NASA reforms will never, ever succeed

I may be a skeptic - having been expelled from UT Austin's Aerospace
Engineering a semester short of my Ph.D for having found a faster,
safer, more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory - but I doubt very
seriously that any reforms at NASA will last even into the next
administration.

They have already established a rigid constraint against success.
After all the middle managers have their psych evaluations, and a
chance to change; some new people will be brought in, and others
relocated. The office environment they will be faced with will be
quite hostile (people despise psych tests to begin with, and abhor
anybody who replaces a supervisor who is outsoured by one), and the
bright, creative, resourceful new managers will be crushed to a pulp
in no time. Resistence is futile. Conformity is the evil beast in
the closet of every worker, everywhere - especially with jobs being
sent overseas by the boatload, competition for the few that remain
escalating. There's no way in hell you can isolate anybody anywhere
from those pressures...

Be that as it may, the only possible way NASA will succeed in creating
the kind of corporate culture they are mandated to create is to
institutionalize the reforms - all managers, until the end of time (or
NASA, whichever comes first) must pass these psych reforms. Those who
implement the psych reforms must themselves be policed, and thus be
beyond politics.

Which brings up another problem: psychiatry is synonomous with
politics. Consider that ten years ago there was a popular self help
technique promoted by psychiatry called orgasmic reconditioning. This
is a way for gays to re-orient their sexuality. In recent editions of
the same textbooks, this technique is not even mentioned.
Psychiatrists now consider it too stressful - or, reading between the
lines, they've been lobbied by gay groups to excise it from the
medical lexicon because it implies that gays are mentally ill. The
consequences of this has been that the rest of the population has been
denied the use of this important practice: adulterers wanting to
re-orient their cravings from prostitutes to lawful spouses; clerics
wanting to get turned on my Jesus instead of small boys; even good
christians wanting to try and get an erection from porn instead of
viagra.

So NASA is going to have to isolate the shrinks from the politicians,
as well as from the pharmaceutical companies. Good luck.

A formitable problem is that the NASA culture extends far, far beyond
the 18,000 official employees - to perhaps five times that many
contractors, academics, consultants, and aerospace firms. All of
these institutions are much worse than NASA when it comes to freedoms
of speech and willingness to speak out, and to do the job right the
whole damn aerospace universe has to be gutted of all the prejudice,
fear, and loathing not only for psychiatrists but for bright,
courageous, outspoken people period. Moreover, given the blurring of
boundaries with our international friends because of the International
Space Station, the reforms must be practically global. Every space
agency in the world will have to implement the same reforms, and the
same long term stragety. We're talking Star Fleet Command as an
adjunct to the United Nations here, not some minor NASA pencil
sharpening ~ and it will have to be so high profile that the only
feasible office building is the replacement towers for the 9/11
attacks in New York City.

Like I said, it will never happen. I predict the next major space
disaster will happen within five years, NASA will be shut down, and
the American space effort will die an ignominous death. We might as
well save the space program the expense and gut NASA of all its non
commercial contracts, delegate the pieces that are left to the
military space commands, and accept as inevitable the status quo of
scientific conformity that's been in place since the Dark Ages.

Given the horror I experienced at UT Austin, I admit that I won't
myself shed a tear when that happens. I certainly won't turn over a
finger to try and help it happen otherwise.

Bill Clark

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...
I may be a skeptic - having been expelled from UT Austin's Aerospace
Engineering a semester short of my Ph.D for having found a faster,
safer, more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory - but I doubt very
seriously that any reforms at NASA will last even into the next
administration.

Pardon my incredulity, but I somehow have trouble believing you can produce
a document informing you that you were being expelled for having found a
faster, safer more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory.

I have submitted the attached statement to my Texas state Senator and
Representative, the Chancellor, President and Board of Regents at UT
Austin, and I thought you might be interested in reviewing the case.

Regards,

Bill Clark

- - - - -

Senator Barrientos,

I am 46 years old and have been a licensed Professional Engineer in
half a dozen different disciplines. I got my BS from UT Austin in
1978, and an MS from UT Austin in 2001.

I was a semester short of a Ph.D in Aerospace Engineering at UT Austin
- my project was a computer model of the Earth to Mars trajectory,
with applications for the missile defense targeting system - and I was
expelled for non-academic reasons a semester short of matriculating
with a Ph.D. I appealed the dismissal through the whole UT
bureaucracy for two solid years, to no avail.

A few weeks ago I submitted a statement to the Texas Board of
Professional Engineers giving evidence and documentation of several
serious offenses done by the ASE Department. They include slander,
retaliation, misrepresentation, and theft of services. The
documentation I submitted to the PE Board included letters from
esteemed professors admitting to all these offenses in their own
words.

I received a letter back from the PE Board yesterday stating that the
things I have described are "...beyond their jurisdiction because they
do not involve the practice of engineering."

As a lifelong engineer, a published author, and a third generation
engineer; I find this ruling by the Board to be offensive. What can
be more the practice of engineering than the teaching of it? When I
was a consulting engineer most of my day was devoted to training
subordinates, educating clients, and sharing my experience and
knowledge with anybody and everybody. To separate this from the
"practice of engineering" is to narrow the definition of engineering
to little more than the equivalent of a computer algorithm.

