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  #1091  
Old December 29th 12, 10:50 AM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 29, 1:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Dec 28, 5:26*pm, mpc755 wrote:









On Dec 28, 8:14*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


You can't possibly specify aether has mass, because there's still no
replicated science in support of such aether mass.


The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether. Meaning, aether has mass.


'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'http://arxiv.org/abs/1110..3753


"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."


"mass of the aether"


'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1110.5168


"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."


'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135


"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."


'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892


"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of
the presence of the background field"


'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum
medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0701155


"In this paper we shall show that the relativistic physical vacuum
medium as a ubiquitous back ground field is a super fluid medium."


In the following article the faster the object moves through the super-
fluid ideal relativistic ether from general relativity the greater the
relativistic mass of the object.


You are connecting a lot of old dots, and imposing your
interpretations to suit.

Without your aether, there is no shortage of sufficient mass. *This
actually supports your aether theory, but sadly you can't seem to
interpret it that way.


The mass of the matter in a galaxy can not account for rate at which
it rotates. This is the reason why dark matter was postulated in the
first place.

There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves
through and displaces the aether.

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.
  #1092  
Old December 29th 12, 05:46 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 29, 2:50*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 29, 1:08*am, Brad Guth wrote:









On Dec 28, 5:26*pm, mpc755 wrote:


On Dec 28, 8:14*pm, Brad Guth wrote:


You can't possibly specify aether has mass, because there's still no
replicated science in support of such aether mass.


The following articles describe what is presently postulated as dark
matter is aether. Meaning, aether has mass.


'Quantum aether and an invariant Planck scale'http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.3753


"this version of aether may have some bearing on the abundance of Dark
Matter and Dark Energy in our universe."


"mass of the aether"


'Scalars, Vectors and Tensors from Metric-Affine Gravity'http://arxiv..org/pdf/1110.5168


"the model obtained here gets closer to the aether theory of , which
is shown therein to be an alternative to the cold dark matter."


'Unified model for dark matter and quintessence'http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0610135


"Superfluid dark matter is reminiscent of the aether and modeling the
universe using superfluid aether is compatible."


'Vainshtein mechanism in Gauss-Bonnet gravity and Galileon aether'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.1892


"the perturbations of the scalar field do not propagate in the
Minkowski space-time but rather in some form of ”aether” because of
the presence of the background field"


'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum
medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0701155


"In this paper we shall show that the relativistic physical vacuum
medium as a ubiquitous back ground field is a super fluid medium."


In the following article the faster the object moves through the super-
fluid ideal relativistic ether from general relativity the greater the
relativistic mass of the object.


You are connecting a lot of old dots, and imposing your
interpretations to suit.


Without your aether, there is no shortage of sufficient mass. *This
actually supports your aether theory, but sadly you can't seem to
interpret it that way.


The mass of the matter in a galaxy can not account for rate at which
it rotates. This is the reason why dark matter was postulated in the
first place.

There is no such thing as non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves
through and displaces the aether.

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.


At any great distance, even one particle per cubic meter becomes a
great deal of observation lens distortion potential. Gravity as
molecular derived is perfectly capable of distorting such few
particles to form a cosmic lens.

Gravity that pulls inward (towards mass) can be objectively proven,
whereas aether pushing inward is simply not testable.

You still haven't offered objective proof that an individual photon
wave with its quantum singularity particle of zero volume and zero
mass, actually goes anywhere (other than within its own wavelength).
  #1093  
Old December 29th 12, 05:55 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 29, 12:46*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

At any great distance, even one particle per cubic meter becomes a
great deal of observation lens distortion potential. *Gravity as
molecular derived is perfectly capable of distorting such few
particles to form a cosmic lens.

Gravity that pulls inward (towards mass) can be objectively proven,
whereas aether pushing inward is simply not testable.

You still haven't offered objective proof that an individual photon
wave with its quantum singularity particle of zero volume and zero
mass, actually goes anywhere (other than within its own wavelength).


I agree with Einstein.

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

A light wave is an aether displacement wave.

What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Gravitational lensing is caused by light propagating through the
displaced aether.

I agree with de Broglie.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. A
photon is a particle which forms on the aether wave a small region of
high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first
approximation, to a moving singularity.
  #1094  
Old December 29th 12, 06:59 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 29, 9:55*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:46*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



At any great distance, even one particle per cubic meter becomes a
great deal of observation lens distortion potential. *Gravity as
molecular derived is perfectly capable of distorting such few
particles to form a cosmic lens.


