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Old January 9th 15, 01:07 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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On 6/01/2015 6:40 PM, William Mook wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:32:49 PM UTC+13, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 26/12/2014 3:01 PM, William Mook wrote:
A 48 micron thick of Aluminum/Magnesium alloy formed into a miniature External Tank that's 51 mm in diameter and 283 mm long that carries 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX - a total of 161.52 grams of propellant carried in a 5.81 gram tank system.

http://www.keytometals.com/Article74.htm

http://3dprintingindustry.com/aerospace/

This is 1/3 the thickness of soda can material made of slightly lighter materials.

The thruster is a MEMS bipropellant rocket with a 425 second Isp. A 2.5 Newton rocket array masses 260 milligrams and covers 7.23 sq mm area. This produces 1.54 gees at lift-off

http://cap.ee.ic.ac.uk/~pdm97/powerm...53_Epstein.pdf
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0105/17trwmems/

The 1080i HDTV camera, laser and radio link, inertial guidance, and control system mass 14 grams and is powered by hydrogen and oxygen vented from the propellant system.

A two kilowatt propellant management and deep space communications system that is comprised of a 1 kW electrolysis unit and a 1 kW MEMS based cryocooler, electrolyzes 225 ml of water into 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX in less than 1 hour. The system holds 1 litre of DI water and can fuel three vehicles in three hours and put them on hold for up to 24 hours and automatically launch them when desired over that period.

The entire system is controlled through a downloadable app from your iPhone6 which streams data from the launch unit via bluetooth and the unit streams from the vehicles via bluetooth when within 100 meters and via laser link at larger distances, including line of sight distances reaching into interplanetary space up to 1 Gbit/sec.

http://www.space.com/22680-nasa-luna...fographic.html

Three boosters may be launched individually or operated as a single clustered unit. The clustered unit may orbit a 35 gram satellite that carries a solar powered ion engine array capable of flying beyond Earth orbit to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, or the Asteroid belt.

http://scmero.ulb.ac.be/project.php?..._membrane.html
http://lmts.epfl.ch/MEMS-ion-source

These units are available from Coeus Limited of NZ. Interested parties may reply to

Prices for ready to fly systems that run on Water and AC mains range $225,000 and up.


Where's the video of your proving flight?


He's going to tell you you have to put up $10 million before he'll
show it to you.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain


https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

All you have to do is be a qualified buyer.


Link doesn't work for me.

If and when you have a video, it would make no commercial sense to
restrict viewing it to qualified buyers. Publish it on YouTube, and
you'll have no shortage of them.

Sylvia.
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Old January 9th 15, 06:37 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Are you a NZer? Or is he an NZer?

Legal action maybe a waste of effort even if one wins, IMHO.

Trig
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Old January 9th 15, 06:38 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 1:07:59 PM UTC+13, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 6/01/2015 6:40 PM, William Mook wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:32:49 PM UTC+13, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 26/12/2014 3:01 PM, William Mook wrote:
A 48 micron thick of Aluminum/Magnesium alloy formed into a miniature External Tank that's 51 mm in diameter and 283 mm long that carries 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX - a total of 161.52 grams of propellant carried in a 5.81 gram tank system.

http://www.keytometals.com/Article74.htm

http://3dprintingindustry.com/aerospace/

This is 1/3 the thickness of soda can material made of slightly lighter materials.

The thruster is a MEMS bipropellant rocket with a 425 second Isp. A 2.5 Newton rocket array masses 260 milligrams and covers 7.23 sq mm area. This produces 1.54 gees at lift-off

http://cap.ee.ic.ac.uk/~pdm97/powerm...53_Epstein.pdf
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0105/17trwmems/

The 1080i HDTV camera, laser and radio link, inertial guidance, and control system mass 14 grams and is powered by hydrogen and oxygen vented from the propellant system.

