Andorkles' most brilliant state of mind.... ahahahaha....:

"Androcles" wrote:
Another no brainer in cutting off the ends of dicks has inflamed
the link between circumcision and Einstein dingleberryism,
a form of bigotry.
Elise B. Ballsy found that circumcision makes the risk of
dingleberryism five to seven times higher. "The claims don't
hold fluoridated semen," Allfukian said. Colgate uses fluoride
in its toothpaste and it is an important aspect of Einstein
dingleberryism. Circumcision reduces thinking and lowering
the resistance to Einstein's genius, said Hawking-Gonads.

hanson wrote:
...... ahahahaha... Andro, 4 things have crystallized now, big time:
1) You have acknowledged your advanced geriatric state and
condition. Hence no further words are needed on that subject.
2) By your (above condensed) 800 words long dissertation you have
confirmed that you, "Andorkles is by all means the worst offender".
3) For your current and recently exhibited brilliance you will get the
consolation price that says: "Androcles has won"... ahahaha...
But it is not clear, except in his own mind, what Andro has won.
4) Therefore, there is no further need to beat the dead horse.

Thanks for the laughs.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

"hanson" wrote in message
...
---- AHAHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ----

Andorkles is by all means the worst offender.

"hanson" wrote:
--- http://tinyurl.com/dfz536 ---

[ snipped most of Andro's sad tripe wherein he relives now his 2nd early
child hood with Buggs Bunny who has
become his idol: http://tinyurl.com/4sbexo ... ahahaha]

Andorkles wrote:
Man, this is SO easy to write. No thought required at all.
I've [been] explained [...] the geriatric symptoms of [my]
encroaching senility.

hanson wrote:
ahahaha... Wow, a brief flash of lucidity has manifested
in Andro! .. So, Andro, go have the last word now so that you can bask
in the glory your sorry state and say: "I won!"... & re-enforce thereby my
diagnosis of/about your sad condition: --- http://tinyurl.com/dfz536 ---.
TFTLIA..... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha... ahahahanson

------------
hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... So, that tripe below is your "last word"...
inflated to the size of 800+ words??!!... AHAHAHAHA... BTW, TFTLIA means
"Thanks for the laughs in advance"... & predictably you went for it...
ahahaha.... I preserved the salient portions of Andros' post to show
Andorkles' most brilliant state of mind.... ahahahaha....:

"Androcles" wrote:
Another no brainer in cutting off the ends of dicks has inflamed the link
between circumcision and Einstein dingleberryism, a form of bigotry.
Elise B. Ballsy found that circumcision makes the risk of dingleberryism
five to seven times higher. "The claims don't hold fluoridated semen,"
Allfukian said. Colgate uses fluoride in its toothpaste and it is an
important aspect of Einstein dingleberryism. Circumcision reduces
thinking and lowering the resistance to Einstein's genius, said
Hawking-Gonads.

hanson wrote:
..... ahahahaha... Andro, 4 things have crystallized now, big time: 1) You
have acknowledged your advanced geriatric state and
condition. Hence no further words are needed on that subject. 2) By
your (above condensed) 800 words long dissertation you have confirmed that
you, "Andorkles is by all means the worst offender".
3) For your current and recently exhibited brilliance you will get the
consolation price that says: "Androcles has won"... ahahaha...
But it is not clear, except in his own mind, what Andro has won.
4) Therefore, there is no further need to beat the dead horse.

Thanks for the laughs.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

Another no brainer.
A Harvard professor's testimony to the government on the effects of cutting
off the ends of dicks has inflamed a 60-year-long debate over the practice's
safety and its place in the mental health scheme- prompting a University
investigation into his work that has garnered nationwide attention.

Chester Bigass, chair of the Genital Health Policy and Epidemiology
Department at the Harvard School of Penile Medicine (HSPM), submitted
written testimony to the National Research Council last year claiming that
there was no significant link between circumcision and Einstein
dingleberryism, a common but benign form of bigotry particularly prevalent
in the USA.

Since then, several environmental advocacy groups have questioned the
validity of his research, claiming conflict of interest and outright
deception.

"His conclusion that there is no link is a lie," said Kim Throop, the head
toxicologist for the Environmental Clipping Group, the Washington-based
organization that filed the initial ethics complaint with the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. "He cites work in his
references, but directly contradicts it in his write-up."

At the heart of the group's claims lies the work of one of Bigass' doctoral
students, Elise B. Ballsy. Using Bigass' data, Ballsy came up with a
different set of conclusions-she found that circumcision makes the risk
of dingleberryism five to seven times higher.

Ballsy's work has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal, a gold
standard for scientific authenticity. Select portions of her study, however,
have been publicized by the Environmental Clipping Group.

While HSPM is investigating the allegations, several Harvard professors
have spoken out in support of their colleague.

Byron Allfukian Jr., a Harvard associate clinical professor and one of the
foremost experts in penal health policy, called the environmental groups'
claims "ridiculous" and "illogical," saying that Bigass is a world leader in
the field and that the results of his seven-year study should be treated
with respect.

