|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
1) turn China and India and South America into rabid self aggrandising
capitalists, in the manner of the West, but more so, turn all of their citizens into profligately wasteful materialistic fashion victims, just like we are, but more so 2) raise their fashion sense into an art form where they will throw away nearly new items en-mass, just cos they are uncool 3) make the items they throw away out of carbon based compounds sourced from atmospheric carbon (and some fossil carbon to preserve the status quo) make sure the manufacturing process uses "clean" energy 4) ensure that the discarded items en-mass are NOT bio-degradable and are NOT recyclable - make sure that bio-degradable and recyclable are dirty, unfashionable words 5) sequester the discarded items in mines or at the bottom of the ocean in such a way as to make sure they do not break down into CO2, and so that we never see them again - perhaps even turn them into space habitats If all the worlds poor consume just one tonne of carbon each in this way, then they will dispose of approx. 5 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, maybe more In other words, make the inevitable waste products of progress and overpopulation work to solve the problem of global warming. And make all our mistakes from the Industrail Revolution on, the saviour of us all... too easy remember - recycling and bio-degradable are BAD - waste and planned obsolescence are GOOD |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
Which goes to show the only thing which will save us is technology, and
not things like Kyoto. But what Bush et al. miss, is that Kyoto is a strong driver for technology development, which is one reason why the USA is so far behind in most environmental technologies. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
some would say that Kyoto is a VERY cynical play by the Japanese to deny the
tiger economies the same opportunity Japan has/had to develop. Japanese industry is in no small part responsible for Global Warming and greenhouse gases. They have reaped a lot of benefit from explosive development, perhaps so much that their contribution to global warming and greenhouse gases should be calculated retro-actively. Kyoto is an arrogant attempt to cover their tracks and offset blame (and costs) to other nations. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
Blagoo - you are a clueless idiot who believes very stupid and
counter-productive things because you have no clue how things really work. lol You are more intent on blaming others rather than seeking solutions all can support going forward - which perpetuates and expands our problems as a species. Global warming will be reversed but only if we can figure out how to capture and make use of solar energy cheaply enough to compete in the market with oil, and then use this new energy source to increase our industrial system to include everyone on Earth while displacing oil use. The resulting rising living standards along with rising technical capacities will allow us to reverse all causes of global warming and stabilize our environment for the long-term. Global warming is caused partly by rising CO2 levels that increase the thickness of the blanketing gases in our atmosphere. We extract carbon compounds from deep within the Earth - carbon which represents stored solar energy over very long periods - and burn them, and the carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere, removed by natural processes that can't keep up with the industrial processes pumping them out. By capturing solar energy cheaply and on a large enough scale, and using that energy to extract carbon-dioxide from the atmosphere and re-create hydrocarbon fuels to sell, we can create an industrial process that gives us control over the carbon-dioxide level of the atmosphere to drive it wherever we need to have it. Global warming is also caused by increasing luminosity of the Sun itself. Hydrogen fuses into Helium at the Sun's center, and the Helium, being heavier than Hydrogen, falls to the center and begins to fuse into heavier elements as well. Since Helium fuses at a higher temperature than Hydrogen, the Sun gets brighter and brighter. In 900 million years the Sun will be so bright, that if nothing is done, the Earth will be uninhabitable. NASA scientists have proposed a solution to this problem, use a series of specially constructed, tiny atomic bombs set off in sequence so as to divert a large asteroid into an orbit that swings by Earth and Jupiter every 3,000 years - the asteroid is slowed by the Earth but the Earth is sped up slightly by the asteroid - which kicks it into a slightly higher orbit. The asteroid swings by Jupiter, which speeds up the asteroid, but slows Jupiter slightly - restoring the kinetic energy given the Earth - in effect taking it from Jupiter. Since Jupiter is 100,000s times larger than the Earth, its orbit is barely affected, but over three billion years, the Earth is kicked into higher orbits, so that its temperature remains constant, despite the increasing luminosity of the Sun. The interesting