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Old October 17th 17, 05:45 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy[_2_]
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Learn to snip.

Mike Collins wrote in

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JGutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Learn to snip.

Mike Collins wrote in
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ete rnal-september.org:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Mike Collins wrote in
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s. ete rnal-september.org:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
You claim the technology exists. Name a company that is
making a car that can drive itself on roads that car maker
hasn't, themselves, mapped, in the dark, in the raid, past
an accident with a cop directing traffic.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't exist,
or STFU.

Dumbass.

Unlike some I don’t do any thinking with my arse. I
find the brain is better for that purpose.

Given that you're reduced to outright lying, and your
previous link didn't even try to address most of what's been
mentioned, I can't be bothered to follow any more pointless
links.

It's a simple question, retard:

What company manufacturs Level 5 capable cars today? A
company name. It's easier for you to type that than it was to
copy and psste a bunch of links. But you didn't, because you
can't.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't exist, or
STFU.



https://www.nvidia.co.uk/self-driving-cars/hd-mapping/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...2990431/See-wo
rl d-
eyes-CAR-High-resolution-maps-reveal-self-driving-vehicles-ra
pi dl y-navigate-busy-roads.html

https://techcrunch.com/2017/05/30/th...-self-driving-
ca r- sees-the-road/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...e-maps-future-
of -s elf-driving-cars/




Mike Collins wrote in
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
wrote:
Mike Collins wrote in
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
wrote:
Mike Collins wrote in
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om @n ew s. ete rnal-september.org:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
wrote:
Chris L Peterson wrote in
:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 12:26:25 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
Carrying Sissy wrote:

Chris L Peterson wrote in
news
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 23:19:09 -0700 (PDT),
"Chris.B" wrote:

"Micro" electric cars might offer some advantages
but are still vehicle sized. So they are still a
waste of space on grid-locked city roads and
still need parking places.

I expect that within a few decades at the most,
the only vehicles allowed inside the denser parts
of cities (and indeed, maybe everywhere else as
well) will be fully automated. There is no
gridlock with such a system.

You're smoking the Kool-Aid again.

When you have 1,000,000 cars in a system designed
for 500,000 (or, in the case of LA, 20,000,000 cars
in a system designed for 500,000), there is
*always* gridlock.

No there isn't.

Yes. There is. There is a maximum capacity for any
road system.

You can put 10 or 20 times more vehicles on the
roads, and never experience gridlock.

It may well be higher for self driving cars for the
same number of square feet of pavement, but there's
still a maximum capacity. And when you exceed it, you
will have gridlock. Unless, of course, being a
retard, you have redefined "gridlock" to mean
something that normal people will point and laugh at
you for.

Cars can drive a few
centimeters apart, at higher speeds than current
driving allows, with optimized routes, considerably
reduced wait times at intersections, and
synchronized in all directions.

Aside from your insane, retarded belief that self
driving cars will *never* *ever* suffer mechanical
breakdowns, resulting in massive, many car pileups
because everything is moving 90 miles an hour at
centimeters distance, there is still a maximum
capacity to the road system. Places like Los Angeles
are *so* far behind in keeping that capacity up with
demand that no amount of automation will keep demand
from exceeding capacity.

Hint: We have cars that are, literally, inches apart
*now*, for hours at a time, and waiting lines to
enter the freeway (there are trafic lights at the on
ramps to control this - you don't get on until
someone gets off somewhere down the road). It is
literally impossible to put more cars on the road
than that. Automation might make them move faster -
until there's a many car pileup with dozens dead,
anyway - but there are still more people than will
physically fit on the freeways at one time come rush
hour (which lasts 3-4 hours in the morning, and
usually longer in the afternoon).

Less, perhaps, with a system that has no
ego drive narcissism and road rage, but once you
exceed the capacity of the system, there will
certianly be gridlock.

Why would you exceed the capacity of the system?
Cities already have the roads necessary to carry far
more traffic than there's likely to ever be demand
for.