A two kilowatt propellant management and deep space communications system that is comprised of a 1 kW electrolysis unit and a 1 kW MEMS based cryocooler, electrolyzes 225 ml of water into 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX in less than 1 hour. The system holds 1 litre of DI water and can fuel three vehicles in three hours and put them on hold for up to 24 hours and automatically launch them when desired over that period.

The entire system is controlled through a downloadable app from your iPhone6 which streams data from the launch unit via bluetooth and the unit streams from the vehicles via bluetooth when within 100 meters and via laser link at larger distances, including line of sight distances reaching into interplanetary space up to 1 Gbit/sec.

http://www.space.com/22680-nasa-luna...fographic.html

Three boosters may be launched individually or operated as a single clustered unit. The clustered unit may orbit a 35 gram satellite that carries a solar powered ion engine array capable of flying beyond Earth orbit to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, or the Asteroid belt.

http://scmero.ulb.ac.be/project.php?..._membrane.html
http://lmts.epfl.ch/MEMS-ion-source

These units are available from Coeus Limited of NZ. Interested parties may reply to

Prices for ready to fly systems that run on Water and AC mains range $225,000 and up.


Where's the video of your proving flight?


He's going to tell you you have to put up $10 million before he'll
show it to you.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain


https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

All you have to do is be a qualified buyer.


Link doesn't work for me.

If and when you have a video, it would make no commercial sense to
restrict viewing it to qualified buyers. Publish it on YouTube, and
you'll have no shortage of them.

Sylvia.


Qualified buyers need not pay any money whatever. They must show they are qualified and have a legitimate use for the technology and sign an agreement that they will not use it for unapproved or illegal uses, and sign a rather comprehensive non-disclosure and non-compete agreement.

As far as your contention that there is no business reason not to publicize my activities in this field, I must say you are quite mistaken.

A New Zealand patent is an intellectual property right granted under the Patents Act 1953.

The grant of a patent provides the patent owner with the exclusive right to make, use or sell the patented invention for a term of up to 20 years from filing the patent application.

Patent applications are granted after an examination process by the Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. The applicant may not under New Zealand law disclose or publicize in any way any detail for which patents are being sought.

In return for the exclusive right provided by the grant of a patent, the patent applicant must provide a full and complete description of the invention, which is made public by IPO when a patent application is accepted.

Once the patent has expired, anyone may use the invention.

The exclusive rights provided by the grant of a patent allow patent owners to prevent others from copying their inventions and "free riding" on their investment in research and development. This gives inventors a greater opportunity to make a return from these investments, and provides an incentive to develop inventions that might not otherwise be developed. It is this incentive for innovation, and the resultant benefits to society that is the main justification for the grant of a patent.

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Old January 9th 15, 06:40 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 4:38:02 PM UTC+13, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 6/01/2015 6:40 PM, William Mook wrote:
On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:32:49 PM UTC+13, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Sylvia Else wrote:

On 26/12/2014 3:01 PM, William Mook wrote:
A 48 micron thick of Aluminum/Magnesium alloy formed into a miniature External Tank that's 51 mm in diameter and 283 mm long that carries 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX - a total of 161.52 grams of propellant carried in a 5.81 gram tank system.

http://www.keytometals.com/Article74.htm

http://3dprintingindustry.com/aerospace/

This is 1/3 the thickness of soda can material made of slightly lighter materials.

The thruster is a MEMS bipropellant rocket with a 425 second Isp. A 2.5 Newton rocket array masses 260 milligrams and covers 7.23 sq mm area. This produces 1.54 gees at lift-off

http://cap.ee.ic.ac.uk/~pdm97/powerm...53_Epstein.pdf
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0105/17trwmems/

The 1080i HDTV camera, laser and radio link, inertial guidance, and control system mass 14 grams and is powered by hydrogen and oxygen vented from the propellant system.

A two kilowatt propellant management and deep space communications system that is comprised of a 1 kW electrolysis unit and a 1 kW MEMS based cryocooler, electrolyzes 225 ml of water into 24.85 grams of LH2 and 136.75 grams of LOX in less than 1 hour. The system holds 1 litre of DI water and can fuel three vehicles in three hours and put them on hold for up to 24 hours and automatically launch them when desired over that period.