part about this is that we will have stabilized the Earth's environment for nearly 3 billion more years - and once the orbital parameters are set up, the whole system need not be tampered with. So, its something we can leave to posterity even if we're not around to tend to it! The GAIA principle says that life responds to challenges the environment throws at it. Well, in respnose to the increasing luminosity of the sun, life created photosynthesis which took CO2 out of the air and created carbon compounds with it. Then geology took that carbon and sequestered it in pools of liquid hydrocarbons deep within the Earth. This moderated the rising temperature by reducing CO2 levels. Rising oxygen levels gave rise to animals, and animals gave rise to intelligence, and intelligence made use of stored energy to drive the first generation of industrial development for Earth. The resulting industrial intelligence observed its effect on the environment the release of carbon stores had as well as the fact that the Sun is getting brighter, and devised a means to preserve life well beyond the 900 million years left to us naturally. Sweet. But, most importantly, humanity is at a cross-roads today. We will either fulfill our destiny as saviors of the world - long term, or we will die, and another will take our place. We will either succumb to the coming die off and a reduction in our capacity to do things, or we will decide to face the challenges before us and do someting positive about them and fulfill our destiny nature has for intelligence. This has nothing to do with the lifestyle choices of the richest of us. It has more to do with fundamental choices we have in relating to our resources and our environment and each other and tapping into the inner knowing about what we are here for and why we have this tremendous intellectual and technical capacity in the first place. Science and technology can make of this world a wonderous land of plenty and abundance for all. Or, it can make of this world a radioactive wasteland, or a global version of Beruit - before the final end of our tenure on Earth. It all depends on how we choose to relate to the world, and to one another. Once we have our heads on straight as to how we need to relate to one another and the world, then our success depends on whether or not we focus on the hard work ahead to to fulfill our vision. Both require work and sacrifice - whether we're at war with one another and the environment, or whether we promote one another and the environment, doesn't change the fact that either choice requires hard work and sacrifice - but in the end, choosing to promote each other's dreams and the environment in which we live pays greater dividends for all - even if we're selfish in our outlook. After all, a millionaire in the Congo, where there is much poverty, is far wealthier than his neighbors than a millionaire in NYC, where nearly everyone is a millionaire it seems! But, which offers the better quality of life? NYC obviously! BECAUSE everyone is wealthier. You cannot receive excellent medical care or go to a thrilling Broadway play in the Congo - BECAUSE a millionaire is so rare! Clearly we should strive therefore to make of the whole world a wealthy and wonderous place as possible to enrich us all - even the wealthiest of us. And technology and the world allows this sort of thing to occur - if we're creative enough to meet the challenges. Still, people will ask, can we do this and still honor our commitment to the environment? The answer is YES, WE CAN - IF WE TAP INTO EXTRATERRESTRIAL RESOURCES TO MEET OUR GROWING INDUSTRIAL NEEDS. The first of these is energy, and solar energy is the answer to our shortages and problems with current industrial energy sources. Solar energy is unique in that it arrives daily from deep in space without any intervention from us! But industrial use of solar energy can only be achieved by creating technical innovations that reduce the cost of solar energy to be competitive with existing oil supplies. Here is how things will develop over time; 1) NOW -Terrestrial Solar - AUGMENT OIL AND EVENTUALLY DISPLACE IT by covering 90,000 sq km of land in deserts with low-cost solar collectors to capture sunlight, and take water and CO2 out of the air and make hydrocarbon fuels, which are then sold to the existing energy markets - this will supply ALL the current energy needs of the planet and make the extraction of oil and coal and nuclear fuels obsolete. To be competitive with $60 per barrel oil this must all be done, including all balance of systems costs, for about $0.72 per peak watt. If we can achieve $0.36 per peak watt, we can halve the cost of oil, and establish conditions for rapid economic growth worldwide, AND reduce CO2 levels all at the same time. This is achieved by using concentrated PV cells and using the intermittent DC electricity to electrolyze water into H2 and O2 - releasing the bulk of the O2 - and combining the H2 with CO2 to produce CH4 and then polymerizing the CH4 into longer chain hydrocarbon molecules like propane, butane, and octane. Then, sell the resulting hydrocarbons to pay for the whole operation. Also produced in this process are fertilizers by combining H2 with N2 in the air, and clean water distilled from the air all at competitive costs - generating 5 trillion watts continuously, and $55 trillion per year for 7.1 billion people rising at 0.5% per year in numbers, whilst growing at 9% per year in income. 