EINSTEIN CRIMINAL CULT AND GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION

Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
littlejoe wrote:
Will the CPU of a computer which has a clock speed of 2500 MHz on earth
have a different speed when in free space (ie. where no gravity is) ?

This depends on what your words mean. For the conventional meanings, so
the clock rate of a CPU is measured by a frequency meter sitting on a
bench right next to the CPU, the answer is clear: the clock rate will
not change.

Some attempt to "explain" this by claiming that the "effects of space
(or gravity) on the CPU clock affects the frequency meter identically".
They have not fully faced up to the difficulties of formulating a theory
in which clock rates are affected by space (or gravity).

In the best theory of space and gravitation that we have today, General
Relativity, any clock always ticks at it usual rate [#], unaffected by
its location, motion, or the presence of any gravitation. Note, however,
that in general the COMPARISON of clocks at different locations is
affected by such factors. (this effect on the COMPARISON of clocks
sometimes gets misinterpreted to imply the clocks themselves are affected.)

Bravo Roberts bravo Tom bravo Albert Einstein of our generation
(Hawking is no longer etc.)! Is what you teach consistent with what
generations of physicists have learned and continue to learn:

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...tbook/ch13.pdf p.2:
The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the
behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher
clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a
tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the
tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take
the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show
more time elapsed."

Pentcho Valev

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
oups.com...
: Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
: littlejoe wrote:
: Will the CPU of a computer which has a clock speed of 2500 MHz on
earth
: have a different speed when in free space (ie. where no gravity is) ?
:
: This depends on what your words mean. For the conventional meanings, so
: the clock rate of a CPU is measured by a frequency meter sitting on a
: bench right next to the CPU, the answer is clear: the clock rate will
: not change.
:
: Some attempt to "explain" this by claiming that the "effects of space
: (or gravity) on the CPU clock affects the frequency meter identically".
: They have not fully faced up to the difficulties of formulating a theory
: in which clock rates are affected by space (or gravity).
:
: In the best theory of space and gravitation that we have today, General
: Relativity, any clock always ticks at it usual rate [#], unaffected by
: its location, motion, or the presence of any gravitation. Note, however,
: that in general the COMPARISON of clocks at different locations is
: affected by such factors. (this effect on the COMPARISON of clocks
: sometimes gets misinterpreted to imply the clocks themselves are
affected.)
:
: Bravo Roberts bravo Tom bravo Albert Einstein of our generation
: (Hawking is no longer etc.)! Is what you teach consistent with what
: generations of physicists have learned and continue to learn:
:
: http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...tbook/ch13.pdf p.2:
: The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the
: behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher
: clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a
: tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the
: tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take
: the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show
: more time elapsed."
:
: Pentcho Valev


"Therefore, the frequencies, f_r = 1/t_r and f_s = 1/t_s, are related by
f_r = (1+v/c)f_s = (1 + gh/c^2)f_s"

The clock on the ground sends one thousand grains of wheat a second
up the grain elevator and the clock at the top of the silo drops one
thousand grains a second down a chute.
More grains will arrive on the ground per second than were sent to the silo.
After a day or three... free bread to go with this circus, anyone?

BTW, this has one has been mentioned before. By connecting
a differential drive between the two clocks free energy is available.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...fferential.gif

The word "****head" comes instantly to mind, and I don't mean
the farmer.
So much for Harvard courses and the standard of American education.

Androcles wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
oups.com...
: Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
: littlejoe wrote:
: Will the CPU of a computer which has a clock speed of 2500 MHz on
earth
: have a different speed when in free space (ie. where no gravity is) ?
:
: This depends on what your words mean. For the conventional meanings, so
: the clock rate of a CPU is measured by a frequency meter sitting on a
: bench right next to the CPU, the answer is clear: the clock rate will
: not change.
:
: Some attempt to "explain" this by claiming that the "effects of space
: (or gravity) on the CPU clock affects the frequency meter identically".
: They have not fully faced up to the difficulties of formulating a theory
: in which clock rates are affected by space (or gravity).
:
: In the best theory of space and gravitation that we have today, General
: Relativity, any clock always ticks at it usual rate [#], unaffected by
: its location, motion, or the presence of any gravitation. Note, however,
: that in general the COMPARISON of clocks at different locations is
: affected by such factors. (this effect on the COMPARISON of clocks
: sometimes gets misinterpreted to imply the clocks themselves are
affected.)
:
: Bravo Roberts bravo Tom bravo Albert Einstein of our generation
: (Hawking is no longer etc.)! Is what you teach consistent with what
: generations of physicists have learned and continue to learn:
:
: http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...tbook/ch13.pdf p.2:
: The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the
: behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher
: clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a
: tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the
: tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take
: the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show
: more time elapsed."
:
: Pentcho Valev


