Bye-bye Moon program, hello ISS to 2020

On Jan 27, 5:05*pm, Me wrote:
On Jan 27, 4:01*pm, OM wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:13 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Ares-1, Ares-V, Constellation - all dead:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-a...-budget27-2010....
Possibly a heavy lift booster at some future point.
But ISS will be manned till 2020 instead of 2015.

...Best reasons I've heard for impeaching Obama, if not lynching him.
How the hell does he expect us to get to ISS? Keep buying Soyuz
flights?

Simple answer can be found if you would keep up on events.
NASA is going to buy rides from US commercial providers, meaning
Spacex and others. *Proposals will start coming out of the woodworks
from Boeing, LM and others. *Ares I wasn't going to be ready for 5
years or more, which is more than enough for the standard aerospace
contractors to have some ready or for Spacex to get things right.

I sort of agree with giving an assist to private space flight with
government contracts. It's similar to when the government gave an
assist to early aviation with mail contracts. And that worked out
well.

On Feb 9, 2:42*am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Frank Robertson wrote:

Of course, if Obama isn't quite the visionary that JFK or Ronald
Reagan was.....wait, let me say something here you might not here much
about. In Andrew Chaikin'shttp://www.andrewchaikin.com/book, "A
Passion for MARS," Chaikin points out that when President RR was being
briefed about the Space Station "Freedom" plan, Ronald asked, "What
does this have to with going to Mars?" Then Chaikin openly
acknowledges: 'The President was a space enthusiast!'

Reagan just wanted something to upstage Mir.
Preferably something with guns, missiles, or lasers on it.
But the real space fan was Dan Quayle, who realized getting to Mars
would be pretty easy, as it shares Earth's orbit:http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/526.html

Pat

No, Reagan asked what the station had to do with Mars, He wanted Mars,
not the station. According to Chaikin. NASA told him the station was a
step on the way to Mars, just be patient.

Then came Gore, who said "It's time for Earth to join the Solar
System!"

Combine Gore-isms with Biden-isms and you have a thicker volume than
one with Bush-isms!

Frank Robertson wrote:

Of course, if Obama isn't quite the visionary that JFK or Ronald
Reagan was.....wait, let me say something here you might not here much
about. In Andrew Chaikin's http://www.andrewchaikin.com/ book, "A
Passion for MARS," Chaikin points out that when President RR was being
briefed about the Space Station "Freedom" plan, Ronald asked, "What
does this have to with going to Mars?" Then Chaikin openly
acknowledges: 'The President was a space enthusiast!'

Reagan just wanted something to upstage Mir.
Preferably something with guns, missiles, or lasers on it.
But the real space fan was Dan Quayle, who realized getting to Mars
would be pretty easy, as it shares Earth's orbit:
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/526.html

Pat

On Feb 1, 1:19*pm, Michael Gallagher wrote:

Wrong on all accounts

What "private industry"? *In the first place, the "private companies"
will not be building rockets with their own capital or capital they
raise privately

ULA and Space already have their boosters

but with money from the administration, $6 billion
over three years or something like that, and still working with NASA.
The relationaship may change somehow, but the flow of money from what.

No, that money will be for services rendered and not development

And where are these private astronaust

They will be new and ex astronauts. No need for them right now.
There is time to develop them.

Second, if Boeing, ILA, or Lockmart get in on the act, guess what?
The same "private industry" who got the money before under contracts
will still get it.

Different and cheaper contract format

And who has to facilities and the simulators to
train private astronauts? *Back to NASA again. *

Incorrect, the companies supplying the capsules will have their own
trainers. NASA will no longer have spacecraft simulators. The rest
of NASA's facilities are not needed to train commercial astronauts.
The companies will have their own training syllabus.
NASA will still have to train its astronauts for ISS duties.

On Feb 9, 8:37�am, Me wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:19�pm, Michael Gallagher wrote:

Wrong on all accounts

What "private industry"? �In the first place, the "private companies"
will not be building rockets with their own capital or capital they
raise privately

ULA and Space already have their boosters

but with money from the administration, $6 billion
over three years or something like that, and still working with NASA.
The relationaship may change somehow, but the flow of money from what.

No, that money will be for services rendered and not development

And where are these private astronaust

They will be new and ex astronauts. �No need for them right now.
There is time to develop them.

Second, if Boeing, ILA, or Lockmart get in on the act, guess what?
The same "private industry" who got the money before under contracts
will still get it.

Different and cheaper contract format

And who has to facilities and the simulators to
train private astronauts? �Back to NASA again. �

Incorrect, the companies supplying the capsules will have their own
trainers. �NASA will no longer have spacecraft simulators. �The rest
of NASA's facilities are not needed to train commercial astronauts.
The companies will have their own training syllabus.
NASA will still have to train its astronauts for ISS duties.

Hopefully KSC being so historic and so close to the air force base
will get it maintained as a national historic monument

As to 39 A&B return one to the appearance of Apollo and stack a full
up saturn moon rocket model on one bad, leave the remaining pad in the
shuttle configuration stack a mock up or enterprise on this pad.

Build a glass structructure around both pads and give the public the
first opportunity to see them close up, along with the VAB.

Excellent tourist display

Frank Robertson wrote:
Then came Gore, who said "It's time for Earth to join the Solar
System!"

No, that was Quayle again.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/553.html
In fact, compare this page:
http://goldenink.com/humor/algore.html
And this page:
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dan_Quayle/
And you will see that many things that were said by Quayle have been
magically transposed to Al Gore, and unless you you check up on your
sources, or remember them when they were originally said, you will be
misled.
As is the intent.

Pat

Frank Robertson wrote:
On Feb 9, 2:42 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
Frank Robertson wrote:

Reagan just wanted something to upstage Mir.

No, Reagan asked what the station had to do with Mars, He wanted Mars,
not the station. According to Chaikin. NASA told him the station was a
step on the way to Mars, just be patient.

Reagan also proposed SSF two years before Mir launched.

OM wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:22:25 -0600, "Jorge R. Frank"
wrote:

Reagan also proposed SSF two years before Mir launched.

...Yeah, but I'm even confused at this point. Was he proposing SS
Freedom or SS Fred by that time?

He proposed an unnamed "space station" in 1984. It was named Freedom in
1986 (*that* was a direct response to Mir, which means "Peace"). The
redesign that led to the "Fred" moniker was in 1990-91, during the first
Bush administration.

Jorge R. Frank wrote:
He proposed an unnamed "space station" in 1984. It was named Freedom in
1986 (*that* was a direct response to Mir, which means "Peace")

Or "World"; the word doesn't translate directly into a equivalent
English one.

Pat

On Feb 8, 11:42*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
Frank Robertson wrote:

Of course, if Obama isn't quite the visionary that JFK or Ronald
Reagan was.....wait, let me say something here you might not here much
about. In Andrew Chaikin'shttp://www.andrewchaikin.com/book, "A
Passion for MARS," Chaikin points out that when President RR was being
briefed about the Space Station "Freedom" plan, Ronald asked, "What
does this have to with going to Mars?" Then Chaikin openly
acknowledges: 'The President was a space enthusiast!'

Reagan just wanted something to upstage Mir.
Preferably something with guns, missiles, or lasers on it.
But the real space fan was Dan Quayle, who realized getting to Mars
would be pretty easy, as it shares Earth's orbit:http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/526.html

Pat

Is that quote for real? Is so he got science from the movies.
Yikes.