"Androcles" wrote
that he, Androcles, is a no-brainer and posted:

Another no brainer.
A Harvard professor's testimony to the government on the effects of
cutting
off the ends of dicks has inflamed a 60-year-long debate over the
practice's
safety and its place in the mental health scheme- prompting a
University
investigation into his work that has garnered nationwide attention.

Chester Bigass, chair of the Genital Health Policy and Epidemiology
Department at the Harvard School of Penile Medicine (HSPM),
submitted
written testimony to the National Research Council last year
claiming that
there was no significant link between circumcision and Einstein
dingleberryism, a common but benign form of bigotry particularly
prevalent
in the USA.

Since then, several environmental advocacy groups have questioned
the
validity of his research, claiming conflict of interest and outright
deception.

"His conclusion that there is no link is a lie," said Kim Throop,
the head
toxicologist for the Environmental Clipping Group, the
Washington-based
organization that filed the initial ethics complaint with the
National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. "He cites work in his
references, but directly contradicts it in his write-up."

At the heart of the group's claims lies the work of one of Bigass'
doctoral
students, Elise B. Ballsy. Using Bigass' data, Ballsy came up with a
different set of conclusions-she found that circumcision makes the
risk
of dingleberryism five to seven times higher.

Ballsy's work has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal, a
gold
standard for scientific authenticity. Select portions of her study,
however,
have been publicized by the Environmental Clipping Group.

While HSPM is investigating the allegations, several Harvard
professors
have spoken out in support of their colleague.

Byron Allfukian Jr., a Harvard associate clinical professor and one
of the
foremost experts in penal health policy, called the environmental
groups'
claims "ridiculous" and "illogical," saying that Bigass is a world
leader in
the field and that the results of his seven-year study should be
treated
with respect.

Hmmm... snipping untruths is even easier than cutting and pasting.
What a nice, simple way to send messages.


"hanson" wrote in message
...

"Androcles" wrote
Another no brainer.
A Harvard professor's testimony to the government on the effects of
cutting
off the ends of dicks has inflamed a 60-year-long debate over the
practice's
safety and its place in the mental health scheme- prompting a University
investigation into his work that has garnered nationwide attention.

Chester Bigass, chair of the Genital Health Policy and Epidemiology
Department at the Harvard School of Penile Medicine (HSPM), submitted
written testimony to the National Research Council last year claiming
that
there was no significant link between circumcision and Einstein
dingleberryism, a common but benign form of bigotry particularly
prevalent
in the USA.

Since then, several environmental advocacy groups have questioned the
validity of his research, claiming conflict of interest and outright
deception.

"His conclusion that there is no link is a lie," said Kim Throop, the
head
toxicologist for the Environmental Clipping Group, the Washington-based
organization that filed the initial ethics complaint with the National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. "He cites work in his
references, but directly contradicts it in his write-up."

At the heart of the group's claims lies the work of one of Bigass'
doctoral
students, Elise B. Ballsy. Using Bigass' data, Ballsy came up with a
different set of conclusions-she found that circumcision makes the risk
of dingleberryism five to seven times higher.

Ballsy's work has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal, a gold
standard for scientific authenticity. Select portions of her study,
however,
have been publicized by the Environmental Clipping Group.

While HSPM is investigating the allegations, several Harvard professors
have spoken out in support of their colleague.

Byron Allfukian Jr., a Harvard associate clinical professor and one of
the
foremost experts in penal health policy, called the environmental groups'
claims "ridiculous" and "illogical," saying that Bigass is a world leader
in
the field and that the results of his seven-year study should be treated
with respect.

wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:58 am, jmfbahciv jmfbahciv@aol wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 24, 12:33 pm, American wrote:
Sure, SOME CAPITALISM is based on pure greed..
Most.
But please, PLEASE, don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
Bush has already done that! He had all lkinds of time to fix all kinds
of things. He sat on his ass.
snip

Bull****. He did his job.


If by job you mean wreck the economy and start two wars and finish
none?

Oh, ye of instant gratification and 100% cognitive dissonance.
He didn't start the war.

Yeah, he did us a *JOB* alright. You Republicans

I'm not.

just won't
admit when your own screw up. Apolgizing for Bush makes you look like
a total fool. At least Clinton balance the budget

snort No, he did not. It was bells, whistles, mirrors, and
retroactive taxes.

and didn't wreck the
economy. And the one war he got into he finished

Huh?

and the objectives
were met.

You certainly missed what went on during the 90s.

Sorry, your party is in a shambles because it did it to
itself.

Are your parents better off now than they were in 2001?!

Yes.

Go ask them!
Go ask anyone that is retired and then tell me Bush did his job!


/BAH

Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

jmfbahciv wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:
jmfbahciv wrote:

I said "more interestingly" because most efforts stop and
tidy up after something works. IOW, no more work at finding
something that works. But that may not be the case in a
science lab. It certainly is the case in business.
It's infinite regression...every answer raises more questions and
every time something works, it merely becomes a new building
block in making something else work. The remarkable, wahoo-we-
did-it! success in 2001 is 2009's Student Methodology.
Quite a bit different :-). In business, you get paid for
reproducible results and never get time to write up what
didn't work.