You're smoking more Kool-Aid again, I see. No, many
cities have nowhere near the capacity to handle the
amount of traffic *now*. Average speed on the 405
freeway in Los Angeles is less than 10 mph for six
hours a day, every weekday, and often on weekends,
too. Assuming there's no accidents. If there is one,
it's more like the 405 parking lot.

And there is *no* *possible* *way* to *ever* build
enough freeways to handle the demand *now*. Not when
freeways cost over a billion dollars a mile, and take
a decade or more worth of lawsuits to even break
ground.

You are, literally, hallucinating a world you'd like
to live in, to the point of being incapable of
interacting the real world.

This is, of course, not unusual for you.

And then you have
the additional gridlock of having damaged cars
blocking traffic.)

Rare. The accident rate will drop to near zero
(which will be one factor pushing the adoption of
such technology), and the hardware is very reliable
(and in most cases won't fail catastrophically).

Keep smoking that Kool-Aid, son. Auto accidents are
caused by mechanical failures now, and always will
be. Adding in computer automation will not eliminate
that.

Most accidents are caused by human error.

Plus, of course, no one alive today will live long
enough to see completely automated cars. The
technology isn't even *close*, despite the marketing
claims of companies looking for government subsidies
or investment dollars for a product they know thye
have no idea how to produce. (People like Elon Musk).
There isn't a car in existance today that can drive
itself safetly on streets that haven't been mapped
down to a resolution measured in inches (or less),
much less in the raid, or snow, or anywhere near a
construction crew. Or even on a well mapped street
with new traffic signs. And there won't be, for a
long time.

We already have this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/land-registr
y- pl an s- th
e-basis-of-land-registry-applications/land-registry-pla
ns -t he -b as
is-of-land-registry-plans-practice-guide-40-supplement-
1

Who is making a self driving car that can use that data
to navigate?

And it says nothing about unexpected, temporary
obstacles, like construction workers or traffic cops
directing traffic around an accident.

In short, you're full of ****. As usual.

The faecal content is confined to your posts. The
streets have been mapped to the resolution you said was
impossible. Self driving cars are equipped with plenty
of other sensors (lidar, acoustic etc.).
I’ve already shown that one of
your
“impossibilitiesÃ¢à €Ã
‚  already exists. The database exists and can
easily be licensed for use. Anyone in the UK can buy a
download of a map to that resolution now.

What company makes a self driving car that uses that
data, and can drive anywhere described in it?

You didn't answer that question, of course, because you
know the answer is "none."

Actually every map in the UK is based on this data. Every
one of the self driving projects in the UK uses maps.
Your point was that mapping to that precision was too
difficult. As you can see you were wrong.

And your source still didn't address unexepcted, usually
temporary obstacles, and, of course, you do not acknowled
that, either.

Try reading. Unexpected temporary obstacles are a part of
normal driving. That’s why self driving
vehicles have sensors which are better for that purpose
than human senses.

The only **** you see, son, is in the mirror. And you
know it.

As I already wrote the faecal content in these posts is
yours. Why are you obsessed by faeces? Is it a fetish?




This current hallucination that we're close to truly
automated cars
will last until the first death caused by something
that would have been trivial for even a bad human
driver to avoid, like running down a traffic cop
directing traffic around an accident. Then the
companies making self driving cars will go out of
business, and rightly so.

That seems a contrived reason. Until self driving cars
can avoid pedestrians they
won†t
be allowed. In this case the policeman is just another
pedestrian.

There are already laws being enacted to allow Level 5
self driving
cars (with no manual controls), and manufacturers
talking about having them on the road within a few
years. The tech companies behind this are as delusional
as you are, and will end up killing people before the
politicians realize it. The technology isn't there, and
won't be within our lifetimes.

The technology is there for all that. It just needs
refining.

So in the space of two sentences, you contradict
yourself.