2) 2032 - Expanded Terrestrial Solar - THE HYDROGEN ECONOMY - will expand the solar collector systems located in all major deserts - to 500,000 sq km while we convert to hydrogen based industrial processes where possible. This will allow all people everywhere to live at increased levels of abundance. Large quantities of low-cost water and fertilizers increase food production efficiency, large quantities of low-cost and clean fuels, increase rate of food production while lowering costs, reducing the amount of money spent on food, while food quality and volume increases, the spare income fuels an expansion of economic activity worldwide. Total output 60 trillion watts and $700 trillion per year for 8 billion people with slowing population growth, with economy accelerating - growing at 12% per year - sustained by innovations in robotics and low cost energy. 3) 2062 - Space based Solar - BEAMED ENERGY FROM SPACE - collect energy in space and beam it by controlled multiple laser beams to users on the Earth - living standards correlate with per capita energy use. This is likely to continue as living standards rise beyond their current levels. In the 20th century mass production and technology gave the world wheels -with a huge increase in productivity and living standards. No longer are people isolated physically from one another. In the 21st century automated production and abundant energy will give the world wings. Micromachine based propulsive skins wrapped around simple airframes, controlled by GPS guided computers, and powered by laser beams from space, will make the personal VTOL/Ballistic aircraft possible. Needing no fuel, or human guidance, these highly automated craft will unite the world in a single economic and residential entity - and eliminate the need for roads and cities and other intrusions on the environment. Increasing efficiencies of space based systems generating all optical power links will permit 1 quadrillion watts of continuous energy production from 1.2 million sq kilometers of powersat collector area which generates $20 quadrillion per year for 8 billion people - with rapidly rising living standards and vanishing work week as robots take over all economic tasks. Average income level is $200,000 PER MONTH in today's dollars. In this sort of economic climate large scale planetary and interplanetary projects become possible, these include over this same time period; a) SOLAR SYSTEM RESOURCE SURVEY - survey all asteroids in the solar system, capture the richest of these and place them as artificial moons into polar orbit around the Earth - then, send up remotely operated factories to mine them and return the materials to Earth by rail gun and GPS guided terminal rocket - all must be done at a cost of less than mining and shipping the products on Earth. If done cheaply and efficiently enough, all Earth based mines won't be able to compete and all extractive industries will be shut down on Earth - supplanted by space based resources - just as in the case of solar power b) RESOURCE CAPTURE AND USE expand the orbital factories to include production on orbit using solar power captured on orbit - energy can be beamed to earth orbiting asteroids from earth orbiting powersats just as easily as energy can be beamed to Earth's surface. So, with remotely operated factories, or totally automated factories, its very feasible to expand the orbiting factories to include finished goods and even consumer goods delivered anywhere they're purchased to any point on Earth. This must be done more cheaply than building and operating a factory on Earth. c) FOOD AND FIBER - construct pressure vessels and spin them to produce artificial gravity and grow food and forests in the resulting artificial environment - if the vessel is built for less cost per unit area than farmland, and the farm and forest can be tended more cheaply than farms and forests on the ground - then, we can grow all the food and fiber we need in space, and export the resulting materials directly to where they're needed on Earth. This can also supply the growing space based industries, so, only consumer goods are exported to Earth. This ends the use of farmlands and commercial forestry on Earth. With the end of all energy, mining, processing, assembly, farming and commercial forestry on Earth - and its removal and expansion of these processes on orbit - the Earth's biosphere will no longer be disturbed by industrial development. With universal access to ballistic transport powered by solar pumped laser beam from space, and with global wireless broadband, and with global direct delivery from orbit, the need for roads and even cities is eliminated as humans spread across the world in low density held together by a tenuous network of space based technology. Higher living standards translate