Valeev is by no means the worst offender

Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

:
:
:kT wrote:
:
: Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:
:
: Ian Parker wrote:
:
: Are you in fact saying that you think NASA is mad?
:
: No, he's saying he thinks _you're_ mad. And I suspect
: there are a lot of folk who think he's right.
:
: Oh, this is rich.
:
: Let's put Ian's 'madness' into a little perspective.
:
:[gibbering elided]
:
: Do you get it now, bitch?
:
ear me, yet _another_ nitwit?
:
:What have any of your political dibblings to do with Ian's
:inability to discuss science in a meaningful manner? From
:under which rock did you and your ADD slither?
:

He's another longtime loon in the sci.space groups, Deirdre. Virtually
everyone sane has killfiled him years ago.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Ian Parker wrote:
:
:3) I doubt whether all of this is about me.
:

It's about you, Ian, despite your paranoid delusions.

:
:True, whatever their
:motives Deirdre and Fred are a dispicable pair. That much cannot de
:denied. Why are they doing this. I don't in fact think the argument is
:with me, it has ceased to be long ago. No, the argument is with the
:new NASA management and also with Obama who has sacked Mick Griffin.
:It is in fact the NASA management that has gone into new technology.
:Promted by leadership from the top.
:

So how do you explain my calling you a loon BEFORE all that? I'm
prescient now?

:
:No, NASA is mad, Obama is mad. They can't however say that in as many
:words. They have to pick on me, or appear to pick on me. That is the
:basic Al-kalb technique.
:

No, Ian. IAN PARKER is a barker, as in 'barking mad'. It's all about
you. Seek help.

:
:Another possibility is that classified infrmation was being discussed
:in the group and their aim is to close the whole thing down.
:

So after making a series of statements as if they are facts, you now
offer "another possibility"?

Paranoid much?

:
:They know
:that if they manage to steer it on a collision course with the NASA
:mainstream it will probably fold. I think it would be a pity if it
:did, but that is the place it is surely heading.
:

You're nuts. This newsgroup and a lot of people in it have been on a
"collision course with the NASA mainstream" for over 20 years. The
newsgroup is still here. NASA has no say on whether it 'folds' or
not, since there's no connection between the two.

What is causing this newsgroup (and Usenet generally) to 'fold' is the
huge number of absolute loonytoons like you who spew reams of insanity
to it, making it less than useful for sane people.

:
:I just don't know.
:

Yeah, we know you don't. And that statement applies to pretty much
any field of endeavour anyone might care to name.

I'm still waiting for your list of publications and presentations,
Ian.

:
:On the surface they are simply ignorant
:individuals. How much biochemistry does Deidre know?
:

Why don't you ask her for her list of published articles? I could
point you to it if you like. It's not that hard to find, if only one
has a clue.

Yes, I know that lets you out, which is why I offered to help.

:
:I don't think that much.
:

We've noticed. However, I would have said you don't think AT ALL.

:
:As I said it was the Honeywell Generator.
:

If you said it, it is almost assuredly wrong.

You repeating yourself doesn't make your delusions have any additional
substance.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Ian claims not to have seen the following, so I thought I'd submit it
again. The very first paragraph demonstrates Ian's ignorance of fuel
cell technologies and it's downhill from there.

Personally, I think Ian claims not to have seen it because if he
admitted to seeing it he would have to respond to the questions raised
in it and he is simply unable to do that.

Ian Parker wrote:
:
:Actually I would have a number od selling pitches. The first of these
:would be Platinum. Mr. Obama - you want green cars. A fuel cell
:demands a platinum catalyst.
:

No it doesn't. Use an alkali anion exchange membrane and replace the
platinum with nickel. What would you like to use your other nine
minutes and forty-five seconds for? I hope whatever it is is better
informed than this.

:
:Lithium - well that powers electronics
:but there ain't enough lithium for cars. Imagine every car in the
:world with a hydrogen fuel cell. Figure too that in a developing world
:there will be many more cars. Is there platinum? I don't think there
:is. What you need therefore is for NASA to be given a priority in
:emergent technology. That priority should be PLATINUM.
:

Asteroid mining is too far out. You need a nearer term goal. There
is also the problem of cost. If you go straight from nothing to
platinum mining in the asteroids you need to show cost recovery
numbers that include all your development costs plus launch costs plus
equipment costs plus....

