Mars Spectacular

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:43:25 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


The graphic showing the Sun's altitude covers 24 hours. It shows the Sun's

apparent movement around the whole 360 degrees and makes it obvious that

the Sun's apparent motion is circumpolar.

This is the image Parker supplied of the celestial sphere view of the Sun's motion at mid latitude in context of the nightmare of celestial sphere cult -

http://images.usatoday.com/news/scie...ator-3-use.jpg

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

You are the only people ever to imagine that the Sun is Not furthest East at sunrise nor furthest West at sunset and that is obscene as it gets insofar as your circumpolar arc puts the Sun in an unnatural arc as shown in those images.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:01:21 PM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:

You are the only people ever to imagine that the Sun is Not furthest East at
sunrise nor furthest West at sunset and that is obscene as it gets insofar as
your circumpolar arc puts the Sun in an unnatural arc as shown in those images.

What part of a circle is the furthest clockwise, or the furthest counterclockwise?

John Savard

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 2:19:39 PM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:

I cannot be seen contending with people who put the Sun's daily motion in a
circumpolar arc
(snip)

Yes, yes, you would not wish to be caught in such atrocious company.

John Savard

oriel36 wrote:
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/...mericas250.jpg

The daily arc of the Sun in whatever season is predicated upon a round
Earth as the observer on the rotating surface traces an arc from horizon
to horizon which transfers to the observation that the Sun rises in the
East and travels North to noon and then descends in the West so to attach
a circumpolar arc to the Sun's apparent motion with Polaris between Sun
and horizon at noon is bereft of any reason or intelligence.

The only means to account for seasonal variations in arc for both
hemispheres simultaneously is to recognize the normal arc in the
direction of the Equator is produced by a round Earth -

http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/spaces...sunhorizon.jpg

I cannot be seen contending with people who put the Sun's daily motion in
a circumpolar arc with a widening arc towards the Equator and shrinking
at the Poles for this defies the observed seasonal variations in arc for
any given latitude as long as the Sun appears in view daily.

All observations of the apparent motion of the Sun daily and seasonally
are made towards the Equator for there is no other means to transfer the
observations into a round and rotating Earth along with the seasonal
variations in arc which are accounted for by the Earth's surface rotation
to the Sun as a function of its orbital motion.

The South to North apparent daily motion of the Sun towards noon and the
North to South arc of the Sun in the afternoon and towards the Western
horizon is the most loved observation in all astronomy and we see it as
the shortening and lengthening of shadows as the Sun moves North and then
South in its daily apparent motion -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v;7KLstUZbI

Anyone who tries to put in a circumpolar arc is not just an enemy of
reason,they are an enemy of humanity for the Sun's arc is a consequence
of a round and rotating Earth. Given that you people still insist that
the Earth is into the next rotation after 23 hours 56 minutes it is
hardly a surprise that your same celestial sphere thinking extends to the
effects of a round Earth and the daily arc of the Sun.

Lifting humanity out of inspirational and intellectual nadir is a
cooperative effort made of individual achievements.

The arcs you are so keen on are just part of a circle. That complete circle
passes below the horizon. At the centre of the circle, looking south is the
south celestial pole.

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 10:33:34 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:

The arcs you are so keen on are just part of a circle. That complete circle

passes below the horizon. At the centre of the circle, looking south is the

south celestial pole.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/scie...ator-3-use.jpg

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The most beautiful observation in all astronomy is not just the East to West motion of the Sun but the South to North arc before noon followed by its daily descent to its furthest point West on the local horizon. Whatever drives your cult to believe the Sun has an unnatural arc as it moves in respect to the local horizon it is certainly a drain on humanity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1w9A4DrO4

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lord Androcles wrote:

Explain your rule-of-thumb numbers.

I looked up that Mars is 54 million km away at a favorable opposition, and
about 3800 km in diameter. That works out to 3800/54000000 radians, or .004
degrees. (Last time, it worked out to .0038, I may have remembered some of
the figures wrong.) The Moon is .5 degrees; so Mars has to be magnified more
than 1000 times to get that big.

John Savard

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Where did you get 8 inches aperture from?

-- The Reverend Lord Androcles, Archbishop of Ballistic Light.
(H. God Wilson thinks he's the God of Ballistic Light and can tell it what
to do.)

On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 6:20:22 PM UTC-4, Lord Androcles wrote:
"Quadibloc" wrote in message

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On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:00:50 AM UTC-6, Lord Androcles wrote:

Explain your rule-of-thumb numbers.

I looked up that Mars is 54 million km away at a favorable opposition, and
about 3800 km in diameter. That works out to 3800/54000000 radians, or .004
degrees. (Last time, it worked out to .0038, I may have remembered some of
the figures wrong.) The Moon is .5 degrees; so Mars has to be magnified more
than 1000 times to get that big.


Where did you get 8 inches aperture from?

You probably meant to ask: "Where did you get '3800 km in diameter' from?"

Or maybe that one sailed over your head?

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:01:21 -0700 (PDT), oriel36 wrote:

This is the image Parker supplied of the celestial sphere view of the Sun's motion at mid latitude in context of the nightmare of celestial sphere cult -

That's NOT a photographic image of a real scene, it's an illustration.

It should be obvious to you that the illustrater has taken some
significant liberties with his illustration. Things like the FOV, the
horizon being "flat", etc; (since I know you're picky about details).
All that said - the viewpoint the illustration presents is accurate
enough for the purpose for which it was intended.

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On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 6:44:46 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 14:01:21 -0700 (PDT), oriel36 wrote:



This is the image Parker supplied of the celestial sphere view of the Sun's motion at mid latitude in context of the nightmare of celestial sphere cult -



That's NOT a photographic image of a real scene, it's an illustration.



You are a bunch of destructive cultists who set the Sun in a circumpolar arc and that makes you something a lot less then men in every way possible it is to be men -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap000715.html

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=121

The arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon is as beautiful an astronomical observation as there is yet you bunch have the Sun moving an unnatural arc from horizon to horizon and you have to fabricate images for that purpose because it doesn't happen.

These are the apparent motions that are being challenged making it inspirational and intellectual nadir for our society. None of you can go outside as men to watch sunset and the arc of the Sun behind the horizon as it moves to its Westernmost point to the observer or at sunrise the Easternmost point of the Sun as it moves out of the horizon



It should be obvious to you that the illustrater has taken some

significant liberties with his illustration. Things like the FOV, the

horizon being "flat", etc; (since I know you're picky about details).

All that said - the viewpoint the illustration presents is accurate

enough for the purpose for which it was intended.


The sun emerges from the East horizon and moves North to noon and then descends in its Westward motion where it disappears behind the local horizon -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130621.html

A person with intelligence could discern the arc of the Sun outside the utterly repulsive notion of its apparent motion in circumpolar motion without constant prompting for the more you look at the circumpolar arc view the more the genuine arc of the Sun seen in the APOD image makes itself known -

http://images.usatoday.com/news/scie...ator-3-use.jpg

Astronomers are meant to enjoy sunrise and sunset for what they actually are but this era won't even recognize the apparent daily arc of the Sun and that is astonishing !.









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On Wednesday, August 13, 2014 12:04:30 PM UTC-6, oriel36 wrote:

You are a bunch of destructive cultists who set the Sun in a circumpolar arc
and that makes you something a lot less then men in every way possible it is to
be men -

So being a destructive cultist even depresses one's sperm count.

John Savard