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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
I think that a "third Red scare", in the sense of recognizing that
China is an enemy of liberty is entirely justified. But even if one attributes ulterior motives to the current concern with China, I would think those motives are concerned with far more significant things - from the viewpoint of politicians and wealthy men, that is - than the space program. (Even though in real terms, to our posterity, the space program is perhaps the most significant thing of all.) John Savard |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:03:21 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: We win a cold war through our economic strength, which allows military superiority. The goal of our space program was shifted from Space Solar Power to a military oriented goal by a very few insiders with dubious motives. In what alternate reality did this occur? The point is which direction is better? A reactionary space program where the Pentagon uses NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars? In what alternate reality is that occurring? If the Pentagon wanted to "use NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars," it would have required the use of EELVs for VSE, reducing costs for all the users, and not agreed to allow NASA to build a new (sort of) "Shuttle-derived" launch system. |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
On Jul 19, 6:34 pm, (Rand Simberg)
wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:03:21 -0400, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: We win a cold war through our economic strength, which allows military superiority. The goal of our space program was shifted from Space Solar Power to a military oriented goal by a very few insiders with dubious motives. In what alternate reality did this occur? The point is which direction is better? A reactionary space program where the Pentagon uses NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars? In what alternate reality is that occurring? Washington Post WASHINGTON -- The top Air Force leadership sought for three years to spend counter-terrorism money on "comfort capsules" for military planes to ease the travel of senior officers and civilian leaders -- with at least four top generals involved in design details such as the color of the capsules' carpet and leather chairs -- according to internal e-mails and budget documents. Production has begun for the first capsule -- two sealed rooms that can fit in the fuselage of a large aircraft -- and four mobile pallets containing plush, swiveling leather chairs with footrests. Air Force officials say the new capsules are necessary to ensure that leaders can talk, work and rest comfortably in the air. And to think that all we had to rely on was a bar of chocolate in the good old days when we ran an empire and wanted help to work, rest and pay. |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:03:21 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Quadibloc" wrote in message ... I think that a "third Red scare", in the sense of recognizing that China is an enemy of liberty is entirely justified. I couldn't agree more, and said so a hundred times. But even if one attributes ulterior motives to the current concern with China, And now China is causing us to militarize our space program. Going to the Moon is about missile defense. In what alternate reality is this occurring? |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT), in a place far, far away,
Weatherlawyer made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: The point is which direction is better? A reactionary space program where the Pentagon uses NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars? In what alternate reality is that occurring? Washington Post WASHINGTON -- The top Air Force leadership sought for three years to spend counter-terrorism money on "comfort capsules" for military planes to ease the travel of senior officers and civilian leaders -- with at least four top generals involved in design details such as the color of the capsules' carpet and leather chairs -- according to internal e-mails and budget documents. Production has begun for the first capsule -- two sealed rooms that can fit in the fuselage of a large aircraft -- and four mobile pallets containing plush, swiveling leather chairs with footrests. Air Force officials say the new capsules are necessary to ensure that leaders can talk, work and rest comfortably in the air. And to think that all we had to rely on was a bar of chocolate in the good old days when we ran an empire and wanted help to work, rest and pay. Are you so insane and illogical as to think that this supports the notion that "the Pentagon uses NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars?" You don't have to answer that question--it was rhetorical. |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
jonathan wrote:
