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Jim Kingdon wrote:
Up on Mars, The amazing immortal Opportunity Rover is closing in on the half-mile-wide Victoria Crater: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12875359/ Ah, I didn't realize it was still driving during the winter (I knew it didn't need to worry as much as Spirit, being in a more equatorial location, but I didn't know that it would still be able to move). They really lucked out with those dust devils cleaning off the solar array periodically for them. In fact, other than that software glitch at the beginning, both these missions have been the antitheses of the "Great Martian Ghoul" effect and have been very lucky all along, right from the start in the case of Opportunity rolling into the geologically interesting crater on landing. That's a nice summary of where things are now; another source is http://www.marstoday.com/news/news.html?mid=58 There's a picture from Opportunity which shows that Victoria Crater is now within view: http://www.marstoday.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=20635 Rover headquarters is he http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html And all the raw images from the rover cameras are posted he http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/ I hope at some point they stick all the images from the navigation cameras together into a movie so that you can see the view out of the front of the rovers as they traverse the Martian surface from landing until now. I wouldn't be surprised if they do that at the end of each rover's lifetime. At the moment we've received a total of 82,912 images from Spirit, and 71,842 images from Opportunity. Pat |
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Rand Simberg wrote:
Here, Pat. Let's watch you attack Professor (and former head of the Executive Committee of the National Space Society) Glenn Reynolds now (since you obviously are incapable of responding to the substance). http://instapundit.com/archives/022447.php As I wrote earlier, this is off-topic, and I'm not going to post on it anymore; As to why a statement on international politics by the former head of the Executive Committee of the National Space Society should carry such weight (maybe we could get the Center For International Policy to give us some input on future Mars probe landing sites) is a bit beyond me, but anyway... As a final comment, lets play "Goose-Gander" with this statement by Bush from that page you cited: "Different threats require different strategies. In Iran we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction and supports terror. We also see Iranian citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Iranians, like all people, have a right to choose their own government, and determine their own destiny, and the United States supports their aspirations to live in freedom. . . . And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. . . . Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity." Now, let's see how Americans would react to this speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Different threats require different strategies. In America we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction and supports terror. We also see American citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Americans, like all people, have a right to choose their own government, and determine their own destiny, and the Islamic Republic Of Iran supports their aspirations to live in freedom. . . . And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of America: Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. . . . Iranians are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not Iran's gift to the world; it is Allah's gift to humanity." That would probably really **** us off, wouldn't it? It's insulting and condescending at the same time. In fact, if the Iranian President made that speech, I'll bet Bush's poll numbers would take a noticeable upward turn immediately. So that was a really smart thing to say wasn't it? All it probably did was galvanize more support for the Iranian president among the Iranians. Pat |
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:33 -0400, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Here, Pat. Let's watch you attack Professor (and former head of the Executive Committee of the National Space Society) Glenn Reynolds now (since you obviously are incapable of responding to the substance). http://instapundit.com/archives/022447.php As I wrote earlier, this is off-topic, and I'm not going to post on it anymore; As to why a statement on international politics by the former head of the Executive Committee of the National Space Society should carry such weight I wasn't making an argument from authority, other than to point out that it wasn't an administration sock puppet, which seemed to be what you were whining about the last time. Once again, you seem unable to address the substance of the argument, but I'll let you off, since it is indeed off topic. I hope that you'll refrain from repeating this nonsense here in the future. I won't expect it, though. Now, let's see how Americans would react to this speech by Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Different threats require different strategies. In America we continue to see a government that represses its people, pursues weapons of mass destruction and supports terror. We also see American citizens risking intimidation and death as they speak out for liberty and human rights and democracy. Americans, like all