Gravity that pulls inward (towards mass) can be objectively proven,
whereas aether pushing inward is simply not testable.


You still haven't offered objective proof that an individual photon
wave with its quantum singularity particle of zero volume and zero
mass, actually goes anywhere (other than within its own wavelength).


I agree with Einstein.

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

A light wave is an aether displacement wave.

What is referred to as the curvature of spacetime is the state of
displacement of the aether.

Gravitational lensing is caused by light propagating through the
displaced aether.

I agree with de Broglie.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space. A
photon is a particle which forms on the aether wave a small region of
high energy concentration, which may be likened in a first
approximation, to a moving singularity.


Most everything about your aether, except its displacement by ordinary
matter replacing the molecular form of gravity, seems to offer a
better understanding of what's pushing or diverting some of the cosmic
stuff apart. However, galaxies do collide and portions of nebula
clouds do transform into new stars and planets.

The superfluid or supersolid form of this perfectly clear/transparent
aether is probably going to become the ultimate holy grail of our
knowing how molecular stuff initially came to be.

The polar jets of large black holes do seem to be ejecting more than
just ordinary matter, although it's further suggested that an excess
of positrons seem to be detected. Could a BH shell of mostly
electrons safely contain an internal sphere of positrons, or vise
versa?

Within aether, how do rogue neutrons and protons manage to regain and
hold onto their electrons and positrons?

Magnetic and electrostatic forces are each considerably stronger
within the subatomic and even the molecular realm. However, as
distance increases it seems the weak force of gravity takes over.

If aether has anything to do with creating or forming the cosmic lens
that most attribute to the forces of gravity influencing the IGM of
partials and/or distorting of time, then you'll need to help find that
connection and demonstrate it.
  #1095  
Old December 29th 12, 07:20 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 29, 1:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

Most everything about your aether, except its displacement by ordinary
matter replacing the molecular form of gravity, seems to offer a
better understanding of what's pushing or diverting some of the cosmic
stuff apart. *However, galaxies do collide and portions of nebula
clouds do transform into new stars and planets.

The superfluid or supersolid form of this perfectly clear/transparent
aether is probably going to become the ultimate holy grail of our
knowing how molecular stuff initially came to be.

The polar jets of large black holes do seem to be ejecting more than
just ordinary matter, although it's further suggested that an excess
of positrons seem to be detected. *Could a BH shell of mostly
electrons safely contain an internal sphere of positrons, or vise
versa?

Within aether, how do rogue neutrons and protons manage to regain and
hold onto their electrons and positrons?

Magnetic and electrostatic forces are each considerably stronger
within the subatomic and even the molecular realm. *However, as
distance increases it seems the weak force of gravity takes over.

If aether has anything to do with creating or forming the cosmic lens
that most attribute to the forces of gravity influencing the IGM of
partials and/or distorting of time, then you'll need to help find that
connection and demonstrate it.


The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a gravitational
wave. The ripple is an aether displacement wave.

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as
non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the
aether.

Galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hu...g_feature.html

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by
each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and
create a ripple in the water.

The offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring
galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the
galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the aether. The analogy
is a submarine moving through the water. The state of the water
connected to and neighboring the submarine stays the same as the
submarine moves through and displaces the water.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime
physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the
aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether
displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.
  #1096  
Old December 29th 12, 08:05 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 29, 11:20*am, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 29, 1:59*pm, Brad Guth wrote:











Most everything about your aether, except its displacement by ordinary
matter replacing the molecular form of gravity, seems to offer a
better understanding of what's pushing or diverting some of the cosmic
stuff apart. *However, galaxies do collide and portions of nebula
clouds do transform into new stars and planets.


The superfluid or supersolid form of this perfectly clear/transparent
aether is probably going to become the ultimate holy grail of our
knowing how molecular stuff initially came to be.


The polar jets of large black holes do seem to be ejecting more than
just ordinary matter, although it's further suggested that an excess
of positrons seem to be detected. *Could a BH shell of mostly
electrons safely contain an internal sphere of positrons, or vise
versa?


Within aether, how do rogue neutrons and protons manage to regain and
hold onto their electrons and positrons?


Magnetic and electrostatic forces are each considerably stronger
within the subatomic and even the molecular realm. *However, as
distance increases it seems the weak force of gravity takes over.