first to higher population growth rates, until VERY high living standards are encountered, which ultimately reverses population growth (the US, Europe and Japan for example have shrinking populations) - so, in this world we're imagining, not only do none of the things people do adversely impact the environment, not only are they spread far and wide across the biosphere, but over time, there are fewer of them. Finally, increasing energy levels and wealth mean that the cost of travelling to space are within reach of everyman. That means that the pressure vessels used for the commercial farms and forests of the modern world will be adapted to housing growing numbers of people who choose to live in space. The exodus of people from Earth will accelerate the decline of humans on Earth and their impact on Earth. With diminishing number of ever longer lived humans, there are growing number of superhuman intelligences created by AI - and taking all manner of robotic forms. These AI lacking all will-to-power are not directly competitive with humans, but serve as an extension of human will to power and expand the range and depth of human affairs - spreading across the solar system, augmented by superhuman intellect in large number fed by abundant solar energy and off-world resources every human will have, by today's standards, nearly godlike powers to shape and control their environment in any way they choose on artificial worldlets of their own making. |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
Global warming will be reversed but only if we can figure out how to capture and make use of solar energy cheaply enough to compete in the market with oil, and then use this new energy source to increase our industrial system to include everyone on Earth while displacing oil use. The resulting rising living standards along with rising technical capacities will allow us to reverse all causes of global warming and stabilize our environment for the long-term. when dickhead? the solution needs to be started now sea levels are already rising there is a lag of at least 100 years in the hysteresis curve Global warming is caused partly by rising CO2 levels that increase the thickness of the blanketing gases in our atmosphere. We extract carbon compounds from deep within the Earth - carbon which represents stored solar energy over very long periods - and burn them, and the carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere, removed by natural processes that can't keep up with the industrial processes pumping them out. By CO2 concs were an order of magnitude higher in times past - where do you think the fecundity that allowed the production of fossil fuel deposits originated? The big issues are loss of arable land and existing population centers in the SHORT TERM - over the next 100 - 1000 years the CO2 itself shouldn't cause a thermal runaway ala venus unless plant growth is prevented from taking advantage of the abundance of CO2. which it probably won't since a certain overabundant species has destroyed a lot of the forests that could actively sequester CO2 as cellulose... capturing solar energy cheaply and on a large enough scale, and using that energy to extract carbon-dioxide from the atmosphere and re-create hydrocarbon fuels to sell, we can create an industrial process that gives us control over the carbon-dioxide level of the atmosphere to drive it wherever we need to have it. nothing so far can beat photosynthesis in terms of a large scale process you are talking about unfortunately nothing so far can beat the large corporations in destroying the largest utilisers of photosynthesis - the forests Global warming is also caused by increasing luminosity of the Sun itself. Hydrogen fuses into Helium at the Sun's center, and the Helium, being heavier than Hydrogen, falls to the center and begins to fuse into heavier elements as well. Since Helium fuses at a higher temperature than Hydrogen, the Sun gets brighter and brighter. In 900 million years the Sun will be so bright, that if nothing is done, the Earth will be uninhabitable. NASA scientists have proposed a solution to this problem, use a series of specially constructed, tiny atomic bombs set off in sequence so as to divert a large asteroid into an orbit that swings by Earth and Jupiter every 3,000 years - the asteroid is slowed by the Earth but the Earth is sped up slightly by the asteroid - which kicks it into a slightly higher orbit. The asteroid swings by Jupiter, which speeds up the asteroid, but slows Jupiter slightly - restoring the kinetic energy given the Earth - in effect taking it from Jupiter. Since Jupiter is 100,000s times larger than the Earth, its orbit is barely affected, but over three billion years, the Earth is kicked into higher orbits, so that its temperature remains constant, despite the increasing luminosity of the Sun. The interesting part about this is that we will have stabilized the Earth's environment for nearly 3 billion more years - and once the orbital parameters are set up, the whole system need not be tampered with. So, its something we can leave to posterity even if we're not around to