The entire system is controlled through a downloadable app from your iPhone6 which streams data from the launch unit via bluetooth and the unit streams from the vehicles via bluetooth when within 100 meters and via laser link at larger distances, including line of sight distances reaching into interplanetary space up to 1 Gbit/sec.

http://www.space.com/22680-nasa-luna...fographic.html

Three boosters may be launched individually or operated as a single clustered unit. The clustered unit may orbit a 35 gram satellite that carries a solar powered ion engine array capable of flying beyond Earth orbit to the Moon, Mars, Venus, Mercury, or the Asteroid belt.

http://scmero.ulb.ac.be/project.php?..._membrane.html
http://lmts.epfl.ch/MEMS-ion-source

These units are available from Coeus Limited of NZ. Interested parties may reply to

Prices for ready to fly systems that run on Water and AC mains range $225,000 and up.


Where's the video of your proving flight?


He's going to tell you you have to put up $10 million before he'll
show it to you.

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=...page&q&f=false

All you have to do is be a qualified buyer.


Link doesn't work for me.

If and when you have a video, it would make no commercial sense to
restrict viewing it to qualified buyers. Publish it on YouTube, and
you'll have no shortage of them.


But that means he'd actually have to build something that works BEFORE
he got your money, Sylvia.

--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney


A qualified user who signs a NDA/NCA with me need spend any money prior to you receiving the products and services called for.
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Old January 9th 15, 06:42 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 6:37:42 PM UTC+13, Posting into the ether wrote:
Are you a NZer? Or is he an NZer?

Legal action maybe a waste of effort even if one wins, IMHO.

Trig


It depends on the findings of the Court and the aggressiveness of the collection process. NZ does have treaties with the USA in this connection. As Kim Dotcom found out.

It works the other way too.


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Old January 9th 15, 08:32 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else
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On 9/01/2015 4:38 PM, William Mook wrote:

Patent applications are granted after an examination process by the
Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. The applicant may not
under New Zealand law disclose or publicize in any way any detail for
which patents are being sought.


Convenient for you.

But also wrong, I think, at least once the patent application has been
filed. Care to cite the relevant part of the legislation?

Here's your starting point.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0068/latest/DLM1419043.html

In any case, your video need not reveal how the thing works. A video
from the craft taken from launch to landing would be pretty compelling.

Sylvia.

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Old January 10th 15, 01:04 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 8:32:22 PM UTC+13, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/01/2015 4:38 PM, William Mook wrote:

Patent applications are granted after an examination process by the
Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. The applicant may not
under New Zealand law disclose or publicize in any way any detail for
which patents are being sought.


Convenient for you.


How so? Its actually a damn nuisance, as you pointed out previously.


But also wrong, I think,


I prefer to take the advice of someone who actually practices IP law in NZ rather than your gut instinct.

at least once the patent application has been
filed.


Once the patent has been issued certainly. Prior to that, no information that appears in the application can be made public. Now, those whom you have special relationships with; employees, vendors, clients, who are told that the information is confidential and agree to keep its confidentiality, can see information on a need to know basis.

Care to cite the relevant part of the legislation?


You have already cited the relevant legislation below. Section 76 to 82 discuss when information may be published and the impact of publication on the patent process.

Here's your starting point.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2013/0068/latest/DLM1419043.html


In any case, your video need not reveal how the thing works.


Interesting that you do not know enough to actually read the relevant legislation and see where it limits publication yet now you know enough about what I'm applying for to tell me what a video publication can show and what it cannot show.

A video
from the craft taken from launch to landing would be pretty compelling.


Correct.

Sylvia.


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Old January 10th 15, 01:30 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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Magnesium Alloy AZ31B Sheet 0.5 mm sheet - fabricated into a tank 4690 mm long and 840 mm in diameter.