If aether has anything to do with creating or forming the cosmic lens
that most attribute to the forces of gravity influencing the IGM of
partials and/or distorting of time, then you'll need to help find that
connection and demonstrate it.


The ripple created when galaxy clusters collide is a gravitational
wave. The ripple is an aether displacement wave.

Aether has mass. Aether physically occupies three dimensional space.
Aether is physically displaced by matter. There is no such thing as
non-baryonic dark matter. Matter moves through and displaces the
aether.

Galaxy clusters move through and displace the aether.

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...

"Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark mater, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

The 'pond' consists of aether. The analogy are two boats which pass by
each other very closely. Their bow waves slosh back and forth and
create a ripple in the water.

The offset between the light lensing through the space neighboring
galaxy clusters and the galaxy clusters themselves is caused by the
galaxy clusters moving through and displacing the aether. The analogy
is a submarine moving through the water. The state of the water
connected to and neighboring the submarine stays the same as the
submarine moves through and displaces the water.

The Milky Way's halo is the state of displacement of the aether.

The Milky Way's halo is what is referred to as the curvature of
spacetime.

The geometrical representation of gravity as curved spacetime
physically exists in nature as the state of displacement of the
aether.

Displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward pressure toward
matter is gravity.

'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory -
Louis de BROGLIE'http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf

“When in 1923-1924 I had my first ideas about Wave Mechanics I was
looking for a truly concrete physical image, valid for all particles,
of the wave and particle coexistence discovered by Albert Einstein in
his "Theory of light quanta". I had no doubt whatsoever about the
physical reality of waves and particles.”

“any particle, even isolated, has to be imagined as in continuous
“energetic contact” with a hidden medium”

The hidden medium of de Broglie wave mechanics is the aether. The
“energetic contact” is the state of displacement of the aether.

"For me, the particle, precisely located in space at every instant,
forms on the v wave a small region of high energy concentration, which
may be likened in a first approximation, to a moving singularity."

A particle is a moving singularity which has an associated aether
displacement wave.

In a double slit experiment the particle travels a well defined path
which takes it through one slit. The associated wave in the aether
passes through both. As the aether wave exits the slits it creates
wave interference. As the particle exits a single slit the direction
it travels is altered by the wave interference. This is the wave
piloting the particle of pilot-wave theory. Detecting the particle
strongly exiting a single slit turns the associated aether wave into
chop. The aether waves exiting the slits interact with the detectors
and become many short waves with irregular motion. The waves are
disorganized. There is no wave interference. The particle pitches and
rolls through the chop. The particle gets knocked around by the chop
and it no longer creates an interference pattern.

"It is ironic that Einstein's most creative work, the general theory
of relativity, should boil down to conceptualizing space as a medium
when his original premise [in special relativity] was that no such
medium existed [..] The word 'ether' has extremely negative
connotations in theoretical physics because of its past association
with opposition to relativity. This is unfortunate because, stripped
of these connotations, it rather nicely captures the way most
physicists actually think about the vacuum. . . . Relativity actually
says nothing about the existence or nonexistence of matter pervading
the universe, only that any such matter must have relativistic
symmetry. [..] It turns out that such matter exists. About the time
relativity was becoming accepted, studies of radioactivity began
showing that the empty vacuum of space had spectroscopic structure
similar to that of ordinary quantum solids and fluids. Subsequent
studies with large particle accelerators have now led us to understand
that space is more like a piece of window glass than ideal Newtonian
emptiness. It is filled with 'stuff' that is normally transparent but
can be made visible by hitting it sufficiently hard to knock out a
part. The modern concept of the vacuum of space, confirmed every day
by experiment, is a relativistic ether. But we do not call it this
because it is taboo." - Robert B. Laughlin, Nobel Laureate in Physics,
endowed chair in physics, Stanford University

"According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is
unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation
of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space
and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time
intervals in the physical sense." - Albert Einstein

The relativistic ether referred to by Laughlin is the ether which
propagates light referred to by Einstein.

What ripples when galaxy clusters collide is what waves in a double
slit experiment; the aether.

Einstein's gravitational wave is de Broglie's pilot-wave. Both are
waves in the aether.


