Mars and beyond

Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.


Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

"Christopher" wrote in message
...
Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.


There's no way to predict what humanity will be like in 600 years, let alone
60.000 years. Almost certainly we will have colonized our solar system and
the Galaxy by then.

(Christopher) :

Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.


Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

Stop being an idiot by stop getting your space information out of dumb
newspapers. Mars will be as close as it is now in August 28, 2287.

Check out:
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/spa...s.close.up.ap/

Or atleast learn to use Google before you post.

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:23:49 -0000, Earl Colby Pottinger
wrote:

(Christopher) :

Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.


Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

Stop being an idiot by stop getting your space information out of dumb
newspapers.

The Daily Mail isn't a dumb newspaper.


Mars will be as close as it is now in August 28, 2287.

Check out:
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/spa...s.close.up.ap/

Or atleast learn to use Google before you post.

Earl Colby Pottinger

--
I make public email sent to me! Hydrogen Peroxide Rockets, OpenBeos,
SerialTransfer 3.0, RAMDISK, BoatBuilding, DIY TabletPC. What happened to
the time? http://webhome.idirect.com/~earlcp

Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:33:56 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Christopher) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Stop being an idiot by stop getting your space information out of dumb
newspapers.

The Daily Mail isn't a dumb newspaper.

laughing

No, it just prints dumb stuff, and some people are dumb enough to
believe it.

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Christopher wrote:

Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.

So do I, but....

Unless some form of FTL travel turns out to be both possible and
practical, then we can assume there would be no human presence much
beyond 60,000 light years at such time.

And remember, space development doesn't occur in a vacuum (pun
intended), what *else* has happened socially and technologically by
then? Certainly we'll have learned to give ourselves indefinite life
spans, though many will (if it's possible) have 'uploaded' themselves
into non-organic forms. (Either one means interstellar travel time will
be viewed differently than today.) Advanced nanotechnology may well have
made the construction of any possible device or stable configuration of
matter (contingent on the availability of the desired elements) almost
trivial. Food, space colonies and starships for everyone.

One might ask if numan nature will change. Will we even *want* to
expand into space? Answer: as long as even a small fraction do, it'll
happen.

Extraterrestrial contacts? Currently impossible to estimate. Anywhere
from next week to never. (But if the answer is 'never,' we'll know the
reason why, well before then.)

Expect massive social diversity among expanding humanity (some of
which will become something other-than-human), *espically if FTL travel
or communication can't be done. The relative isolation (which some will
have actively sought) insures this.

Personally, I think any attempt to guess what will be happening, more
than just 200-300 years off, however, is hardly more than fantasizing.
(Even Star Wars, according to early, unreleased movie posters, was to be
set around 3000 AD, but later changed to the non-specific; 'Long long
ago, in a galaxy, far, far away.') The impact of too many things we have
good reason to believe to be possible, will be difficult to predict, and
there will always be *complete* suprises of one sort or another....

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:33:56 GMT, (Christopher)
wrote:

The Daily Mail isn't a dumb newspaper.

[A lurker writes]. Yes it is. If anything, it defines the genre.

Chris

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:49:13 GMT, h (Rand
Simberg) wrote:

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:33:56 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Christopher) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Stop being an idiot by stop getting your space information out of dumb
newspapers.

The Daily Mail isn't a dumb newspaper.

laughing

No, it just prints dumb stuff, and some people are dumb enough to
believe it.

Its a better newspaper then The Sun.


Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:17:32 GMT, Joann Evans
wrote:

Christopher wrote:

Today Mars is a mere 34,646,418 miles away, and it'll be 60,000 years
till its as close again. 60,000 years ago humanity was living in
caves. Anyone care to have a guess what human society will be be like
in 62,003 AD? I for one hope we are spread through this galaxy with a
galaxy wide society like in 'Star Wars' [movies and novels] and with
similar technology.

So do I, but....

Unless some form of FTL travel turns out to be both possible and
practical, then we can assume there would be no human presence much
beyond 60,000 light years at such time.

And remember, space development doesn't occur in a vacuum (pun
intended), what *else* has happened socially and technologically by
then? Certainly we'll have learned to give ourselves indefinite life
spans, though many will (if it's possible) have 'uploaded' themselves
into non-organic forms. (Either one means interstellar travel time will
be viewed differently than today.) Advanced nanotechnology may well have
made the construction of any possible device or stable configuration of
matter (contingent on the availability of the desired elements) almost
trivial. Food, space colonies and starships for everyone.

One might ask if numan nature will change. Will we even *want* to
expand into space? Answer: as long as even a small fraction do, it'll
happen.

Extraterrestrial contacts? Currently impossible to estimate. Anywhere
from next week to never. (But if the answer is 'never,' we'll know the
reason why, well before then.)

Expect massive social diversity among expanding humanity (some of
which will become something other-than-human), *espically if FTL travel
or communication can't be done. The relative isolation (which some will
have actively sought) insures this.

Personally, I think any attempt to guess what will be happening, more
than just 200-300 years off, however, is hardly more than fantasizing.
(Even Star Wars, according to early, unreleased movie posters, was to be
set around 3000 AD, but later changed to the non-specific; 'Long long
ago, in a galaxy, far, far away.') The impact of too many things we have
good reason to believe to be possible, will be difficult to predict, and
there will always be *complete* suprises of one sort or another....

nods I still like the idea that the society and settings for the SW
movies are a *vision* of things to come. Pity I won't live long
enough to see it happen.



Christopher
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Kites rise highest against
the wind - not with it."
Winston Churchill

In article , Christopher wrote:

The Daily Mail isn't a dumb newspaper.

laughing

No, it just prints dumb stuff, and some people are dumb enough to
believe it.

Its a better newspaper then The Sun.

A friend of mine got a photo in the Sun, the other day. I was ashamed.

Regardless, "a better newspaper than The Sun" is somewhat like saying "a
richer country than Mali"; it doesn't so much narrow the field as define
the baseline.

--
-Andrew Gray