Now price your platinum. You'll find that there's no way you can sell
it at the prices you'd have to charge for it.

:
:Now asteroids are the richest source of Pt. The abundance on Earth is
:the same, but it is all in the center of the Earth - not very
:accessible. Genetic engineering, nanotech. This approach could help
:you to get it.
:

So might magic and wishing real hard, Ian. Just how does "genetic
engineering, nanotech" help you in getting to the point of asteroid
mining for costs that aren't preposterously higher than those on
earth? You must be specific. That it "could" just doesn't cut any
ice in a real discussion.

What do you need? How does it help? What's the development timeline?
Why is it better than other paths?

And I DON'T mean your usual gibberish about nonexistent technologies.

:
:SSP - can be sold but I think Platinum should be the number one. This
:is what I was hoping someone or other would say. One you have an
:asteroid with galleries (technical mining term) you can then think
:about human spaceflight in the linger term. Galleries give wonderful
:radiation protection.
:

That's not how you'd mine asteroidal platinum, Ian. There wouldn't be
any 'galleries'. What's the radiation flux that far out? Why do you
think you need massive rock shielding to block it?

SSP is closer to practicality than mining platinum in the asteroids
and it isn't quite economically viable, either.

:
:This is what people really should have been saying. I was in fact
:hoping someone else would come out with that before I did.
:

Answer the preceding issues. I think you're obviously wrong, which
you will learn for yourself if you run the numbers involved. I
suspect no one has "come out with that before you did" because they
know that wanting to leap from essentially nothing to platinum mining
in the asteroids is a silly and unworkable idea, no matter what 'magic
technologies' you care to imagine.


--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

kT wrote:

Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

kT wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

kT wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:
Ian's babblings are of NO SIGNIFICANCE.

Why are you even bothering?
Probably because even with all his issues, he's more
interesting than you.
Ok then, you admit Ian is interesting.

You're coming late to the party, kT...I've said that from the
start...his monumental conceit of himself is fascinating. He
rattles on like a parrot on benzadrine, but he never actually
addresses any scientific points made by others...in that, his
avoidance skills are really quite remarkable. When was the
last time you saw someone claiming have a "scientific dis-
cussion" yet ignoring every fact in favour of making it up
as they go along?

Ian _is_ interesting, kT, but for all the wrong reasons.

Crackpotology is indeed interesting, but Ian only has a mild case of
nanobotology. All of his other symptoms are a result of that obsession.

Any port in a storm, kT...there simply aren't that many
crackpots in my world.

Most of us real crackpots have moved on to other more interesting
crackpot ideas. The whole idea of crackpotology is to keep moving,
because it's very large field where crackpot ideas seemingly appear out
of nowhere, only to vaporize into nonsense shortly thereafter, once
actual data and evidence start to appear. It's a useful tool for those
bored with traditional methods of science, but it's only a single tool.

Smart crackpots simply use their nuttiness to discover hidden truths.

That would seem to leave Ian out of the equation...he uses
his to _create_ overt falsifications.

Honestly, if science wasn't fun, the tedium would drive you insane ...

Got _that_ in one. And the pay usually sucks...no one does
this to get rich...but the toys can make up for a lot of tedium
and late hours...at least they have so far.

Deirdre

Hey, Wabie,
I just put your handle into the subject line to get your attention.
Translate, tell us where that expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir"
or "mach doch mal kein Kalb" etc, is used and how it best
translates into English. Thanks
hanson

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"Ian Parker" wrote:
"hanson" wrote
"Ian Parker" wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas aka
Bint Al-kalb wrote:

Ian Parker wrote:
I suspect that the last thing you want is a proper discussion
of the poteial of nanotech. As I said I suspect you were going
with Honeywell. That is a typical Al-kalb technique.
KT is wrong you are not a bitch merely the daughter of one.
- Ian Parker

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... you are catching on, Parker... ahahaha...
The Shemale "macht das Kalb with you"... IOW s/he is
just ****ing with you. So, enjoy it and it will crank him'er.
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

Ian Parker wrote:
der Hund - gender NOT das kalb

hanson wrote:
hahahahaha... der Hund... right... das Kalb.. right.
But the hound, the dog, is NOT a Kalb, a calf.
The neutral "das" is applied in many Germanic languages
to young, not yet sexually active specimens, even to
humans with "das Kind", the child.