That still doesn't replace the molecular mass cause of gravity with
that of your aether displacement pushing inward.
  #1097  
Old December 29th 12, 08:23 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
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On Dec 29, 3:05Ā*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

That still doesn't replace the molecular mass cause of gravity with
that of your aether displacement pushing inward.


The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is āˆ¼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32Ļ€GN GĪ¼Ī½ = TĪ¼Ī½ āˆ’ TĪ± gĪ¼Ī½ + TĪ¼Ī½ ,
TĪ¼Ī½ = p (uĪ¼ uĪ½ + gĪ¼Ī½ ), T Ī¼Ī½;Ī½ = 0,

where GN is Newtonā€™s constant, TĪ¼Ī½ is the matter energy momentum
tensor and TĪ¼Ī½ is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (Dā€™Alembertā€™s paradox)
corresponds to Newtonā€™s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"
  #1098  
Old December 29th 12, 08:31 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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On Dec 29, 12:23Ā*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 29, 3:05Ā*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



That still doesn't replace the molecular mass cause of gravity with
that of your aether displacement pushing inward.


The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is āˆ¼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32Ļ€GN GĪ¼Ī½ = TĪ¼Ī½ āˆ’ TĪ± gĪ¼Ī½ + TĪ¼Ī½ ,
TĪ¼Ī½ = p (uĪ¼ uĪ½ + gĪ¼Ī½ ), T Ī¼Ī½;Ī½ = 0,

where GN is Newtonā€™s constant, TĪ¼Ī½ is the matter energy momentum
tensor and TĪ¼Ī½ is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid.. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (Dā€™Alembertā€™s paradox)
corresponds to Newtonā€™s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"


If the displacement of aether represents the inward force of gravity,
then why does the captured moon Titan have so much atmosphere, and
that of our captured moon having zilch?
  #1099  
Old December 29th 12, 08:46 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
mpc755
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On Dec 29, 3:31Ā*pm, Brad Guth wrote:

If the displacement of aether represents the inward force of gravity,
then why does the captured moon Titan have so much atmosphere, and
that of our captured moon having zilch?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28moon%29

"Titan has a diameter roughly 50% larger than Earth's moon and is 80%
more massive."

Titan is more massive than the Moon. Therefore Titan displaces more
aether than the Moon. Therefore there is more displaced aether pushing
back and exerting inward pressure toward Titan than there is the Moon.

"Titan is primarily composed of water ice and rocky material. ... The
atmosphere of Titan is largely composed of nitrogen"

Titan consists of different materials than the Moon.

All of the following articles describe an incompressible fluid aether
as being responsible for gravity.

The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is āˆ¼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32Ļ€GN GĪ¼Ī½ = TĪ¼Ī½ āˆ’ TĪ± gĪ¼Ī½ + TĪ¼Ī½ ,
TĪ¼Ī½ = p (uĪ¼ uĪ½ + gĪ¼Ī½ ), T Ī¼Ī½;Ī½ = 0,

where GN is Newtonā€™s constant, TĪ¼Ī½ is the matter energy momentum
tensor and TĪ¼Ī½ is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (Dā€™Alembertā€™s paradox)
corresponds to Newtonā€™s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"
  #1100  
Old December 29th 12, 09:40 PM posted to sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,alt.astronomy,sci.astro
Brad Guth[_3_]
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Default Aether has mass

On Dec 29, 12:46Ā*pm, mpc755 wrote:
On Dec 29, 3:31Ā*pm, Brad Guth wrote:



If the displacement of aether represents the inward force of gravity,
then why does the captured moon Titan have so much atmosphere, and
that of our captured moon having zilch?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28moon%29

"Titan has a diameter roughly 50% larger than Earth's moon and is 80%
more massive."

Titan is more massive than the Moon. Therefore Titan displaces more
aether than the Moon. Therefore there is more displaced aether pushing
back and exerting inward pressure toward Titan than there is the Moon.

"Titan is primarily composed of water ice and rocky material. ... The
atmosphere of Titan is largely composed of nitrogen"

Titan consists of different materials than the Moon.

All of the following articles describe an incompressible fluid aether
as being responsible for gravity.

The incompressible fluid described in the following article is the
gravitational aether.