people, have a right to choose their own government, and determine their own destiny, and the Islamic Republic Of Iran supports their aspirations to live in freedom. . . . And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of America: Your enemy is not surrounding your country, your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. . . . Iranians are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not Iran's gift to the world; it is Allah's gift to humanity." That would probably really **** us off, wouldn't it? Of course, for good reason. It's insulting and condescending at the same time. In fact, if the Iranian President made that speech, I'll bet Bush's poll numbers would take a noticeable upward turn immediately. So that was a really smart thing to say wasn't it? All it probably did was galvanize more support for the Iranian president among the Iranians. This only shows how little you understand about the Iranians. Unlike you, they're smart enough to know that they *really do* live under a theocratic dictatorship. The notion that you can see the situation as symmetrical is...breathtaking. And again, a demonstration of why it's difficult to take you seriously. |
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On or about Tue, 23 May 2006 07:33:13 -0400, Rand Simberg made the sensational claim that:
I'm one of those people, but the only thing that Libby has been indicted for was lying to a grand jury, which has nothing to do with Dick Cheney's notes. I'm still waiting for this to turn into a real story. Yeah, lying to a grand jury is no big deal, is it? It's not as if grand juries have anything to do with the rule of law. -- This is a siggy | To E-mail, do note | Just because something It's properly formatted | who you mean to reply-to | is possible, doesn't No person, none, care | and it will reach me | mean it can happen |
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LooseChanj wrote:
:On or about Tue, 23 May 2006 07:33:13 -0400, Rand Simberg made the sensational claim that: : I'm one of those people, but the only thing that Libby has been : indicted for was lying to a grand jury, which has nothing to do with : Dick Cheney's notes. I'm still waiting for this to turn into a real : story. : :Yeah, lying to a grand jury is no big deal, is it? It's not as if grand juries :have anything to do with the rule of law. Apparently they don't, if the Bill Clinton experience is any guide for the rest of us. And they can't even show a deliberate lie by Libby, as they could with Bill Clinton. He apparently misremembered something and didn't avail himself of an opportunity to correct it. -- "It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point, somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me.... I am the law." -- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 15:54:37 -0400, in a place far, far away,
LooseChanj made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: On or about Tue, 23 May 2006 07:33:13 -0400, Rand Simberg made the sensational claim that: I'm one of those people, but the only thing that Libby has been indicted for was lying to a grand jury, which has nothing to do with Dick Cheney's notes. I'm still waiting for this to turn into a real story. Yeah, lying to a grand jury is no big deal, is it? It's not as if grand juries have anything to do with the rule of law. I didn't say it was no big deal. I said I was waiting for Dick Cheney's notes to turn into a story. Nothing in them should be of surprise to anyone who's been following this, and nothing in them speaks to Cheney's (or even Libby's) guilt or innocence of anything. But in fact, if there's no underlying crime, it's not clear why lying to a grand jury would be a big deal in this case, and so far, that's the only crime alledged. |
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LooseChanj wrote:
I'm one of those people, but the only thing that Libby has been indicted for was lying to a grand jury, which has nothing to do with Dick Cheney's notes. I'm still waiting for this to turn into a real story. Yeah, lying to a grand jury is no big deal, is it? It's not as if grand juries have anything to do with the rule of law. Didn't someone almost get impeached for lying under oath in the past few years? :-) Pat |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
Apparently they don't, if the Bill Clinton experience is any guide for the rest of us. And they can't even show a deliberate lie by Libby, as they could with Bill Clinton. He apparently misremembered something and didn't avail himself of an opportunity to correct it. How do we know if Bill Clinton didn't just misremember that incident with Monica? He had a lot on his mind, and the whole thing may have just not have been enough to make any big impression on him. (cut to Monica: "NO BIG IMPRESSION!? I WAS BETTER THAN THAT!!") :-D Pat |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 18:26:55 -0400, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: LooseChanj wrote: I'm one of those people, but the only thing that Libby has been indicted for was lying to a grand jury, which has nothing to do with Dick Cheney's notes. I'm still waiting for this to turn into a real story. Yeah, lying to a grand jury is no big deal, is it? It's not as if grand juries have anything to do with the rule of law. Didn't someone almost get impeached for lying under oath in the past few years? :-) He did get impeached. Sadly, he wasn't removed. As I said, I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. |
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