Now go across your Chunnel and find out where the
expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir" came from.
It's equivalent to the Anglo's "horse-playing" or " trying to
make a fool out of you" which is what Deirdre Sholto
Douglas - Bint Al-kalb is doing with you... which is why
I said:
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

"Ian Parker" wrote:
"hanson" wrote
"Ian Parker" wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas aka
Bint Al-kalb wrote:

Ian Parker wrote:
I suspect that the last thing you want is a proper discussion
of the poteial of nanotech. As I said I suspect you were going
with Honeywell. That is a typical Al-kalb technique.
KT is wrong you are not a bitch merely the daughter of one.
- Ian Parker

hanson wrote:
.... ahahahaha... you are catching on, Parker... ahahaha...
The Shemale "macht das Kalb with you"... IOW s/he is
just ****ing with you. So, enjoy it and it will crank him'er.
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

Ian Parker wrote:
der Hund - gender NOT das kalb

hanson wrote:
hahahahaha... der Hund... right... das Kalb.. right.
But the hound, the dog, is NOT a Kalb, a calf.
The neutral "das" is applied in many Germanic languages
to young, not yet sexually active specimens, even to
humans with "das Kind", the child.

Now go across your Chunnel and find out where the
expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir" came from.
It's equivalent to the Anglo's "horse-playing" or " trying to
make a fool out of you" which is what Deirdre Sholto
Douglas - Bint Al-kalb is doing with you... which is why
I said:
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

Since a child may be of either gender it make no sense to reference
'him' or 'her' as 'your son' or 'your daughter'. Hence 'das Kind.'
One should be able to say der Kind (the boy) or die Kind (the girl)
to indicate youth and species, but instead it is 'der Junge' and 'das
Madchen', at least according to babelfish.
Nobody puts the cart before the horse literally, only figuratively,
but we do often swap the verb before the noun and versa-vice
(not allowed) when translating.

Oh well... languages are quirky, you big girl's blouse, we all speak in
clichés.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-big3.htm


"Do you want that steak sandwich to go, sir?"
"Huh? Go? Go where?" Is it so rare it walks by itself?
"She means to "take away", you English fool! "
"Well, why didn't she say so? Bloody stupid Americans!"

"Why do you put a 'u' in words like "color" and "honor" "?
(I was actually asked that.)
"We had them first, it's our language, why do you take them out?"

Ebonics:
"That debbie be too skinny".
All the words are English, even the contraction of "debutante",
the language is not. A "debbie" is a black girl behaving like an
"Uncle Tom".



"hanson" wrote in message
...
Hey, Wabie,
I just put your handle into the subject line to get your attention.
Translate, tell us where that expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir"
or "mach doch mal kein Kalb" etc, is used and how it best
translates into English. Thanks
hanson

-----------------------------------------------

"Ian Parker" wrote:
"hanson" wrote
"Ian Parker" wrote:
Deirdre Sholto Douglas aka
Bint Al-kalb wrote:

Ian Parker wrote:
I suspect that the last thing you want is a proper discussion
of the poteial of nanotech. As I said I suspect you were going
with Honeywell. That is a typical Al-kalb technique. KT is wrong you are
not a bitch merely the daughter of one.
- Ian Parker

hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... you are catching on, Parker... ahahaha...
The Shemale "macht das Kalb with you"... IOW s/he is
just ****ing with you. So, enjoy it and it will crank him'er.
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

Ian Parker wrote:
der Hund - gender NOT das kalb

hanson wrote:
hahahahaha... der Hund... right... das Kalb.. right.
But the hound, the dog, is NOT a Kalb, a calf.
The neutral "das" is applied in many Germanic languages to young, not yet
sexually active specimens, even to
humans with "das Kind", the child.