Compliments of my lab notebook, I get to write up what
doesn't work as I go. :-)

Our "lab notebooks" were called project notebooks and were
used only as proof we did all the development ourselves if,
and only if, there was ever a lawsuit. What we wrote
during meetings etc. wasn't supposed to be done on scraps
of paper nor IBM cards but a bound notebook.

If you're real lucky (or smart enough to
plan ahead), you sometimes get to figure out why stuff didn't
work.

Sometimes, however, it's simply not worth the effort...why
didn't that culture re-vivify? Dunno and it's not worth the
time to figure it out, simply grab another and try again.

I understand.

Now,
if you get reproducible failures with something that's worked
in the past, you might need to investigate, but most of the
time simply remaking media or stock solutions can "fix"
things...this is especially true if someone unfamiliar (read:
student) with SOP made them up.

How do you pick the very first critter?


I'm talking mostly about hard/software developement
of computer manufacturers; we only sold the stuff that worked
consistently. Time frames for getting the stuff to work
were a lot shorter than yours.

Well, we're in arenas with different goals, hm?

Right.

I presume
you're in a for-profit setting

Was in. but it was profit.

whereas I'm parked in a for-info
one. Different settings are going to result in different time
frames, yours, being more market driven is going to be more
impatient for useable, marketable results. While we don't
have the luxury of lolly-gagging about, we also don't have a
shareholder pointing a metaphorical gun to our heads asking
what the delay in release is.

Nor paying customer :-).

It's not that we've no pressure,
it's just that's it's a different sort...more self inflicted. :-)

Understood. One of the things the computer biz is missing right
now is the fact that we never wrote up what didn't work and why
it didn't work. Some things didn't "work" because the technology
didn't exist. Other things didn't work because it tried to break
the laws of physics or depended on humans to do the "right"
thing. As a result, I'm seeing many wheels getting reinvented
today.

/BAH

Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

jmfbahciv wrote:
Fred J. McCall wrote:
jmfbahciv jmfbahciv@aol wrote:
:That's part of the fun....turning noise into quality signal :-).

A pity there are so many netloons working to do the reverse.
Since Ian has decided to become vicious, I'm not going to try with his
posts anymore.

I must have missed that...how do you define "vicious" in
someone who is clearly non compos mentis?

: BTW, why didn't you go after the Marine Bio?
:
:
:No money. Turns out, looking back, I probably would not have
:done anything remarkable in the bio field.

The majority of science is unremarkable...

Oh, I understand that.

tiny facts which,
over time, form building blocks of larger ideas, but the
day to day operation isn't nearly as glamorous as some
people seem to think...

That's the same with developing a computer system.

a fact which I'm reminded of every
time I find myself up to my elbows in dirty glassware or
on the floor peering up into the the bowels of some piece
of non-functioning equipment.

Do you do plumbing in your work?


(Microbio has an additional yuck! factor...it frequently
stinks in the most literal of gag-inducing sense of the
word...Shewanella came by the "putrefaciens" designator
very honestly and some of the Geobacters, when grown
in certain media, smell like blood.

Sounds like farming :-). The words Shewanella and Geobacters
are new to me.

No wonder my daughter
opted for Molecular instead of Micro. :-))


Good for her. Did, or do, you have a lab at home?

/BAH


Deirdre

On Feb 26, 9:13*am, jmfbahciv jmfbahciv@aol wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 25, 7:58 am, jmfbahciv jmfbahciv@aol wrote:
wrote:
On Feb 24, 12:33 pm, American wrote:
Sure, SOME CAPITALISM is based on pure greed..
Most.
But please, PLEASE, don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
Bush has already done that! He had all lkinds of time to fix all kinds
of things. He sat on his ass.
snip

Bull****. *He did his job.

If by job you mean wreck the economy and start two wars and finish
none?

Oh, ye of instant gratification and 100% cognitive dissonance.
He didn't start the war.

Yeah, he did us a *JOB* alright. You Republicans

I'm not.

Sorry, Bush Apologist, then...


just won't
admit when your own screw up. Apolgizing for Bush makes you look like
a total fool. At least Clinton balance the budget

snort *No, he did not. *It was bells, whistles, mirrors, and
retroactive taxes.

So says the RNC and their supporters. Tell me that the economic
numbers today that say we are broke is all bells, whistles, mirrors as
well.


and didn't wreck the
economy. And the one war he got into he finished

Huh?

Kosovo

and the objectives
were met.

You certainly missed what went on during the 90s.

Prosperity and much cheaper gas, houses you could afford. Yeah, really
bad times.

Sorry, your party is in a shambles because it did it to
itself.

Are your parents better off now than they were in 2001?!

Yes.

Mine aren't. I'm glad that they are rich like Bush. We in the middles
class are NOT as well off now as we were before Bush took over as
president.

Go ask them!
Go ask anyone that is retired and then tell me Bush did his job!

/BAH