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Carbon Emissions Show Biggest Jump Ever Recorded
"$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto" wrote in message ... Wow! The I guess China as the major emitter better be required to sign-on to any new agreement replacing the useless Kyoto accord, right? I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. But there's no way the solution is a group of self-appointed scientists 'planning' our biosphere like it's some cheap sci-fi plot. The solution is political, not technological. Our societal systems need to mimic the properties of naturally evolving systems. Which finds a way through internal self correcting mechanisms to live within it's means. Properly managed free market democracies best mimic nature. It won't be scientists that save the day, but the mobs of people over the world.rampaging for democracy. Jonathan s |
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On Dec 7, 6:21*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. *Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. How'd we cause it and what do you propose we do? -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn Naw, Jonathan should plan to move to southern Alaska in his old age as their will be too much mud further north. And we will be long and safely gone into the ether of eternity. Trig |
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... "Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. How'd we cause it Thanks for replying My source is NASA, and they claim there's no other plausible explanation for the recent warming. Maybe you should look at this chart. http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ I think NASA's opinion is pretty good for many reasons... "NASA currently has more than a dozen Earth science spacecraft/instruments in orbit studying all aspects of the Earth system (oceans, land, atmosphere, biosphere, cyrosphere." "In 2004, NASA's spending on climate science exceeded all other Federal agencies, combined. NASA spent $1.3 billion on climate science that year, out of a $1.9 billion total." http://climate.nasa.gov/NasaRole/ Your source would be what? ..and what do you propose we do? My post already addressed that question. Jonathan s -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn |
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On Dec 9, 2:11*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Jonathan" wrote: "Fred J. McCall" wrote in message .. . "Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. *Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. How'd we cause it Thanks for replying My source is NASA, and they claim there's no other plausible explanation for the recent warming. Maybe you should look at this chart. http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Prove CO2 is responsible for climate change. *Hell, even show evidence that it is. *The evidence is that atmospheric CO2 concentration LAGS warming, not leads it. NASA says "...most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years." However, the change in temperature IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT through the last decade, despite what CO2 concentrations have done during that same decade and preceding it. Oh, and NASA does *NOT* claim in the cite you gave that "there's no other plausible explanation for recent warming". Perhaps you should learn to read and think? Your source would be what? My source for what? *I didn't make a claim. ..and what do you propose we do? My post already addressed that question. Well, no, it didn't, unless you think 'something' is a definitive action. -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - well things are definetely changing. just look at the wierd weather when global warming floods new york the super wealthy will begin to take notice and action. coming to work in boats and getting their 5 grand a pair shoes wet will force them to do something.. anyone with a aquarium knows if you try keeping too many fish the aquarium becomes unstable and fish start dying.... aquariums have carrying capacity and so may our earth........ |
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On Dec 9, 3:11*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote: well things are definetely changing. just look at the wierd weather Yeah, so? And just by the way, there's ALWAYS been 'weird weather'. *Never heard of the Dust Bowl Days? The sky is falling! *THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!! -- "Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar *territory." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --G. Behn the dust bowl was caused by farming practices at the time, they plowed everything........ when they went back to strips of farm land and strips of native grasses things returned to normal.. |
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In sci.physics Fred J. McCall wrote:
.... Perhaps you should learn to read and think? .... Some form of projection, obviously. -- It has been calculated theoretically that, if there are no other changes in the climate system, a doubling of the atmospheric CO2 concentration would cause less than 1 deg C of surface warming (about 1 deg. F). This is NOT a controversial statement -- it is well understood by climate scientists. (As of 2008, we were about 40% to 45% of the way toward a doubling of atmospheric CO2.) -- Dr Roy W. Spencer, "Global Warming 101", 2008 |
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On Dec 7, 4:31*pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
