A game for oriel36 et al to play

badastrobuster wrote:

There are still a few people here who attempt to convince oriel36 of
the error of his reasoning.
I have claimed that he just simulates stupidity to annoy, frustrate
and generally wind-up people.

http://www.martin-nicholson.info/tro...llkelleher.htm

To quoute you own words:

"don't bother wasting your time"

Or as I would put it - "Do not feed the t..ll"

--
I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines
to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour

On Nov 26, 2:39*pm, badastrobuster wrote:
The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

He would fail a thousand times rather than submit to a prosecutorial
inquisition at the hands of the likes of you, foul empiricist!

That might well be what he is too polite to say.

John Savard

On Nov 26, 9:39*pm, badastrobuster wrote:
On Nov 26, 8:56*pm, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED THREE TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN

So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.

**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****

Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

You are fine and already a success, as readers in this forum love
nothing more than a good spot of variable star observing,make sure you
keep up the good work and demonstrate how lively your type of
astronomy is,you might believe in 366 1/4 rotations in a year thereby
losing the most basic cause and effect of all but at least you have
lots of company.

The Decree of Canopus is probably the most important astronomical
document in antiquity and exceeds the Gregorian refinement as it
refers to the actual and original institution of the equal day and the
calendar system with its leap day correction.

".. this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the
New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little
defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also
the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the
heavenly orbits,"

http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/...pus_decree.htm

Not enough genuine love of astronomy to realize just how important
that sentence is given the denial and evasion of 21st century people
and their truly awful concepts that simply cannot be dignified as
reasoning.This from NASA -

"The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but
there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year. This is because we define a
day not based on the Earth's period of rotation, but based on the
average time from noon one day to noon the next. Gradually over the
course of a year the Sun appears to go 'backwards' (West to East)
around the Earth compared to the far away stars (this is because we
are really going around the Sun). Subtracting this 1 time backwards
from the 366 and 1/4 times forward, we get the typical 365 and 1/4
days per year."

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/as...rs/970714.html

The NASA description is geocentric which levels the playing field
with the ancient astronomers but the reasoning based on apparent
backward drift of the Sun against the background stars and arriving at
366 1/4 rotations is revolting .The lack of common sense at a point
where empiricists force attempt to force an imbalance between 365 1/4
rotations and 365 1/4 days in an orbital circuit is bewildering yet
nobody objects which makes this far,far worse leaving only nuisances
and their intellectual impotence.

So Martin,you are fine and I have nothing to say against you but there
are those who must certainly have a sense of crisis that looms behind
the facade of big bang,dark this and dark that ideologies after
centuries of betraying astronomy and its geometric language.

On Nov 27, 6:18*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED FOUR TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN

So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.


**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****


Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

So many words. So little content. It's rather like counting brush
strokes when painting with magnolia emulsion. Torture by random,
meaningless words should be prohibited in the Convention. Kelleher
should be listed just after Shrek's donkey and Guano' Bay "surfing"!

On Nov 27, 7:59*am, badastrobuster wrote:
On Nov 27, 6:18*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED FOUR TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN

So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.

**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****

Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

There is more than enough to attract the right audience - the orbital
daylight/darkness cycle,the twilight variations,the leap day
correction and how it reflects so many things and especially the most
fundamental fact of all that daily rotation is responsible for the day/
night cycle with the Feb 29th 24 hour rotation testifying to the
ability to distinguish daily and orbital motions as independent of
each other.

You are not failing,you have succeeded beyond all expectations and
while I'm sure that goes right over your head, when you end being a
spokesman for the forum it speaks for itself.You are fine,many never
left college here and it is all about passing, failing ,approval and
childish things like that,for a person who stands among the
astronomers from different times of history it is a privilege.

What you are going to talk about from now on is anyone's guess,this is
a crisis that I would have considered that could be dealt with
internally but it is now obvious that people don't know how to act
given that even the strategic 'assimilation' procedure does not apply
here and it would be foolish to imagine it does.There are great things
ahead for humanity and especially that it is not all about careers and
pretense,that there are people with talent and a love of celestial and
terrestrial phenomena to make this world a more interesting place
rather than the empirical attempt at drawing attention to itself and
nothing else.

You are not arguing for 366 1/4 rotations in a year,you are arguing
against daily rotation as the day/night cycle and nothing that can be
said or done can blot out that sadistic ideology.

On Nov 27, 9:13*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED FIVE TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN


So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.


**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****


Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

On Nov 27, 1:57*am, badastrobuster wrote:
On Nov 27, 9:13*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED FIVE TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN

So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.

**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****

Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

Keep doing this until you reach 1461 times proving that you can count
insofar as the 1461 rotations that are made up of the 24 hour day/
night cycles and stretching from Mar 1st 2008 until Feb 29th 2012
represent a close enough fit to 365 1/4 rotations/day in a year.If
you cannot figure out what the Feb 29th day/night cycle and 24 hour
rotation does in bringing the rotational cycles into sync with the
orbital cycle in omitting the 1/4 day/rotation in non-leap years then
I can't imagine what is left of astronomy,even human intelligence at
this stage.

It is becoming sadistic,the openly hostility to the cause and effect
of the day/night cycle represents an unimaginable low and it is done
with such crudeness that it takes a measure of Christian faith to
withstand this unconscionable irresponsibility in an era of
technological achievements.

The Decree of Canopus is a marvel for someone in my position and
adrift of any people who admire what these great people did and knew
what they were doing when they wrote for the first time to the wider
population -

".. this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the
New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little
defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also
the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the
heavenly orbits,"

It may be that you do continue this 1461 times and I may choose to
respond to it when it suits as you have already locked yourself in to
a really dumb thing that only the most boring would
do,nevertheless,you will succeed in exposing just how lifeless
everyone else has been and these things are now useful for a
different readership who can appreciate that daily rotation is
responsible for the day/night cycle and the leap day correction.

On Nov 27, 10:58*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED SIX TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN


So lets see how and for how long he can evade answering a simple
question. A question that is central to where he parts company from
mainstream astronomical thought.


**** Do you accept that the sidereal day is less than 24 hours long
( about 23 h 56 m 4.1 s) Please answer either YES or NO ****


Any answer orial36 gives apart from the one word answer yes or no
will result in a fail grade. The question will then be asked again
until he does answer the question with a simple YES or NO.

On Nov 27, 11:37*am, badastrobuster wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:58*am, oriel36 wrote:

NOW FAILED SIX TIMES - I WILL TRY AGAIN


You are not failing,you are succeeding and making everyone else
succeed with you so keep trying,you have another 1455 times to go to
show you can count the arithmetical string of rotations and days which
make up the calendar system stretching from Mar 1st 2008 until Feb
29th 2012 or 365 1/4 rotations/days per orbital cycle.

When a 17 billion dollar a year organization like NASA ,nebulous as it
is, argues for 366 1/4 rotations in a year,every year when the 24 hour
rotation of Feb 29th supports 365 1/4 days and rotations a year then
the links between science and intelligence becomes a very expensive
myth,so keep on posting as the more you post the easier it will be for
me to demonstrate the sadistic side of human nature,not just because
you post individually but because you post without objection.