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Old November 14th 18, 04:37 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Once the Solar System was nothing but a cloud of gas. No heavy elements, just hydrogen from deep space from the Big Bang. How did it all come together to form the worlds we know and love today?

No one knows.
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Old November 14th 18, 05:18 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Your claim is wrong. The solar system was once a cloud of gas, sure, but is was not just hydrogen, it was composed of virtually *all* the elements currently found in the solar system, even if it was *mostly* hydrogen. How could it be otherwise?

Read a book on stellar evolution and learn a thing or 2, rather than just make it up as you go along, that only makes you look uneducated and lazy.
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Old November 14th 18, 09:24 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
Your claim is wrong. The solar system was once a cloud of gas, sure, but is was not just hydrogen, it was composed of virtually *all* the elements currently found in the solar system, even if it was *mostly* hydrogen. How could it be otherwise?

Read a book on stellar evolution and learn a thing or 2, rather than just make it up as you go along, that only makes you look uneducated and lazy.


Don't be stupid. It was all hydrogen. Matter had to start somewhere.

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Old November 15th 18, 04:37 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:24:04 PM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
Your claim is wrong. The solar system was once a cloud of gas, sure, but is was not just hydrogen, it was composed of virtually *all* the elements currently found in the solar system, even if it was *mostly* hydrogen. How could it be otherwise?

Read a book on stellar evolution and learn a thing or 2, rather than just make it up as you go along, that only makes you look uneducated and lazy..


Don't be stupid. It was all hydrogen. Matter had to start somewhere.


I'm not the stupid one here.

Sure, matter had to start somewhere, and that would be in the cores of the very first stars, which were made from pure hydrogen and helium... and they almost certainly had no planets. Those stars lived and died normal lives, and the biggest of them created all the heavier elements when they went supernova. Those heavier elements mixed with other hydrogen clouds and a second generation of stars were born, this time with planets formed from those aforementioned heavier elements.

Read a book about stellar evolution, rather than disparage people who clearly know a whole lot more about this subject than you do, which is essentially zero. To do otherwise only reveals your total stupidity about all of this.
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Old November 16th 18, 01:44 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:24:04 PM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
Your claim is wrong. The solar system was once a cloud of gas, sure, but is was not just hydrogen, it was composed of virtually *all* the elements currently found in the solar system, even if it was *mostly* hydrogen. How could it be otherwise?

Read a book on stellar evolution and learn a thing or 2, rather than just make it up as you go along, that only makes you look uneducated and lazy.


Don't be stupid. It was all hydrogen. Matter had to start somewhere.


Here, take your choice, lots of good stuff here. Be careful, you might just learn something...

https://tinyurl.com/ybbapcrr
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Old November 16th 18, 01:41 AM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:24:04 PM UTC-8, Mark Earnest wrote:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-6, palsing wrote:
Your claim is wrong. The solar system was once a cloud of gas, sure, but is was not just hydrogen, it was composed of virtually *all* the elements currently found in the solar system, even if it was *mostly* hydrogen. How could it be otherwise?

Read a book on stellar evolution and learn a thing or 2, rather than just make it up as you go along, that only makes you look uneducated and lazy.


Don't be stupid. It was all hydrogen. Matter had to start somewhere.


Here, a 'picture book', easy to understand, even for you...

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/.../formation.pdf

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Old November 14th 18, 07:01 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 17:37, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
Once the Solar System was nothing but a cloud of gas. No heavy elements, just hydrogen from deep space from the Big Bang. How did it all come together to form the worlds we know and love today?

No one knows.


No, the sun, like almost all stars, isn't first generation after the big
bang.

The previous stars made all other elements

Very interesting news:
https://www.space.com/42356-star-bor...-big-bang.html


13.5 billions years ago

And yet it isn't first generation
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Old November 14th 18, 09:25 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-6, Sylvain wrote:
Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 17:37, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
Once the Solar System was nothing but a cloud of gas. No heavy elements, just hydrogen from deep space from the Big Bang. How did it all come together to form the worlds we know and love today?

No one knows.


No, the sun, like almost all stars, isn't first generation after the big
bang.

The previous stars made all other elements



That does not make any sense. Then where did the previous generation get its

heavy elements? You forgot to think this thing through.
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Old November 14th 18, 10:26 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 22:25, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-6, Sylvain wrote:
Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 17:37, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
Once the Solar System was nothing but a cloud of gas. No heavy elements, just hydrogen from deep space from the Big Bang. How did it all come together to form the worlds we know and love today?

No one knows.


No, the sun, like almost all stars, isn't first generation after the big
bang.

The previous stars made all other elements



That does not make any sense. Then where did the previous generation get its

heavy elements? You forgot to think this thing through.


The stars by burning hydrogen make the elements heavier, helium,
nitrogen, carbon, oxygen

These elements fall in the center of the star. With their mass the
pressure and heat increase, other nuclear reactions make the heavy
elements. the nuclear reactions blow up by making a nebula.

After in the nebula, stars with planets find all elements to appear

Read it:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucl%C...A8se_stellaire

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Old November 14th 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.astronomy
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On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 4:26:13 PM UTC-6, Sylvain wrote:
Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 22:25, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 1:01:21 PM UTC-6, Sylvain wrote:
Le 14/11/2018 Ã* 17:37, Mark Earnest a écritÂ*:
Once the Solar System was nothing but a cloud of gas. No heavy elements, just hydrogen from deep space from the Big Bang. How did it all come together to form the worlds we know and love today?

No one knows.


No, the sun, like almost all stars, isn't first generation after the big
bang.

The previous stars made all other elements



That does not make any sense. Then where did the previous generation get its

heavy elements? You forgot to think this thing through.


The stars by burning hydrogen make the elements heavier, helium,
nitrogen, carbon, oxygen

These elements fall in the center of the star. With their mass the
pressure and heat increase, other nuclear reactions make the heavy
elements. the nuclear reactions blow up by making a nebula.

After in the nebula, stars with planets find all elements to appear

Read it:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucl%C...A8se_stellaire


No I'm not going to read it because it is nonsense. If heavy elements require elements from previous generation stars, then those of the previous generation do as well. It is has to start somewhere, and neither you nor science are able to explain how. No one bothers to think this one out. Just say you do not know, then you will be right.

 




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