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says... http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...o k_like.html 800 MPH transit Idea has been around for a long time. Unfortunately, transportation projects this big tend to be very conservative in an attempt to avoid rising costs and stretched schedules. It would, however, leapfrog the rest of the world's high speed rail service. That would be a *good thing* since the US has, to date, mostly refused to implement high speed rail. The current state of passenger rail transportation in the US is absolutely pathetic compared to Europe, Japan, and even China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_by_country Note that the US is only mentioned on this page because it has exactly *one* high speed rail line which runs from Washington D.C., through New York City, to Boston. On top of that, it has severe limitations compared to "true" high speed rail found elsewhere in the world (quote from link): On average, the line is not as fast as other high-speed rail lines as it shares its tracks with lower speed passenger and freight service. Unlike other high-speed rail lines, the Northeast Corridor is the only high-speed rail line in the world with grade crossings; there are eleven such crossings between New Haven, Connecticut and Boston, Massachusetts. So, the US has one "high speed" rail line, but it's screwed it up so badly, it's pathetic compared to the rest of the world's high speed rail. Jeff -- "the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer |
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On 2013-07-19 12:15:31 +0000, Jeff Findley said:
The current state of passenger rail transportation in the US is absolutely pathetic compared to Europe, Japan, and even China. Why would we want rail? What is the cost of the Amtrak run between New York & Washington DC? About $200. How often does it run? How many places can you get on & off the train? Only at one place in each city. Contrast with new busses. $40 trip. Can catch several per day and from several locations. They are fairly clean and some have WiFi. Rail is for cargo here in the US. |
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high speed rail should use exclusive right of way, no grade crossing or sharing with low speed rail. these hurt top speeds a lot.
the amtrak high speed line is limited to 150 mph in selected areas, other areas are slower. rail has advantage you can get off and on in citys, rather than travel to country areas for airports. so just how long does your 40 buck bus ride take??? musk high speed tube travel can be 800 MPH |
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Le 21/07/13 20:03, Robert Love a écrit :
On 2013-07-19 12:15:31 +0000, Jeff Findley said: The current state of passenger rail transportation in the US is absolutely pathetic compared to Europe, Japan, and even China. Why would we want rail? 1) Speed. High speed trains go at 300 Km /hour (186miles/hour). Cars/busses can never attain that speed 2) Confort in long trips: Trains have restaurants/toilets and MUCH more space than busses. 3) Security; Train accidents here in Europe are very rare. Much lower than cars or busses. 4) Less pollution since trains use less energy per person transported Busses aren't used much here in Europe. Slow, inconfortable, risky and very polluting. A network of high speed trains goes through most of the continent, and many more are planned. |
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"Robert Love" wrote in message
news:2013072113031928080-rblove@airmailnet... On 2013-07-19 12:15:31 +0000, Jeff Findley said: The current state of passenger rail transportation in the US is absolutely pathetic compared to Europe, Japan, and even China. Why would we want rail? What is the cost of the Amtrak run between New York & Washington DC? About $200. Rail in general, hardly. Often under $100. HSR - varies depends on when you book and time of day. How often does it run? Pretty much every hour, often two trains an hour. How many places can you get on & off the train? Only at one place in each city. Contrast with new busses. $40 trip. For a smaller, far more cramped seat that you're basically stuck in in the entire time. Can't get up and walk around. Stuck in local traffic. Can catch several per day and from several locations. They are fairly clean and some have WiFi. Several a day vs 3 dozen or so from NYP-WAS and a number beyond in both directions. And all trains on the NEC have WiFi. Rail is for cargo here in the US. Tell that to the ever increasing number of people riding the rails. Tell that to the folks in Virginia who have taken to their new trains like ducks to water. -- Greg D. Moore http://greenmountainsoftware.wordpress.com/ CEO QuiCR: Quick, Crowdsourced Responses. http://www.quicr.net |
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Fred J. McCall wrote: jacob navia wrote: Le 21/07/13 20:03, Robert Love a écrit : On 2013-07-19 12:15:31 +0000, Jeff Findley said: The current state of passenger rail transportation in the US is absolutely pathetic compared to Europe, Japan, and even China. Why would we want rail? 1) Speed. High speed trains go at 300 Km /hour (186miles/hour). Cars/busses can never attain that speed If we need speed, take an airplane. 2) Confort in long trips: Trains have restaurants/toilets and MUCH more space than busses. Take a plane. Then long trips are short. 3) Security; Train accidents here in Europe are very rare. Much lower than cars or busses. But when one happens it's a freaking disaster. Commercial bus travel is safer than train travel in the United States. Airplanes are safer than both. 4) Less pollution since trains use less energy per person transported Busses aren't used much here in Europe. Slow, inconfortable, risky and very polluting. If we want Europe, we know where to find it. A network of high speed trains goes through most of the continent, and many more are planned. That's nice. A mile of track or a mile of road takes you exactly one mile; a mile of runway takes you to the rest of the world. |
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[ trains, planes, and busses]
:: Busses aren't used much here in Europe. Slow, inconfortable, risky :: and very polluting. : Fred J. McCall : If we want Europe, we know where to find it. Yes. To some extent, there *is* a reason our mix of transportation differs from Europe's. The anecdote has made its way around, about Europeans visiting folks in New York, saying maybe they'd take a day trip (via car) to see some spots in Texas. Thing is, in Europe, there's not quite as much *there* there. And the rail network grew up with the urbanization. And of course, there was already a discussion somehere around here outlining why a train has quite a few disadvantages over a plane in terms of necessary track usage management vs air traffic control, and how plane routes can be organized into star patterns and trains... not quite so much. Or at least, not economically. Yes, yes, all the wonderful things about trains are true. They are far more luxurious, they are far more energy-efficient, yada yada yada. However, commercial airliners are twice as fast as a bullet train, and don't need tousands upon thousands upon thousands of kilometers of track to be laid to cover the US. So. There is a *potential* niche for a "bullet train" in the US. But it is squeezed between planes for longer distances and vehicles using the roads for shorter, and also squeezed by the economics of laying new rail to get high enough speeds for intermediate or longer distances. I'm not saying a nice train-based passenger system wouldn't be nifty. It's just that mandating it at this late date is almost certainly counterproductive. We got the mix of transport methods we got because of what was economical, and when it was economical. Same as Europe. But then, if we want Europe (along with its infrastructure choices based on its geography and historicay) we know where to find it. My pappy said son, you're gonna drive me to drinkin' If you don't stop drivin' that Hot. Rod. Lincoln. |
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a 800 MPH tube transit system will take things to a whole new level
heck day trips to texas from NY will be possible |
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:: a 800 MPH tube transit system will take things to a whole new level
:: heck day trips to texas from NY will be possible A whole new level of expense for the tubes, yes. : Fred J. McCall : Teleportation will take things to a whole new level : heck day trips to Tokyo from NY will be possible Suborbital passenger service suffices for that, I'd expect. |
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