GUTH Venus is way too hot for even Bad Astronomy

"Brad Guth" wrote in message
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Unlike our foreign exchange moon that's merely a bit salty and otherwise
physically dark and TBI as well as thermally nasty to your frail DNA,
Venus is still offering more than a toasty hot-foot, though it's from
the inside out:

What we need is a good robotic VL2 outpost, of a viable halo
station-keeping sort of Clarke Station as our next ISS platform that's
good for the safe keeping of a crew for at least 19 months at a time.
Technically, I believe this task is affordably obtainable, possibly even
via Robert Bigelow’s POOF.

As I'd thoughtfully shared so many times before, that for other than
establishing my LSE-CM/ISS before China or Russia does, notions of
terraforming the moon (though technically doable) is a seriously bad
sort of idea, especially when we've got the ready made-to-order likes of
our not so old Venus cruising so nearby, that's merely a little extra
surface toasty in spots but otherwise perfectly good to go as is.
Fortunately, Venus needs no stinking terraforming, that is unless you're
another certified village idiot moron like our resident LLPOF warlord(GW
Bush).

Because you're all so comfy cozy into play acting as though Venus is so
need-to-know or else hocus-pocus taboo, and otherwise you're all so
clearly mainstream snookered and thus easily dumbfounded by way of all
this; In spite of your own perpetrated gauntlet of having stayed the
course of those silly old thousand lights, here's some old but updated
news you can all use to blow off each of your socks, as well as to blow
off your status quo brown noses with.

I've recently learned that supposedly Earth has been getting rid of
roughly 78~79 millijoules/m2 (with a surface area of 5.112e14 m2 = 40e12
J), in that subsequently this amount of energy represents a sustained
minimum/conservative core loss of 40e12 clean joules. I tend to believe
it's worth at least twice if not 2.5 fold that amount, but that's just
my ongoing village idiot honest swag of deductive thinking a little
outside the box, as to considering what the extra amount(s) of inside
and out tidal induced energy has to contribute. As to further think,
what the hell would we ever do with so many extra terajoules worth of
essentially renewable and clean energy?

Venus at 2625 ~ 2650 j/m2 of average solar influx
(global net solar influx = 132 j/m2)
Surface geothermal energy: 21 j/m2
Surface area: 4.6e14 m2
Mass: 4.87x1024 kg
Density: 5.24 g/cm3
Local gravity: 8.87 m/s2
Escape velocity: 10.3 km/s
Albedo: 0.75 ~ 0.85

Just for sharing off another lose cannon worthy shot in the dark;
At an average surface geothermal radiant heat loss of merely 10 j/m2 =
4.6e15 joules of available core energy would have to exist (that's
roughly half the reported worth of the surplus radiated surface energy
of 21 j/m2 as having been obtained by our previous probes). By way of
any planetology standards, that's absolutely impressive energy at even
10% that amount.

Fortunately, according to the existing and ongoing research of others
(including the ESA virtis / venus express mission w/o PFS), the Venusian
solar influx/radiative energy balance has been running at a measured
loss of providing roughly 15% more energy than having been solar
contributed, which I tend to believe has been a good planetology thing
to know and appreciate as to why Venus is not only currently so toasty
but gradually getting itself cooler by each extremely long
daytime/nighttime season.

Energy flux absorbed by the Earth = 1370 x (1-0.3) / 4 = 239.7 W/m2
Energy flux absorbed by the Venus = 2650 x (1-0.8) / 4 = 132.5 W/m2

(a nifty looking document, but slower than hell if not impossible to
load)
http://planetologia.elte.hu/atlasz/6...vironments.pdf

There's lots of other interesting though otherwise perfectly honest
deductive interpretations as soon becoming a bit outdated information
about the Venus atmosphere from John Ackerman.
http://www.firmament-chaos.com/papers/fvenuspaper.pdf

A whole lot better though willfully incomplete cache of info, and of
what there is to behold is somewhat NASA and/or Old Testament skewed in
order to suit their faith-based 'Earth only' mindset as to intelligent
life, and to otherwise support their one and only greenhouse theory as
representing their one and only viable basis for why Venus is so
freaking hot (too bad the regular laws of physics nor the best available
replicated science do not agree with that silly greenhouse analogy).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venera13Surface.jpg

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/2002...reenhouse.html
"Even though Venus receives more solar energy than the Earth is, its
effective temperature is colder. This is due to the high albedo on
Venus (0.8): 80% of solar radiation is reflected to space and only 20%
is absorbed by the surface."

Actually it's getting primarily diverted and/or absorbed and rather
nicely transferred about by that extremely thick atmosphere of mostly
dry CO2 and a few hundred spare teratonnes worth of those acidic clouds,
and otherwise the solar influx is extensively moderated by the robust
composite layer of S8, and damn little (perhaps 0.015% of 2650 j/m2) of
the visible spectrum ever directly reaches the surface by means much
other than atmospheric conductive/convection (at least that's exactly
what our own and of those Russian probes have always been telling us).