"Therefore, the frequencies, f_r = 1/t_r and f_s = 1/t_s, are related by
f_r = (1+v/c)f_s = (1 + gh/c^2)f_s"

The clock on the ground sends one thousand grains of wheat a second
up the grain elevator and the clock at the top of the silo drops one
thousand grains a second down a chute.
More grains will arrive on the ground per second than were sent to the silo.
After a day or three... free bread to go with this circus, anyone?

BTW, this has one has been mentioned before. By connecting
a differential drive between the two clocks free energy is available.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...fferential.gif

The word "****head" comes instantly to mind, and I don't mean
the farmer.
So much for Harvard courses and the standard of American education.

Yet, although Tom Roberts' idea that "any clock always ticks at it
usual rate [#], unaffected by its location, motion, or the presence of
any gravitation" sounds reasonable, his brothers in Einstein criminal
cult are going to use gravitational time dilation as a powerful tool
in case they decide to "jump ahead in time":

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...FB809EC5880000
How to Build a Time Machine. It wouldn't be easy, but it might be
possible. By Paul Davies
"Speed is one way to jump ahead in time. Gravity is another. In his
general theory of relativity, Einstein predicted that gravity slows
time. Clocks run a bit faster in the attic than in the basement, which
is closer to the center of Earth and therefore deeper down in a
gravitational field. Similarly, clocks run faster in space than on the
ground. Once again the effect is minuscule, but it has been directly
measured using accurate clocks. Indeed, these time-warping effects
have to be taken into account in the Global Positioning System. If
they weren't, sailors, taxi drivers and cruise missiles could find
themselves many kilometers off course. At the surface of a neutron
star, gravity is so strong that time is slowed by about 30 percent
relative to Earth time. Viewed from such a star, events here would
resemble a fast-forwarded video. A black hole represents the ultimate
time warp; at the surface of the hole, time stands still relative to
Earth. This means that if you fell into a black hole from nearby, in
the brief interval it took you to reach the surface, all of eternity
would pass by in the wider universe. The region within the black hole
is therefore beyond the end of time, as far as the outside universe is
concerned. If an astronaut could zoom very close to a black hole and
return unscathed--admittedly a fanciful, not to mention foolhardy,
prospect--he could leap far into the future."