'Empty Black Holes, Firewalls, and the Origin of Bekenstein-Hawking
Entropy'http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.4176

"But why an incompressible fluid? The reason comes from an attempt to
solve the (old) cosmological constant problem, which is arguably the
most puzzling aspect of coupling gravity to relativistic quantum
mechanics [13]. Given that the natural expectation value for the
vacuum of the standard model of particle physics is āˆ¼ 60 orders of
magnitude heavier than the gravitational measurements of vacuum
density, it is reasonable to entertain an alternative theory of
gravity where the standard model vacuum decouples from gravity. Such a
theory could be realized by coupling gravity to the traceless part of
the quantum mechanical energy-momentum tensor. However, the
consistency/covariance of gravitational field equations then requires
introducing an auxiliary fluid, the so-called gravitational aether
[14]. The simplest model for gravitational aether is an incompressible
fluid (with vanishing energy density, but non-vanishing pressure),
which is currently consistent with all cosmological, astrophysical,
and precision tests of gravity [15, 16]:

__3__
32Ļ€GN GĪ¼Ī½ = TĪ¼Ī½ āˆ’ TĪ± gĪ¼Ī½ + TĪ¼Ī½ ,
TĪ¼Ī½ = p (uĪ¼ uĪ½ + gĪ¼Ī½ ), T Ī¼Ī½;Ī½ = 0,

where GN is Newtonā€™s constant, TĪ¼Ī½ is the matter energy momentum
tensor and TĪ¼Ī½ is the incompressible gravitational aether fluid.. In
vacuum, the theory reduces to GR coupled to an incompressible fluid."

The following article describes a 'back reaction' associated with the
"fluidic" nature of space itself. This is the displaced aether
'displacing back'.

'An Extended Dynamical Equation of Motion, Phase Dependency and
Inertial Backreaction'http://arxiv.org/abs/1208.3458

"We hypothesize that space itself resists such surges according to a
kind of induction law (related to inertia); additionally, we provide
further evidence of the ā€œfluidicā€ nature of space itself."

The aether is, or behaves similar to, a superfluid with properties of
a solid, a supersolid, which is described in the article as the
'fluidic' nature of space itself. The 'back-reaction' described in the
article is the displaced aether pushing back and exerting inward
pressure toward the matter.

The following article describes the aether as that which produces
resistance to acceleration and is responsible for the increase in mass
of an object with velocity.

'Fluidic Electrodynamics: On parallels between electromagnetic and
fluidic inertia'http://arxiv.org/abs/1202.4611

"It is shown that the force exerted on a particle by an ideal fluid
produces two effects: i) resistance to acceleration and, ii) an
increase of mass with velocity. ... The interaction between the
particle and the entrained space flow gives rise to the observed
properties of inertia and the relativistic increase of mass. ...
Accordingly, in this framework the non resistance of a particle in
uniform motion through an ideal fluid (Dā€™Alembertā€™s paradox)
corresponds to Newtonā€™s first law. The law of inertia suggests that
the physical vacuum can be modeled as an ideal fluid, agreeing with
the space-time ideal fluid approach from general relativity."

The relativistic mass of an object is the mass of the object and the
mass of the aether connected to and neighboring the object which is
displaced by the object.

The following article describes the aether as an incompressible fluid
resulting in what the article refers to as gravitational aether caused
by pressure (or vorticity).

'Phenomenology of Gravitational Aether as a solution to the Old
Cosmological Constant Problem'http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.3955

"One proposal to address this puzzle at the semi-classical level is to
decouple quantum vacuum from space-time geometry via a modification of
gravity that includes an incompressible fluid, known as Gravitational
Aether. In this paper, we discuss classical predictions of this theory
along with its compatibility with cosmological and experimental tests
of gravity. We argue that deviations from General Relativity (GR) in
this theory are sourced by pressure or vorticity."

The following article describes gravity as a pressure exerted by
aether toward matter.

'The aether-modified gravity and the G Ģˆdel metric'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.5654v2

"As for the pressure, it is equal to p = 53āˆ’Ī±g,6a2 so, it is positive
if Ī±g 3 which is the weaker condition than the previous one. One
notes that the results corresponding to the usual gravity are easily
recovered. Also, it is easy to see that the interval Ī±g 15
corresponds to the usual matter."

The following article describes a gravitating vacuum where aether is
the quantum vacuum of the 21-st century.

'From Analogue Models to Gravitating Vacuum'http://arxiv.org/pdf/1111.1155

"The aether of the 21-st century is the quantum vacuum, which is a new
form of matter. This is the real substance"


Going by that analogy of Titan, Earth should have at least tenfold
more polluted atmosphere than it does.
 




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