Now go across your Chunnel and find out where the
expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir" came from.
It's equivalent to the Anglo's "horse-playing" or " trying to
make a fool out of you" which is what Deirdre Sholto Douglas - Bint
Al-kalb is doing with you... which is why I said:
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson

On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 03:08:00 GMT, "hanson" wrote:

Hey, Wabie,
I just put your handle into the subject line to get your attention.
Translate, tell us where that expression "macht das Kalb mit Dir"
or "mach doch mal kein Kalb" etc, is used and how it best
translates into English. Thanks
hanson

Swiss.
Switzerland. High mountains. Deep valleys.
Loneliness. Silence. Cattle.
Winds blow.

"Er macht das Kalb"

http://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/...eugen+vor.html


hanson wrote:
... ahahahaha... you are catching on, Parker... ahahaha...
The Shemale "macht das Kalb with you"... IOW s/he is
just ****ing with you. So, enjoy it and it will crank him'er.
Thanks for the laughs guys.... ahahaha... ahahahanson


"Das Mädchen" (the girl) in German a neutrum - neuter.

GOETHE knew better:

"Hab ich als Mädchen sie satt,
dient sie als Knabe mir."

Am I wised up with her (as a girl),
she serves me as a lad.


Have Phun!
w.

Deirdre Sholto Douglas wrote:

kT wrote:
snip

Honestly, if science wasn't fun, the tedium would drive you insane ...

Got _that_ in one. And the pay usually sucks...no one does
this to get rich...but the toys can make up for a lot of tedium
and late hours...at least they have so far.


What I don't understand is why the crackpots avoid all lab work.
The reason to take science classes is to be able to play in the
labs. The lab class times were never long enough.

/BAH

On 22 Feb, 01:21, Deirdre Sholto Douglas
wrote:

Crackpotology is indeed interesting, but Ian only has a mild case of
nanobotology. All of his other symptoms are a result of that obsession.

Any port in a storm, kT...there simply aren't that many
crackpots in my world.

Most of us real crackpots have moved on to other more interesting
crackpot ideas. The whole idea of crackpotology is to keep moving,
because it's very large field where crackpot ideas seemingly appear out
of nowhere, only to vaporize into nonsense shortly thereafter, once
actual data and evidence start to appear. It's a useful tool for those
bored with traditional methods of science, but it's only a single tool.

Smart crackpots simply use their nuttiness to discover hidden truths.

That would seem to leave Ian out of the equation...he uses
his to _create_ overt falsifications.

Honestly, if science wasn't fun, the tedium would drive you insane ...

Got _that_ in one. *And the pay usually sucks...no one does
this to get rich...but the toys can make up for a lot of tedium
and late hours...at least they have so far.

Look the idea of a manned trip to Mars with present technology is the
most crackpot idea of all. Your groung seems to have shifted. Having
discovered that NASA in in fact now (perhaps belatedly, but better
late than never) investing in new technology you are shifting your
ground.

I am not arrogant. I am prepared to listen. Problem is that so far you
have not given anyone anything worth listening to. I don't think
either that you have indended to.

You have talked about nanotechnology - probably in terms of the
Honeywell Buzzword Generator. ff you really want to discuss bio/nano
technology I, and I think other people too would be happy to hear from
you. However that contribution would have been far better made as a
response to my ORIGINAL posting on Kurzweil and NASA's buying into it.
Also the lavatory smearing with which you accompanied it is not
helpful either.

I am though impatient with people who have nothing to contribute and
spend their time smearing.

There is one other feature of the Sngularity University which I think
is important. I think the SU is an important institution even if you
do NOT believe in the Singularity or even in an accelerating future.
As I have said before, it represents a range of technologies. Nanotech
being extremely important. The SU unlike other insitutions is
completly interdisciplinary. Is nanotech biology? Is it Physics? Can
we combine nano physics with biochemistry? These questions I feel are
important.

Above all the work is going on NOW. It is not the far future. Many
applications are in fact the PRESENT. Can NASA benefit? Yes in many
ways, but only if the discoveries are used properly.

There is above all one question we should perhaps be asking ourselves.
What is your position. On the surface you are denser than asteroid
Platinum. You simplyseem to be ignoring what is going on, ignoring
references, completely misconstruing what other people say. Another
view is that you are a bit brighter (still not bright) you are trying
to sabotage the new policy. Why I don't know. Mistaken sense of
layalty for Mick Griffin. He is not worth worriying about.


- Ian Parker