Pentcho Valev

"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
ups.com...
:
: Androcles wrote:
: "Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
: oups.com...
: : Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
: : littlejoe wrote:
: : Will the CPU of a computer which has a clock speed of 2500 MHz on
: earth
: : have a different speed when in free space (ie. where no gravity
is) ?
: :
: : This depends on what your words mean. For the conventional meanings,
so
: : the clock rate of a CPU is measured by a frequency meter sitting on
a
: : bench right next to the CPU, the answer is clear: the clock rate
will
: : not change.
: :
: : Some attempt to "explain" this by claiming that the "effects of
space
: : (or gravity) on the CPU clock affects the frequency meter
identically".
: : They have not fully faced up to the difficulties of formulating a
theory
: : in which clock rates are affected by space (or gravity).
: :
: : In the best theory of space and gravitation that we have today,
General
: : Relativity, any clock always ticks at it usual rate [#], unaffected
by
: : its location, motion, or the presence of any gravitation. Note,
however,
: : that in general the COMPARISON of clocks at different locations is
: : affected by such factors. (this effect on the COMPARISON of clocks
: : sometimes gets misinterpreted to imply the clocks themselves are
: affected.)
: :
: : Bravo Roberts bravo Tom bravo Albert Einstein of our generation
: : (Hawking is no longer etc.)! Is what you teach consistent with what
: : generations of physicists have learned and continue to learn:
: :
: : http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~...tbook/ch13.pdf p.2:
: : The equivalence principle has a striking consequence concerning the
: : behavior of clocks in a gravitational field. It implies that higher
: : clocks run faster than lower clocks. If you put a watch on top of a
: : tower, and then stand on the ground, you will see the watch on the
: : tower tick faster than an identical watch on your wrist. When you take
: : the watch down and compare it to the one on your wrist, it will show
: : more time elapsed."
: :
: : Pentcho Valev
:
:
: "Therefore, the frequencies, f_r = 1/t_r and f_s = 1/t_s, are related by
: f_r = (1+v/c)f_s = (1 + gh/c^2)f_s"
:
: The clock on the ground sends one thousand grains of wheat a second
: up the grain elevator and the clock at the top of the silo drops one
: thousand grains a second down a chute.
: More grains will arrive on the ground per second than were sent to the
silo.
: After a day or three... free bread to go with this circus, anyone?
:
: BTW, this has one has been mentioned before. By connecting
: a differential drive between the two clocks free energy is available.
: http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonde...fferential.gif
:
: The word "****head" comes instantly to mind, and I don't mean
: the farmer.
: So much for Harvard courses and the standard of American education.
:
: Yet, although Tom Roberts' idea that "any clock always ticks at it
: usual rate [#], unaffected by its location, motion, or the presence of
: any gravitation" sounds reasonable, his brothers in Einstein criminal
: cult are going to use gravitational time dilation as a powerful tool
: in case they decide to "jump ahead in time":
:
:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...FB809EC5880000
: How to Build a Time Machine. It wouldn't be easy, but it might be
: possible. By Paul Davies
: "Speed is one way to jump ahead in time. Gravity is another. In his
: general theory of relativity, Einstein predicted that gravity slows
: time. Clocks run a bit faster in the attic than in the basement, which
: is closer to the center of Earth and therefore deeper down in a
: gravitational field. Similarly, clocks run faster in space than on the
: ground. Once again the effect is minuscule, but it has been directly
: measured using accurate clocks. Indeed, these time-warping effects
: have to be taken into account in the Global Positioning System. If
: they weren't, sailors, taxi drivers and cruise missiles could find
: themselves many kilometers off course. At the surface of a neutron
: star, gravity is so strong that time is slowed by about 30 percent
: relative to Earth time. Viewed from such a star, events here would
: resemble a fast-forwarded video. A black hole represents the ultimate
: time warp; at the surface of the hole, time stands still relative to
: Earth. This means that if you fell into a black hole from nearby, in
: the brief interval it took you to reach the surface, all of eternity
: would pass by in the wider universe. The region within the black hole
: is therefore beyond the end of time, as far as the outside universe is
: concerned. If an astronaut could zoom very close to a black hole and
: return unscathed--admittedly a fanciful, not to mention foolhardy,
: prospect--he could leap far into the future."
:
: Pentcho Valev

There is no difference between Time and any of the three dimensions of Space
except that our consciousness moves along with it.' -- Herbert George
Wells - "The Time Machine" - 1895.
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Einstein



The question I have is: Why are so many people stupid enough not to know the
difference between sci-fi and science or magic and illusion? Are there
really that many homo neanderthalensis left, because they are not homo
sapiens sapiens?

I'm quite serious about this... What H.G. Wells wrote above is certainly
creative, and also fiction, intended as fiction. When Einstein wrote "we
establish by definition that the time required by light to travel from A to
B equals the time it requires to travel from B to A" that too was creative,
but construed as fact. I give Einstein full credit for creativity and
intelligence, but was he

a) serious?

b) playing a joke?

c) amoral?

Given his philandering nature I rather suspect b and c, he didn't
give a damn about anyone except Einstein but disguised it well.