You *know* how full of **** you are.

What bothers me is that anyone could stop an autonomous
car by just walking in front of it. The end of playing
chicken and an easy way to rob a car.

And then you provide yet another reason why it's not
happening any time soon.

I don’t suffer from your problem, particularly
common in the USA, of taking sides and refusing to accept
any fact which doesn’t confirm your prejudices.
It’s all tied up with inability to compromise
and a deep personal insecurity.














So you’re not going to read the links in case they might
show your views on the practicality of self driving cars
wrong. Perhaps you will bury your head in the sand instead. By
coincidence I read this on the blog os Charles Stross today
about a test drive of a Tesla using the autopilot.

“One of the things about AI driving (by which I mean Tesla,
because everyone else is so far behind) is that it's a hive
mind. First Tesla down the road says "I'm confused, please
take over" (thinking to itself, I'll watch what the 'uman
does). Probably the next 10 or 20 Teslas down the road do the
same thing but it all gets uploaded to the Borg. Like the
Sting song, it's watching you.

Eventually it gets it sussed out to its own weird level of
satisfaction and stops asking you to take over.

I did a test drive in a Tesla. It took in roadworks as part of
the test drive. Now half a dozen cars had been round and round
that exact loop a dozen times each. When I got there, still on
autopilot, it slowed down to the worksite speed limit.
Followed the detour signs onto a field, drove through the
featureless field (that would one day be a 6 lane highway)
that was all the same dirt colour, just following tyre tracks,
around the roadworks and *stopped at a flagman* until he spun
his paddle round from Stop to Slow. After which it proceeded
slowly. None of the route I took was on any map. My gob was
completely smacked.”


Link to the Blog (the quote is from the thread Excuses post
544

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog...10/excuses.htm
l# comment-2036336






You want to snip then do it yourself.

Learn to bottom post.






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  #112  
Old October 18th 17, 01:01 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Mike Collins[_4_]
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Learn to snip.

You mean like this?
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
You claim the technology exists. Name a company that is
making a car that can drive itself on roads that car maker
hasn't, themselves, mapped, in the dark, in the raid, past an
accident with a cop directing traffic.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't exist, or
STFU.


Perhaps you will bury your head in the sand instead. By
coincidence I read this on the blog of Charles Stross today
about a test drive of a Tesla using the autopilot. The poster is
Australian.

One of the things about AI driving (by which I mean Tesla,
because everyone else is so far behind) is that it's a hive
mind. First Tesla down the road says "I'm confused, please take
over" (thinking to itself, I'll watch what the 'uman does).
Probably the next 10 or 20 Teslas down the road do the same
thing but it all gets uploaded to the Borg. Like the Sting song,
it's watching you.

Eventually it gets it sussed out to its own weird level of
satisfaction and stops asking you to take over.

I did a test drive in a Tesla. It took in roadworks as part of
the test drive. Now half a dozen cars had been round and round
that exact loop a dozen times each. When I got there, still on
autopilot, it slowed down to the worksite speed limit. Followed
the detour signs onto a field, drove through the featureless
field (that would one day be a 6 lane highway) that was all the
same dirt colour, just following tyre tracks, around the
roadworks and *stopped at a flagman* until he spun his paddle
round from Stop to Slow. After which it proceeded slowly. None
of the route I took was on any map. My gob was completely
smacked.

Link to the Blog (the quote is from the thread Excuses post 544


http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog.../excuses.html#
comment-2036336




  #113  
Old October 18th 17, 05:12 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Mike Collins wrote in
news:1561104788.530020440.046723.acridiniumester-
:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Learn to snip.

You mean like this?


Better, buf if you want to be less incoherent, you should also leave
a blank line after.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
You claim the technology exists. Name a company that is
making a car that can drive itself on roads that car maker
hasn't, themselves, mapped, in the dark, in the raid, past an
accident with a cop directing traffic.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't exist, or
STFU.