The most disturbing part to me is that the professors at the
University - all of whom are licensed PE's - know they are beyond the
law, and have no guilt for breaking every rule in the book. I think
the Texas Legislature should consider the particulars of my case, and
contemplate the idea of enforcing some kind of ethical, moral, and
humanistic standards upon those who teach engineering to furure P.E.'s
and, in their comportment in the classroom, set the standard of
behavior for all the impressionable students in their realm of
influence.

Regards,

Bill Clark

XC: P.E. Board
XC: Lee Smith, UT VP for Legal Affairs

I have submitted the attached statement to my Texas state Senator and
Representative, the Chancellor, President and Board of Regents at UT
Austin, and I thought you might be interested in reviewing the case.

Regards,

Bill Clark

- - - - -

Senator Barrientos,

I am 46 years old and have been a licensed Professional Engineer in
half a dozen different disciplines. I got my BS from UT Austin in
1978, and an MS from UT Austin in 2001.

I was a semester short of a Ph.D in Aerospace Engineering at UT Austin
- my project was a computer model of the Earth to Mars trajectory,
with applications for the missile defense targeting system - and I was
expelled for non-academic reasons a semester short of matriculating
with a Ph.D. I appealed the dismissal through the whole UT
bureaucracy for two solid years, to no avail.

A few weeks ago I submitted a statement to the Texas Board of
Professional Engineers giving evidence and documentation of several
serious offenses done by the ASE Department. They include slander,
retaliation, misrepresentation, and theft of services. The
documentation I submitted to the PE Board included letters from
esteemed professors admitting to all these offenses in their own
words.

I received a letter back from the PE Board yesterday stating that the
things I have described are "...beyond their jurisdiction because they
do not involve the practice of engineering."

As a lifelong engineer, a published author, and a third generation
engineer; I find this ruling by the Board to be offensive. What can
be more the practice of engineering than the teaching of it? When I
was a consulting engineer most of my day was devoted to training
subordinates, educating clients, and sharing my experience and
knowledge with anybody and everybody. To separate this from the
"practice of engineering" is to narrow the definition of engineering
to little more than the equivalent of a computer algorithm.

The most disturbing part to me is that the professors at the
University - all of whom are licensed PE's - know they are beyond the
law, and have no guilt for breaking every rule in the book. I think
the Texas Legislature should consider the particulars of my case, and
contemplate the idea of enforcing some kind of ethical, moral, and
humanistic standards upon those who teach engineering to furure P.E.'s
and, in their comportment in the classroom, set the standard of
behavior for all the impressionable students in their realm of
influence.

Regards,

Bill Clark

XC: P.E. Board
XC: Lee Smith, UT VP for Legal Affairs

Kilolani wrote:

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...

I may be a skeptic - having been expelled from UT Austin's Aerospace
Engineering a semester short of my Ph.D for having found a faster,
safer, more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory - but I doubt very
seriously that any reforms at NASA will last even into the next
administration.


Pardon my incredulity, but I somehow have trouble believing you can produce
a document informing you that you were being expelled for having found a
faster, safer more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory.

It probably went through the sun LOL

Hi Bill Clark Rather well thought out post. NASA today is run by
politician. Just before the Columbia was to fly 21 top engineers quit.
They were warned(threats) not to tell why they quit. As everyone in this
news group knows I called NASA that the shuttles were unsafe to fly.
They did not take my calls. They were out to lunch. NASA gets more money
it needs each year,but most of the money goes into politicians
pockets,and the rest is blown up. Bert

Kilolani wrote:

Pardon my incredulity, but I somehow have trouble believing you can
produce a document informing you that you were being expelled for having
found a faster, safer more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory.

I am no big fan of NASA let but I have to agree with you. In most cases
people who act as victim and "demand" rights, compenstion and justice are
the very people who are victimizing those they are accusing. That's why I
don't watch Hollywood and MTV.

--
Happy Linux User

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:53:23 +0000, Yoyoma_2 wrote:

Kilolani wrote:

"Bill Clark" wrote in message
om...

I may be a skeptic - having been expelled from UT Austin's Aerospace
Engineering a semester short of my Ph.D for having found a faster,
safer, more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory - but I doubt very
seriously that any reforms at NASA will last even into the next
administration.


Pardon my incredulity, but I somehow have trouble believing you can
produce a document informing you that you were being expelled for having
found a faster, safer more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory.

It probably went through the sun LOL

Well, they could go at night...

"Venona Wickstrom" wrote in message
...
Kilolani wrote:

Pardon my incredulity, but I somehow have trouble believing you can
produce a document informing you that you were being expelled for having
found a faster, safer more efficient Earth to Mars trajectory.

I am no big fan of NASA let but I have to agree with you. In most cases
people who act as victim and "demand" rights, compenstion and justice are
the very people who are victimizing those they are accusing. That's why I
don't watch Hollywood and MTV.

And as I suspected, no such document has been forthcoming... just some more
whining.