Building a time machine, were it possible, is extremely easy.
Assume the work is completed on July 7th, 2008.
Climb aboard with all notes, plans, schematics and a year old newspaper.
Set the date to one year earlier, today, July 7th, 2007 and make the
journey.
Using data from the newspaper, place an accumulator bet on the 1:30, 2.30,
3:30, 4:30 and 5:30 races at Kempton Park, you already know the winners.
With the funds, construct the time machine according to the data
provided after it's completion. You don't even need to know how it
works. It is only a paradox if you refuse to make the return trip
on July 7th, 2008, because if you fail to show up today you won't
have the plans.
This is a variation of the Grandfather Paradox, of course,
where the time traveller kills his grandfather before his father is
conceived and immediately winks out of existence himself.
Key to the paradox is that you cannot transmit even information
to the past without creating a paradox, let alone visit your younger
self, a violation of mass-energy conservation. Paul Davis is
day-dreaming and has not considered the consequences of his
suggestion, and like a small boy has aspirations of becoming
a space-travelling chrononaut. "****head" comes instantly to mind.

Androcles wrote:
"Pentcho Valev" wrote in message
:
: Yet, although Tom Roberts' idea that "any clock always ticks at it
: usual rate [#], unaffected by its location, motion, or the presence of
: any gravitation" sounds reasonable, his brothers in Einstein criminal
: cult are going to use gravitational time dilation as a powerful tool
: in case they decide to "jump ahead in time":
:
:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...FB809EC5880000
: How to Build a Time Machine. It wouldn't be easy, but it might be
: possible. By Paul Davies
: "Speed is one way to jump ahead in time. Gravity is another. In his
: general theory of relativity, Einstein predicted that gravity slows
: time. Clocks run a bit faster in the attic than in the basement, which
: is closer to the center of Earth and therefore deeper down in a
: gravitational field. Similarly, clocks run faster in space than on the
: ground. Once again the effect is minuscule, but it has been directly
: measured using accurate clocks. Indeed, these time-warping effects
: have to be taken into account in the Global Positioning System. If
: they weren't, sailors, taxi drivers and cruise missiles could find
: themselves many kilometers off course. At the surface of a neutron
: star, gravity is so strong that time is slowed by about 30 percent
: relative to Earth time. Viewed from such a star, events here would
: resemble a fast-forwarded video. A black hole represents the ultimate
: time warp; at the surface of the hole, time stands still relative to
: Earth. This means that if you fell into a black hole from nearby, in
: the brief interval it took you to reach the surface, all of eternity
: would pass by in the wider universe. The region within the black hole
: is therefore beyond the end of time, as far as the outside universe is
: concerned. If an astronaut could zoom very close to a black hole and
: return unscathed--admittedly a fanciful, not to mention foolhardy,
: prospect--he could leap far into the future."
:
: Pentcho Valev

There is no difference between Time and any of the three dimensions of Space
except that our consciousness moves along with it.' -- Herbert George
Wells - "The Time Machine" - 1895.
"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --Einstein



The question I have is: Why are so many people stupid enough not to know the
difference between sci-fi and science or magic and illusion? Are there
really that many homo neanderthalensis left, because they are not homo
sapiens sapiens?

I'm quite serious about this... What H.G. Wells wrote above is certainly
creative, and also fiction, intended as fiction. When Einstein wrote "we
establish by definition that the time required by light to travel from A to
B equals the time it requires to travel from B to A" that too was creative,
but construed as fact. I give Einstein full credit for creativity and
intelligence, but was he

a) serious?

b) playing a joke?

c) amoral?

Given his philandering nature I rather suspect b and c, he didn't
give a damn about anyone except Einstein but disguised it well.

Building a time machine, were it possible, is extremely easy.
Assume the work is completed on July 7th, 2008.
Climb aboard with all notes, plans, schematics and a year old newspaper.
Set the date to one year earlier, today, July 7th, 2007 and make the
journey.
Using data from the newspaper, place an accumulator bet on the 1:30, 2.30,
3:30, 4:30 and 5:30 races at Kempton Park, you already know the winners.
With the funds, construct the time machine according to the data
provided after it's completion. You don't even need to know how it
works. It is only a paradox if you refuse to make the return trip
on July 7th, 2008, because if you fail to show up today you won't
have the plans.
This is a variation of the Grandfather Paradox, of course,
where the time traveller kills his grandfather before his father is
conceived and immediately winks out of existence himself.
Key to the paradox is that you cannot transmit even information
to the past without creating a paradox, let alone visit your younger
self, a violation of mass-energy conservation. Paul Davis is
day-dreaming and has not considered the consequences of his
suggestion, and like a small boy has aspirations of becoming
a space-travelling chrononaut. "****head" comes instantly to mind.