Perhaps you will bury your head in the sand instead. By
coincidence I read this on the blog of Charles Stross


Charlie Stross is a complete, utter ****ing wingnut. Smart, hell of a
writer, completely delusional about everything political and
everything US. His blog is not a useful source of information, only
entertainment at the poo flinging monkeys on the left being poo
flining monkeys. I wouldn't trust it to tell me the day of the week.

--
Terry Austin

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  #114  
Old October 18th 17, 06:28 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:13:01 UTC+2, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

Charlie Stross is a complete, utter ****ing wingnut. Smart, hell of a
writer, completely delusional about everything political and
everything US. His blog is not a useful source of information, only
entertainment at the poo flinging monkeys on the left being poo
flining monkeys. I wouldn't trust it to tell me the day of the week.


Thus spake "Flining" O'Zarathustra?

A more bigoted and biased individual would be hard to assemble from the detritus on the floor of a caveman's winter retreat! ;-)

Could anyone reasonably rely on GUCSY knowing which prehistoric era it was, let alone which period? ;-)

  #115  
Old October 18th 17, 07:19 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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It's so nice of you to completely agree with everything I said,
despite how small your penis is.

"Chris.B" wrote in
:

On Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:13:01 UTC+2, Gutless Umbrella
Carrying Sissy wrote:

Charlie Stross is a complete, utter ****ing wingnut. Smart,
hell of a writer, completely delusional about everything
political and everything US. His blog is not a useful source of
information, only entertainment at the poo flinging monkeys on
the left being poo flining monkeys. I wouldn't trust it to tell
me the day of the week.


Thus spake "Flining" O'Zarathustra?

A more bigoted and biased individual would be hard to assemble
from the detritus on the floor of a caveman's winter retreat!
;-)

Could anyone reasonably rely on GUCSY knowing which prehistoric
era it was, let alone which period? ;-)





--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

  #116  
Old October 18th 17, 07:41 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Mike Collins[_4_]
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Mike Collins wrote in
news:1561104788.530020440.046723.acridiniumester-
:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Learn to snip.

You mean like this?


Better, buf if you want to be less incoherent, you should also leave
a blank line after.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
You claim the technology exists. Name a company that is
making a car that can drive itself on roads that car maker
hasn't, themselves, mapped, in the dark, in the raid, past an
accident with a cop directing traffic.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't exist, or
STFU.


Perhaps you will bury your head in the sand instead. By
coincidence I read this on the blog of Charles Stross


Charlie Stross is a complete, utter ****ing wingnut. Smart, hell of a
writer, completely delusional about everything political and
everything US. His blog is not a useful source of information, only
entertainment at the poo flinging monkeys on the left being poo
flining monkeys. I wouldn't trust it to tell me the day of the week.


So you are accusing the Australian poster of lying. Shall I send you some
sand to bury your head in? I’m waiting for the right wing nutter’s cry of
“fake news”

  #117  
Old October 18th 17, 10:25 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy[_2_]
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Mike Collins wrote in

rnal-september.org:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Mike Collins wrote in
news:1561104788.530020440.046723.acridiniumester-
:

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:
Learn to snip.

You mean like this?


Better, buf if you want to be less incoherent, you should also
leave a blank line after.

Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
wrote:
You claim the technology exists. Name a company that is
making a car that can drive itself on roads that car
maker hasn't, themselves, mapped, in the dark, in the
raid, past an accident with a cop directing traffic.

I'm going to keep asking until you admit it doesn't
exist, or STFU.

Perhaps you will bury your head in the sand instead. By
coincidence I read this on the blog of Charles Stross


Charlie Stross is a complete, utter ****ing wingnut. Smart,
hell of a writer, completely delusional about everything
political and everything US. His blog is not a useful source of
information, only entertainment at the poo flinging monkeys on
the left being poo flining monkeys. I wouldn't trust it to tell
me the day of the week.