On a clear and sunny terrestrial day that's existing right here on good
mother Earth, we're looking at better than 800 j/m2 (William Mook having
recently specified 62% as 850 j/m2) that's capable of directly impacting
our deck, and that's roughly 60% of the total solar influx which manages
to contain nearly all of the incoming IR spectrum, and that's not to
mention the secondary/recoil worth of whatever's unavoidably derived
from our extremely large and nearby moon's worth of IR/FIR, nor is there
anything tidal related as forced along by the 2e20 joules of the ongoing
orbital existence of our having that pesky moon to deal with as of the
last ice age. Now that's what I'd call greenhouse warming potential
that's nailing us from our badly polluted top down, especially effective
as our soot and various complex gas byproducts having polluted damn near
every atmospheric and terra m3 in sight, and then some.

In other words, Venus on its far outside/exterior is technically upon
average cooler than Earth's thin and relatively IR transparent
atmospheric realm (Venus being especially cooler by way of their
extended season of nighttime with the exception of the 21 j/m2 of
radiated surface energy), though upon average roughly 132 j/m2 of solar
influx gets absorbed by the entire global environment of Venus (mostly
accommodated within its robust atmosphere that otherwise reflects ~80%),
whereas there's actually a measured 153 j/m2 of nighttime radiated
energy to deal with.

It's all pretty much the killer geothermal realm of its smoking hot
surface of 21 j/m2, along with the impressive atmospheric thermal
contribution that we have to worry about if we're ever planing to walk
upon that toasty orb, getting especially hot-spot/zone nasty in many
geothermal locations of active lava, mud/plastic flows of raw minerals
or worse yet if near or forbid situated upon any of those pesky
geothermal forced S8/CO2 gas vents that should by rights be literally
hotter than hell, and going like a bat out of hell as having been kindly
pointed out to us by John Ackerman.

Of course, so much unlike our wet environment with its relatively clear
and thus solar transparent atmospheric realm of Earth, whereas so much
of the solar IR influx directly reaches our surface, as opposed to the
Venus surface environment being rather well shielded by the fully
clouded atmosphere that also includes a substantial reflective internal
boundary layer of thermal and IR spectrum isolating S8, whereas the
actual solar influx reaching the surface via direct sunlight is thereby
extensively IR filtered/moderated long before reaching that surface, and
otherwise the visual spectrum isn't hardly worth 39 j/m2 at high noon
(the average illumination being at something far less while obviously on
the sunny side, as otherwise of what's mostly local near-IR and IR/FIR
illuminated within their extended season of nighttime), and to be
certain there's hardly any significant amount of incoming solar energy
that's going to be of the IR spectrum.

This leaves us with all of those Venusian departing boat loads of
geothermal energy, of roughly 21 j/m2 that's primarily responsible for
the vast bulk of why it's so freaking toasty on that newish planetology
active deck. Of course, in physics that's a darn good thing to realize
because, via those regular laws of physics is where all sorts of nifty
alternatives for extracting from such renewable energy while you're
sequestered upon Venus becomes doable, making it entirely possible to
sustain as much ice cold beer and even a few indoor ice skating rinks if
you'd like.

Too bad this continually naysay and otherwise anti-think-tank of our
status quo Usenet, that's formulated from within the one and only actual
hell on Earth, that for some pathetic reason(s) can't manage to pull its
infomercial spewing butt-cheeks of its very own faith-based load of
disinformation spewing brains out of the nearest space-toilet,
especially if it's having anything to do with Venus, much less with our
very own physically dark and nearby orbiting mascon of our otherwise GW
worthy moon, that's so unusually massive in its ratio to Earth.
-
Brad Guth


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Art Deco wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:

I've recently learned

False statement.

LIAR!

Art Deco

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Art Deco wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:

I've recently learned

False statement.

LIAR!

Art Deco

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Pretty dishonest, jack.

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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

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wrote:

Art Deco wrote:
Brad Guth wrote:

I've recently learned

False statement.

LIAR!

Art Deco

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Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

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Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

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Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.29.144.41

Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

With emphasis on the "nearly".

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.29.144.41

Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

With emphasis on the "nearly".

Well, with such a low baseline to begin with....

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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.29.144.41

Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

With emphasis on the "nearly".

Well, with such a low baseline to begin with....

....the SNR is quite low.

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.29.144.41

Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

With emphasis on the "nearly".

Well, with such a low baseline to begin with....

...the SNR is quite low.

I suppose frooty needs a pet on board his spaceship, so keeps HJ around
to fetch sticks...

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"(we) whupped yer incredible arse bigtime" = "we were asked a lot of
unanswerable questions we decided to avoid answering and kept repeating the
same old discredited nonsense".

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Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:

In article ,
Art Deco wrote:

Art Deco

Now who else has an IP address of

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.29.144.41

Pretty dishonest, jack.

Clockbrain ain't too bright.

Hence his attraction to the saucerheads. Means he finds himself nearly
amongst equals.

With emphasis on the "nearly".

Well, with such a low baseline to begin with....

...the SNR is quite low.

I suppose frooty needs a pet on board his spaceship, so keeps HJ around
to fetch sticks...

Somehow I would imagine that they all fetch sticks.