Let us not forget that Einstein criminal cult used to be much more
outrageous - they knew no limits in the good old days:

http://www.totse.com/en/technology/s.../ftltravl.html
[From "The Sunday Times" (UK) 13th August 1995]

ASTRONOMERS PREDICT FASTER THAN LIGHT SPACE TRAVEL

"It is boldly going where no reputable scientific body has gone
before. Contradicting Einstein, the normally conservative Royal
Astronomical Society is about to publish a report predicting that
mankind will be able to travel faster than the speed of light. The
breakthrough means that Star Trek fantasies of interstellar
civilisations and voyages powered by warp drive are now no longer the
exclusive domain of science fiction writers.....Crawford argues that
modern physics may allow two possible ways around Einstein's theory,
which says that because bodies have infinite mass at the speed of
light, no amount of energy can make them go faster. The first is to
pass through "wormholes", rifts in the fabric of space caused by
intense gravitational fields such as those found around the collapsed
stars known as black holes......Should wormholes fail, however,
Crawford proposes a second possible route to the stars. He draws on a
recent paper by Miguel Alcubierre, of the University of Wales, in the
journal Classical and Quantum Gravity to suggest the possibility of
propulsion systems which distort space by compressing it in front of a
spaceship while expanding it behind. Such a system would effectively
bend space, creating a form of "warp drive" reminiscent of the
Starship Enterprise of Captain James T Kirk in Star Trek. The theories
will boost growing interest among scientists in the possibility of
travelling faster than light. The IPS, whose members include several
NASA engineers, starts its first conference shortly in Halifax, Nova
Scotia."

Pentcho Valev

EINSTEIN CRIMINAL CULT AND GRAVITATIONAL TIME DILATION

**************

Hell, here in Texas we round up n e criminals cult type people with a
posse an we givum a quick kangaroo court trail an' itz lethal
injection ferum, boy, uster be Old Sparkey. Oui knead lawn ardor
nowadays wut wid all dese Tearists wanderin around wuntin ta blow up
everythin. Oiu awl no that purfect ardor is what advances society,
chaos sets it back. So iffun yall come across n e uh them Einstein
criminals yall jes turn em in down here ta n e lawn enfarcement agency
an they'll give ewe a nice little flag ta put on yer antenna.
Thanky. I love you.

- Don

Let us imagine Einstein zombie world suddenly notices the following
text:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp "The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Then let us imagine the following thought somehow emerges in Einstein
zombie world: "Since the gravitational redshift is obviously an effect
produced by the variability of the speed of light, why do hypnotists
in Einstein criminal cult introduce the idiotic gravitational time
dilation?

Our imagination has obviously gone too far.

Pentcho Valev

On Jul 9, 12:43 am, Pentcho Valev wrote:
Let us imagine Einstein zombie world suddenly notices the following
text:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field....Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Then let us imagine the following thought somehow emerges in Einstein
zombie world: "Since the gravitational redshift is obviously an effect
produced by the variability of the speed of light, why do hypnotists
in Einstein criminal cult introduce the idiotic gravitational time
dilation?

Our imagination has obviously gone too far.

Pentcho Valev

You will find a novel interpretation of light propagation and
gravitational time dilation on the website, GravitationLab.com.

(Paper #3, near top of left column).

The model briefly described there is quite unlike anything Einstein
would approve of and yet its predictions for the Shapiro Time-Delay
experiment and the Vessot-Levine falling clock experiment agree quite
well with the empirical results.

The most important thing about this new model is that it lends itself
to a crucial test that could be performed in a modest Earthbased
laboratory. I am currently working on both the experiment and further
theoretical consequences. The priority is obviously the experiment
because if it proves the model is incorrect, it's theoretical
consequences would be useless.