So you are accusing the Australian poster of lying.


Where? Please quote where I said that. Or admit *you* just lied. Or
delusional, as you have been all along. Let me count the ways in
which you are not interacting with reality.

1. Charlie's a wingnut (or, being a liberal, I guess the correct
term is "moonbat.") But he clearly believes every word he spouts.
It's only a life if he *knows* it's not true.

2. I never said anything in particular on his blog was *wrong*,
just that he's delusional about everything political and everything
US. Stopped clocks, twice a day, etc. But if he's right, it's
accidental. What I said was the nothing on his blog was credible.
The implication that it doesn't matter if I agree with it or not is
apparently too subtle or complicated for your limited intellect. It
just isn't a credible source, For anything.

3. It is possible, even likely (given how extreme Charlis is in his
moonbattery) that guest bloggers are less crzay (and clueless, when
it comes to politics and the US) than he is, but it's still his
blog, and he doesn't let people who disagree with his political
extremism *comment* on his posts, so I'm fairly certain he's more
picky about guess bloggers. In any event, see #2.

Shall I send
you some sand to bury your head in? I’m waiting for the right
wing nutter’s cry of “fake news”


Charlie's blog isn't a *news* s ource. It's a *blog*. It's an op-ed
column. It doesn't even *pretend* to be a *news* source.

Next you'll be telling me that Bat Boy is real because you saw in
on the Weekly World News web site. Anf Fox News just did a story
about a Bigfoot sighting, so Bigfoot must be real, too!

Moron.

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Terry Austin

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  #118  
Old October 19th 17, 06:00 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:58:47 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
wrote:
Paul Schlyter wrote in
:


On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:01:48 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
Sissy wrote:
The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles out
altogether.


By some definitions of best, maybe. By others, likely far more
popular, "best" would involved tracking down all the extremist
whackjob enivronmentalists and rendering their bodies down into
hydrocarbon fuel.


Are you seriously proposing mass murder as the best solution?


Are you stupid and illiterate?


Some 70+ years ago, a guy named Hitler implemented such a
"solution". He ended up killing himself, and causing a
cstastrophy over almost a whole continent.

Apparently, so, having invoked Godwin's Law, based on your own
insane, stupid fantasies. Try replying to what I actually said.


Except you're too stupid and illiterate to actually know what I

said.

You suggested turning the bodies of people whose opinions you dislike
into hydrocarbon fuel. Are you so stupid that you think anyone would
survive such a treatment?

PLONK!


--
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Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek



Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

  #119  
Old October 19th 17, 07:48 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Wednesday, 18 October 2017 20:19:14 UTC+2, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy wrote:

snip

Absence of basic understanding of quotation and bottom posting?

Obsessed with sexual imagery and boasts a permanent stain in his signature bedding?

An immature, narcissistic, perverted, fascist, religious hypocrite?
All the ideal qualities of modern leadership. Should go far!
  #120  
Old October 19th 17, 04:44 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Paul Schlyter wrote in
:

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 13:58:47 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
Sissy wrote:
Paul Schlyter wrote in
:


On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 16:01:48 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
Sissy wrote:
The best thing for the cities would be to get automobiles
out altogether.

By some definitions of best, maybe. By others, likely far
more popular, "best" would involved tracking down all the
extremist whackjob enivronmentalists and rendering their
bodies down into hydrocarbon fuel.

Are you seriously proposing mass murder as the best solution?


Are you stupid and illiterate?


Some 70+ years ago, a guy named Hitler implemented such a
"solution". He ended up killing himself, and causing a
cstastrophy over almost a whole continent.

Apparently, so, having invoked Godwin's Law, based on your own
insane, stupid fantasies. Try replying to what I actually said.


Except you're too stupid and illiterate to actually know what I

said.

You suggested turning the bodies of people whose opinions you
dislike into hydrocarbon fuel. Are you so stupid that you think
anyone would survive such a treatment?

PLONK!

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