.... I suppose placing the bases on the poles of the moon, where the earth can be observed almost continually, is just a coincidence? I won't mention that Earth can be observed continuously from /any/ point on the Nearside. (Hint: What /can/ be observed from the poles almost continuously that cannot be observed continuously from anywhere else?) -- Dave Michelson |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:47:01 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:03:21 -0400, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor And now China is causing us to militarize our space program. Going to the Moon is about missile defense. In what alternate reality is this occurring? You've already lost this debate once, do I need to humiliate you yet again g? It's not possible to do something "again" that never occurred the first time. Do you think we're going to spend $230 billion dollars for four people on a moon base to do...what...monitor global warming? What dream-world are you living in? Our military posture via space since Bush couldn't be more clear or more aggressive. Please try to read /past/ the first paragraph of the link below. snip insanity Of course the military doesn't come out and flatly state the moon is a golden military goal, as then other countries might try to beat them to it. You're aware of the saying "loose lips sink ships"...right? OOPS, guess that ship has sailed.... OK, I get it. You're nuts. |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
"Quadibloc" wrote in message ... I think that a "third Red scare", in the sense of recognizing that China is an enemy of liberty is entirely justified. I couldn't agree more, and said so a hundred times. But even if one attributes ulterior motives to the current concern with China, And now China is causing us to militarize our space program. Going to the Moon is about missile defense. And this is good for who exactly? Is it good for NASA, for the taxpayers or for our future? I would think those motives are concerned with far more significant things - from the viewpoint of politicians and wealthy men, that is - than the space program. It's NOT up to them. We win a cold war through our economic strength, which allows military superiority. The goal of our space program was shifted from Space Solar Power to a military oriented goal by a very few insiders with dubious motives. But our greatest future threat is our dependence on foreign energy. It's our greatest single national weakness. The point is which direction is better? A reactionary space program where the Pentagon uses NASA as a way to leverage military space dollars? Or a proactive response that could keep our country economically strong /and/ independent into the distant future? (Even though in real terms, to our posterity, the space program is perhaps the most significant thing of all.) Science seems to be all about predicting the future, in order to build a better one. But science is the most futile way of all to predict the future as reality is non-linear and hence non-predictable long term. The only /accurate/ way to predict the future, short or long term, is by using our /imagination/ not science. By imagining the future you ...desire....and then make it happen. Let's have a little common sense please when its comes to shaping the future please. We start that process with our dreams not science. I want a future where energy falls from the sky as our phone calls do now. Cheap, endlessly abundant and absolutely clean energy so that all those Trekkian dreams of equality, justice and exploration can come true. And ya know what, that future is not a pipe-dream. It's right there, right at our fingertips...so close I can almost smell it trying to escape from those smoke-filled policy rooms. Executive Summary NASA's SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAM http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 If enough people want it badly enough, it'll happen. That's the truth of our reality. If we let the few take our future from us, they will and they are doing it right now, right here. But when the new administration takes a fresh look at NASA, there's a golden chance to change course back again. And make a difference that could create an entirely different future, one with as much hope as there is sunshine. More of the same, and by the few, is just not acceptable anymore. We need to /tell them/ which direction to take ....our...future. John Savard |
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"Dave Michelson" wrote in message news:ugEgk.120626$gc5.22198@pd7urf2no... jonathan wrote: .... I suppose placing the bases on the poles of the moon, where the earth can be observed almost continually, is just a coincidence? I won't mention that Earth can be observed continuously from /any/ point on the Nearside. (Hint: What /can/ be observed from the poles almost continuously that cannot be observed continuously from anywhere else?) But the base also needs to be lit by the sun as much as possible for solar power, and for the warmer day time temps. The poles could have both properties, almost continual sunlight and constant ability to observe. I think some attractive spots would be the red areas near the dark craters, where water ice might still linger. http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/...ation_02.jp g -- Dave Michelson |
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...NASA resorts to "Third Red-Scare" to Save Moon Shot!!!
"Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:47:01 -0400, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: "Rand Simberg" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:03:21 -0400, in a place far, far away, "jonathan" made the phosphor on my monitor And now China is causing us to militarize our space program. Going to the Moon is about missile defense. In what alternate reality is this occurring? You've already lost this debate once, do I need to humiliate you yet again g? It's not possible to do something "again" that never occurred the first time. More like again and again. Why do you even try? Please try to read /past/ the first paragraph of the link below. snip insanity Not even a paragraph this time? Come on! Do I need to start using flash cards? OK, I get it. You're nuts. All I did was link to the military sites. And you're right, they're a bit nuts. |
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