tend to it! what a load of **** - it is the next 90 years you need to worry about! the life cycle of a main sequence g type dwarf is irrelevant to this discussion The GAIA principle says that life responds to challenges the environment throws at it. Well, in respnose to the increasing luminosity of the sun, life created photosynthesis which took CO2 out of the air and created carbon compounds with it. Then geology took that carbon and sequestered it in pools of liquid hydrocarbons deep within the Earth. This moderated the rising temperature by reducing CO2 levels. Rising oxygen levels gave rise to animals, and animals gave rise to intelligence, and intelligence made use of stored energy to drive the first generation of industrial development for Earth. The resulting industrial intelligence observed its effect on the environment the release of carbon stores had as well as the fact that the Sun is getting brighter, and devised a means to preserve life well beyond the 900 million years left to us naturally. Sweet. life only exploits niches blah blah blah instead of regurgitating a text book, why not suggest more concrete methods, even if they are nutty I have thrown out some proposals - you have just shot regurgitated **** out of a textbook. Come up with an original thought, or **** off. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
BlagooBlanaa wrote:
1) turn China and India and South America into rabid self aggrandising capitalists, in the manner of the West, but more so, turn all of their citizens into profligately wasteful materialistic fashion victims, just like we are, but more so 2) raise their fashion sense into an art form where they will throw away nearly new items en-mass, just cos they are uncool 3) make the items they throw away out of carbon based compounds sourced from atmospheric carbon (and some fossil carbon to preserve the status quo) make sure the manufacturing process uses "clean" energy 4) ensure that the discarded items en-mass are NOT bio-degradable and are NOT recyclable - make sure that bio-degradable and recyclable are dirty, unfashionable words 5) sequester the discarded items in mines or at the bottom of the ocean in such a way as to make sure they do not break down into CO2, and so that we never see them again - perhaps even turn them into space habitats If all the worlds poor consume just one tonne of carbon each in this way, then they will dispose of approx. 5 billion tonnes of CO2 per year, maybe more In other words, make the inevitable waste products of progress and overpopulation work to solve the problem of global warming. And make all our mistakes from the Industrail Revolution on, the saviour of us all... too easy remember - recycling and bio-degradable are BAD - waste and planned obsolescence are GOOD Stop reacting to chicken brain science. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
A butt ****ing dumb hillbilly named NOG wrote:
Stop reacting to chicken brain science. And continue to point out butt ****ing dumb hillbillies like NOG and BlagooBlanaa for what they are, butt ****ing dumb Americans! http://cosmic.lifeform.org |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
BlagooBlanaa wrote:
some would say that Kyoto is a others would point out that you are an obvious crackpot. You lied on your sig, therefore you are a liar. http://cosmic.lifeform.org |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
"Alex Terrell" wrote:
:Which goes to show the only thing which will save us is technology, and :not things like Kyoto. Right so far. :But what Bush et al. miss, is that Kyoto is a strong driver for :technology development, No, what it does is divert resources artificially, which is generally a net lose. :which is one reason why the USA is so far :behind in most environmental technologies. Uh, that turns out not to be the case. Please list the Kyoto signatories that are actually hitting their CO2 targets. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shaw |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
how to save the world from global warming
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:33:29 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J.
McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: :which is one reason why the USA is so far :behind in most environmental technologies. Uh, that turns out not to be the case. Please list the Kyoto signatories that are actually hitting their CO2 targets. Canada threw in the towel the other day. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Scientist warns that public knowledge of space engineering fixes for global warming may be undesirable, But never mentions the benefits of H2-PV | H2-PV | Policy | 0 | March 6th 06 11:04 AM |
Exploiting the Moon and saving the Earth | Space Cadet | Policy | 202 | December 16th 05 10:57 PM |
Global Warming? Not to worry. George knows best. | [email protected] | Astronomy Misc | 0 | December 11th 05 01:02 AM |
CO2 and global warming | freddo411 | Astronomy Misc | 314 | October 20th 04 09:56 PM |
UFO Activities from Biblical Times (Long Text) | Kazmer Ujvarosy | UK Astronomy | 3 | December 25th 03 10:41 PM |