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Referencing our planet to the Sun
Perhaps the one issue which distinguishes the astronomy I practice from celestial sphere enthusiasts is that I incorporate the inner solar system and the central Sun rather than restricting the view to the distant stars as the original Sun centred astronomers did or worse still, the motion of the stars in stellar circumpolar motion which tries to reference the Earth's rotation to 'above' and the local horizon .
The planet's two distinct rotations are referenced to the Sun as separate day/night cycles (daily and polar) and likewise the direct/retrogrades of the faster moving planets where their back and forth motions in front and then behind the Sun departs from the attempt to link them to the celestial sphere of stars belonging to theorists since the late 17th century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VVCiPp67vI&t=206s For those who can't accept what is in front of them there is no redemption, nothing to enjoy or see but only an endless biting eating other in a hell of their own intellectual pretense. It ends for those who do appreciate what imaging does and they go on to share in the great journey of life as men. |
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On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 3:09:14 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
Perhaps the one issue which distinguishes the astronomy I practice from celestial sphere enthusiasts is that I incorporate the inner solar system and the central Sun rather than restricting the view to the distant stars as the original Sun centred astronomers did or worse still, the motion of the stars in stellar circumpolar motion which tries to reference the Earth's rotation to 'above' and the local horizon . The world will be better for this That one man, scorned and covered with scars Still strove, with his last ounce of courage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQizNZKiyYs The only problem is that this song is from the Broadway play "Man of La Mancha", which is adapted from the novel _Don Quixote_... about a man who charges at windmills in the mistaken belief that they are some sort of monster menacing the countryside. The Earth's orbit around the Sun is elliptical, so the direction from the Earth to the Sun doesn't change uniformly. To treat the Earth as a physical rotating body, following the same laws as a child's top, one can't use a complicated variable reference, which is why the fixed stars must be used instead. And as this leads to the *right answers*, empiricists rest content that they are doing the right thing. John Savard |
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On 1/22/19 10:54 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 3:09:14 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote: Perhaps the one issue which distinguishes the astronomy I practice from celestial sphere enthusiasts is that I incorporate the inner solar system and the central Sun rather than restricting the view to the distant stars as the original Sun centred astronomers did or worse still, the motion of the stars in stellar circumpolar motion which tries to reference the Earth's rotation to 'above' and the local horizon . The world will be better for this That one man, scorned and covered with scars Still strove, with his last ounce of courage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQizNZKiyYs The only problem is that this song is from the Broadway play "Man of La Mancha", which is adapted from the novel _Don Quixote_... about a man who charges at windmills in the mistaken belief that they are some sort of monster menacing the countryside. The Earth's orbit around the Sun is elliptical, so the direction from the Earth to the Sun doesn't change uniformly. To treat the Earth as a physical rotating body, following the same laws as a child's top, one can't use a complicated variable reference, which is why the fixed stars must be used instead. And as this leads to the *right answers*, empiricists rest content that they are doing the right thing. John Savard I'm only going to comment once on this, but I've been reading this guy's posts for years and I still cannot understand a thing he's trying to say. Kudos to anyone who does, but I think it's a failing effort. Ok, only time I'm going to comment on this, so done. |
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JBI wrote in :
On 1/22/19 10:54 AM, Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 3:09:14 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote: Perhaps the one issue which distinguishes the astronomy I practice from celestial sphere enthusiasts is that I incorporate the inner solar system and the central Sun rather than restricting the view to the distant stars as the original Sun centred astronomers did or worse still, the motion of the stars in stellar circumpolar motion which tries to reference the Earth's rotation to 'above' and the local horizon . The world will be better for this That one man, scorned and covered with scars Still strove, with his last ounce of courage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQizNZKiyYs The only problem is that this song is from the Broadway play "Man of La Mancha", which is adapted from the novel _Don Quixote_... about a man who charges at windmills in the mistaken belief that they are some sort of monster menacing the countryside. The Earth's orbit around the Sun is elliptical, so the direction from the Earth to the Sun doesn't change uniformly. To treat the Earth as a physical rotating body, following the same laws as a child's top, one can't use a complicated variable reference, which is why the fixed stars must be used instead. And as this leads to the *right answers*, empiricists rest content that they are doing the right thing. John Savard I'm only going to comment once on this, but I've been reading this guy's posts for years and I still cannot understand a thing he's trying to say. Don't feel bad. He doesn't either. Kudos to anyone who does, but I think it's a failing effort. If there's anyone who does, they should take their meds, too. Gerry is . . . not quite right in the head. Ok, only time I'm going to comment on this, so done. Heh. -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 12:09:35 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
JBI wrote in : Kudos to anyone who does, but I think it's a failing effort. If there's anyone who does, they should take their meds, too. Gerry is . . . not quite right in the head. Oh, dear. Because I had engaged in debate with him until he broke it off, some time ago, I believe I *do* understand what he's on about. I certainly don't blame anyone for thinking it's not worth the effort to read enough of what he has written to find out, though. But it's not that complicated. He is full of praise for the accomplishments of Copernicus, Galileo, and Kepler, who showed that the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way around. But he draws the line at Newton. Newton explained how the Solar System works with his law of universal gravitation, and by applying the same mechanical laws as govern Earthly objects to the Sun, the planets, and their moons. He is dead set against that. From his point of view: - The celestial realm follows its own rules, and these are, basically, heavenly mysteries. Instead of trying to figure them out, astronomers should simply enjoy and appreciate the beautiful spectacle. - The Earth rotates once every 24 hours (*not* once every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds) and the Moon does not rotate (rather than rotating once every 27 1/3 days). The rotation of a body is properly referenced to its primary, not to something outside the system - the Moon is not to go over the Earth's head to relate to the Sun or the stars, and the Earth is not to go over the Sun's head to relate to the stars. And of course he is impervious to the facts - the Equation of Time in the case of the Earth, and libration in longitude in the case of the Moon - that show that only by referencing the rotations of those bodies to the stars does one get a rotation that is uniform (except for small variations with known physical causes). If gravitation is a fiction, and the heavenly bodies don't follow laws like conservation of angular momentum, how then does one explain the discovery of Neptune? Again, he will hear none of it. John Savard |
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Quadibloc wrote in
: On Tuesday, January 22, 2019 at 12:09:35 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote: JBI wrote in : Kudos to anyone who does, but I think it's a failing effort. If there's anyone who does, they should take their meds, too. Gerry is . . . not quite right in the head. Oh, dear. Because I had engaged in debate with him until he broke it off, some time ago, I believe I *do* understand what he's on about. And you're pretty well known to be a loony as he is. It isn't even really that he's incomprehensible so much as he's so ****ing crazy why would anybody *try* to understand him? -- Terry Austin Vacation photos from Iceland: https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals. |
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