Our societal systems need to mimic the properties of naturally evolving systems. Which finds a way through internal self correcting mechanisms to live within it's means. The way nature does this, though, is that creatures that are going in the wrong direction die. Properly managed free market democracies best mimic nature. Yes, they do - on one level. Where there is feedback, they mimic nature. Where there is no feedback - such as in the case of environmental pollution, the costs of which are not automatically directly borne by the polluter - they don't. You need the government directly bludgeoning people into not polluting or otherwise not causing externalities to have that part work. To expect otherwise is to put ideology ahead of common sense. John Savard |
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On Dec 7, 7:21*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. *Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. Never mind _his_ reputation. That man-made carbon dioxide emissions have implications for global climate is generally accepted by *the scientific community*. Which means that people who are "sceptical" about global warming belong in the same loony bin with creationists. The details aren't in yet, but the greenhouse effect is hard scientific fact. None the less, there _are_ two sides to this question. It isn't going to do the world any good if China builds up its war machine on burning coal while the Western democracies go back to a simpler time with the energy they can get from wind and solar power. So how do we keep the Western industrialized world strong and free, while preventing global warming? Nuclear power. John Savard |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:00:31 -0800, Quadibloc wrote:
On Dec 7, 7:21Â*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: "Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. Â*Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. Never mind _his_ reputation. That man-made carbon dioxide emissions have implications for global climate is generally accepted by *the scientific community*. It is funny how you idiots always talk about how you know what is or isn't accepted in the scientific community when you don't know ****. First of all, you're making one big bandwagon fallacy. Secondly, your bandwagon fallacy is based on a lie that Al Gore told you. Al Gore, who got a D in "earth science", his only science class. A fallacy based on a laughably false premise. It doesn't get stupider than that. Which means that people who are "sceptical" about global warming belong in the same loony bin with creationists. Non Sequitor. Galileo had a idea that went against the scientific community. Darwin had an idea that went against the scientific community. Einstein (Lorentz & Fitzgarld, really) had an idea that went against the scientific community. Lemaitre had an idea that went against the scientific community. Again, you gibber a silly non-sequitor based on a false premise. The details aren't in yet, but the greenhouse effect is hard scientific fact. Utter bull****. There is no predictive hypothesis; every hypothesis failed to predict the last decade of non cooling. There has been a HUGE amount of evidence that the whole thing is a damned fraud: faked data, data that is altered by computer programs, use of peer review to suppress the real climate science that shows CO2 has little to do with climate change, the boycotting of journals that publish the truth... It's a damned lie! |
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On Dec 9, 6:05*pm, Marvin the Martian wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 09:00:31 -0800, Quadibloc wrote: On Dec 7, 7:21*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote: "Jonathan" wrote: I strongly feel global warming is mostly man-made, and something needs to be done soon. Your 'feeling' doesn't constitute proof. *Hell, given your record for nonsense, it doesn't even constitute reasonable doubt. Never mind _his_ reputation. That man-made carbon dioxide emissions have implications for global climate is generally accepted by *the scientific community*. It is funny how you idiots always talk about how you know what is or isn't accepted in the scientific community when you don't know ****. First of all, you're making one big bandwagon fallacy. Secondly, your bandwagon fallacy is based on a lie that Al Gore told you. Al Gore, who got a D in "earth science", his only science class. A fallacy based on a laughably false premise. It doesn't get stupider than that. Which means that people who are "sceptical" about global warming belong in the same loony bin with creationists. Non Sequitor. Galileo had a idea that went against the scientific community. Darwin had an idea that went against the scientific community. Einstein (Lorentz & Fitzgarld, really) had an idea that went against the scientific community. Lemaitre had an idea that went against the scientific community. Again, you gibber a silly non-sequitor based on a false premise. The details aren't in yet, but the greenhouse effect is hard scientific fact. Utter bull****. There is no predictive hypothesis; every hypothesis failed to predict the last decade of non cooling. There has been a HUGE amount of evidence that the whole thing is a damned fraud: faked data, data that is altered by computer programs, use of peer review to suppress the real climate science that shows CO2 has little to do with climate change, the boycotting of journals that publish the truth... It's a damned lie! You just keep telling yourself that. The nurses will be along soon. What's your name again, so that you can tell them? |
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