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The sun was a red giant 4.6 billion years ago - the planets were born from the solar wind of the red giant sun.



 
 
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Old November 11th 10, 12:08 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default The sun was a red giant 4.6 billion years ago - the planets were born from the solar wind of the red giant sun.


Hi,

The sun energy source is not fusion. The sun and other stars are
heated by magnetic fields from the supermassive black hole at the
center of the Milky Way galaxy.
With this idea it is possible to trace the formation of the solar
system. The sun and stars formed separately. First the sun formed and
then after some time the planets formed. Red giants are not dieing
stars. Stars fluctuate all the time from being a red giant to being a
regular star. The sun was a red giant 4.6 billion years ago as evident
from meteorite age. The solar planets formed from the strong solar
wind of the red giant sun.

For more details read the article:

http://www.philica.com/display_artic...article_id=210

http://www.pixelphase.com/sun/solarsystem.pdf


Abstract

How the solar system formed, is a puzzle that challenged scientists
for many centuries. The current accepted theory is the Solar Nebula
Hypothesis originated by Kant and Laplace in the 18th century. In
reference 1 it was suggested that the sun energy source is not fusion
but magnetic fields from the center of the galaxy. The Solar nebula
Hypothesis cannot coexist with a sun powered by magnetic fields. As
shown on reference 4, those magnetic fields create mass that slowly
increase the mass of the sun. The sun is growing not from dust from
the interstellar space but from synthesis of new particles in the sun
interior. The sun and the planets formed separately, the sun came
first and then the planets follow.
In the standard solar model stars are turned into red giants when the
hydrogen in their core is depleted and the energy production stop.
Stars do not work on fusion, but on magnetic fields, so they turn into
a red giant when their energy supply from the magnetic field is
stopped. Stars that have a very long Maunder minimum, for tens of
million of years, in which their stellar cycle is weak, will turn into
a red giant.
The exoplanet search programs found that stars with planets have
higher metallicity compared to stars without planets. The metallicity
of a star depends on its mass. Massive stars have higher pressure and
temperature in their core that increase the fusion rate of heavy
elements. Stars with planet, that show higher metallicity, had higher
mass in the past that created the high metallicity. They went through
a significant mass loss that decreased their mass but did not change
the high metallicity. Those stars significant mass loss occur when
they turned into red giants. Red giants have strong stellar wind that
disperses the star outer layers into interstellar space. This stellar
wind creates comets that form planets around the star. The high
metallicity of the sun indicates that it was a red giant. The solar
planets where born from the solar wind of the red giant sun. The solar
system shows many evidences in support of an ancient red giant sun.
The energy calculation in reference 4 suggests that stars are slowly
growing by converting the energy from the magnetic fields to mass. The
gradual mass increase indicates that more massive stars are also
older, so according to the standard solar model there is a mix up
between older and younger stars. Older stars are not the smaller stars
like red dwarfs but the heavier stars like blue giants. The idea that
stars are slowly growing from small sizes, and the fact that the
latest exoplanet search programs found large number of exoplanets,
leads to the conclusion that stars originate from planets. The
development steps leading to the creation of stars from planets
include: growth of the planet by cold accretion of comets and
asteroids; separation of the planet from the star; magnetic ignition
of the planet when it reaches the size of a brown dwarf; and growth of
the star by conversion of the energy from the magnetic fields to mass.

Regards,
Dan Bar-Zohar
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Default The sun was a red giant 4.6 billion years ago - the planets wereborn from the solar wind of the red giant sun.

On 11/12/10 10:02 AM, Dan BarZohar wrote:
Hi Sam,

The pp-chain and the standard solar model are theory not observation
or evidence. The sun convert energy to mass, this conversion produce
both electron neutrino and muon neutrino.

http://www.philica.com/display_artic...article_id=126

It is very easy to disprove the solar nebula hypothesis and because of
that it was abandoned at the beginning of the 20th century. Can you
find any evidence in the solar systems that disprove the idea that the
solar planet were born from the solar wind of the red giant sun.

Regards,
Dan Bar Zohar


Observables include:
o neutrino energies coming from the core of the sun
o solar luminosity as a function of wavelength
o solar mass
o solar vibrational data (from Doppler)
o solar surface activity
o cratering record on solid solar system bodies
o meteorite chemistry and ages
o observation of solar disks in stellar nurseries

Just to name a few.

There are no observations of red giant phase occurring before
a star becomes a main sequence star.


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Old November 17th 10, 07:07 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Default The sun was a red giant 4.6 billion years ago - the planets wereborn from the solar wind of the red giant sun.

On Nov 12, 8:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 11/12/10 10:02 AM, Dan BarZohar wrote:

Hi Sam,


The pp-chain and the standard solar model are theory not observation
or evidence. The sun convert energy to mass, this conversion produce
both electron neutrino and muon neutrino.


http://www.philica.com/display_artic...article_id=126


It is very easy to disprove the solar nebula hypothesis and because of
that it was abandoned at the beginning of the 20th century. Can you
find any evidence in the solar systems that disprove the idea that the
solar planet were born from the solar wind of the red giant sun.


Regards,
Dan Bar Zohar


* *Observables include:
* * *o neutrino energies coming from the core of the sun
* * *o solar luminosity as a function of wavelength
* * *o solar mass
* * *o solar vibrational data (from Doppler)
* * *o solar surface activity
* * *o cratering record on solid solar system bodies
* * *o meteorite chemistry and ages
* * *o observation of solar disks in stellar nurseries

* *Just to name a few.

* *There are no observations of red giant phase occurring before
* *a star becomes a main sequence star.


o neutrino energies coming from the core of the sun

The neutrinos from the sun are the result of conversion of energy to
mass. The muon neutrino are not a result of neutrino oscillation but
are produced inside the sun by reaction of the second family of the
standard particle model.

o solar luminosity as a function of wavelength

The sun luminosity is a black body radiation and it cannot identify
the energy source of the sun. The heat and the energy source could be
magnetic fields and the sun will still produce the same luminosity.

o solar mass

The sun mass is from conversion of energy to mass see calculation.
http://www.philica.com/display_artic...article_id=208

o solar vibrational data (from Doppler)

Helioseismology show that there are plasma belts iside the sun those
plasma belt are are created by the magnetic fields of the solar cycle.
http://www.philica.com/display_artic...article_id=149

o solar surface activity

All the sun surface activity is magnetic so it makes sense that the
sun is powered by magnetic fields.

o cratering record on solid solar system bodies

The cratering on the moon, mars and mercury is from falling comets and
asteroids. 4.6 billions years ago the sun was a red giant. Red giants
have strong stellar wind. The stellar wind is condensing far from the
star or sun near the Kuiper belt and it forms comets. The comets then
fall to the planets and produce craters.

o meteorite chemistry and ages

The abundance of the meteorites and chondrules fit perfectly the sun
abundance, because the meteorites, asteroids and comets were created
from the solar wind. The meteorites have an age of 4.6 billion years
because they were created by the red giant sun at that time.
Meteorites also carry short lived isotopes and those can only be
created by a red giant sun. If the short lived isotopes were from
external source they would decay before reaching the solar system.

o observation of solar disks in stellar nurseries

Those are debris disk from collisions of planets and asteroids or bow
shocks from collisions of stellar winds of two stars. Protoplanetary
disks of blue giants were never found despite an extensive search.

There are no observations of red giant phase occurring before
a star becomes a main sequence star.


It takes millions of years. Some of the red giants are variable and
there luminosity change very fast.

Regards,
Dan Bar Zohar
 




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