With 710 kilograms of propellant this means 890.3 kilogram stage weight at this point. Subtracting the propellant and inert weight (without the rotors which have separated) this means a single tank places 150.8 kilograms (332 lbs) into Low Earth Orbit!

Now, seven elements clustered together, form a highly reusable system that puts up 600.0 kilograms (1,320 lbs) into LEO.
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Old January 10th 15, 01:33 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Sylvia Else
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On 10/01/2015 11:04 AM, William Mook wrote:
On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 8:32:22 PM UTC+13, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/01/2015 4:38 PM, William Mook wrote:

Patent applications are granted after an examination process by
the Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. The applicant
may not under New Zealand law disclose or publicize in any way
any detail for which patents are being sought.


Convenient for you.


How so? Its actually a damn nuisance, as you pointed out
previously.


But also wrong, I think,


I prefer to take the advice of someone who actually practices IP law
in NZ rather than your gut instinct.


Why would you assume I posted before looking at the relevant legislation?


at least once the patent application has been filed.


Once the patent has been issued certainly. Prior to that, no
information that appears in the application can be made public. Now,
those whom you have special relationships with; employees, vendors,
clients, who are told that the information is confidential and agree
to keep its confidentiality, can see information on a need to know
basis.

Care to cite the relevant part of the legislation?


You have already cited the relevant legislation below. Section 76 to
82 discuss when information may be published and the impact of
publication on the patent process.


Those sections relate to obligations on the commissioner to publish
certain information.

The relevant section for publication by you is section 57.

"A patent is not invalidated—

(a) by reason only that the invention, so far as claimed in a
claim, has been made available to the public (whether in New Zealand or
elsewhere) on or after the priority date of the claim by written or oral
description, by use, or in any other way;"

Which is the normal state of affairs. Once you've invented something and
filed your patent application, thus establishing your priority date,
you're free to start commercialising it without waiting for the patent
to be granted, secure in the knowledge that, provided the patent is
eventually granted, your interests are protected.

If your IP professional is telling you otherwise, it's time to get
another professional.

Sylvia.
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Old January 11th 15, 03:51 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 1:33:41 PM UTC+13, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 10/01/2015 11:04 AM, William Mook wrote:
On Friday, January 9, 2015 at 8:32:22 PM UTC+13, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 9/01/2015 4:38 PM, William Mook wrote:

Patent applications are granted after an examination process by
the Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. The applicant
may not under New Zealand law disclose or publicize in any way
any detail for which patents are being sought.

Convenient for you.


How so? Its actually a damn nuisance, as you pointed out
previously.


But also wrong, I think,


I prefer to take the advice of someone who actually practices IP law
in NZ rather than your gut instinct.


Why would you assume I posted before looking at the relevant legislation?


Why do you assume I'm talking about what you did online? I merely assume you know less about NZ IP than my patent attorney who practices IP law in NZ.. I believe the assumption is a sound one.

at least once the patent application has been filed.


Once the patent has been issued certainly. Prior to that, no
information that appears in the application can be made public. Now,
those whom you have special relationships with; employees, vendors,
clients, who are told that the information is confidential and agree
to keep its confidentiality, can see information on a need to know
basis.

Care to cite the relevant part of the legislation?


You have already cited the relevant legislation below. Section 76 to
82 discuss when information may be published and the impact of
publication on the patent process.


Those sections relate to obligations on the commissioner to publish
certain information.


Correct.

The relevant section for publication by you is section 57.


Correct. I was looking for that, but glad you found it.

"A patent is not invalidated--

(a) by reason only that the invention, so far as claimed in a
claim, has been made available to the public (whether in New Zealand or
elsewhere) on or after the priority date of the claim by written or oral
description, by use, or in any other way;"

Which is the normal state of affairs. Once you've invented something and
filed your patent application, thus establishing your priority date,
you're free to start commercialising it


Your contention that the USA and NZ are comparable with regard to publicizing information before the priority date is in error. Establishing a priority date is something I can initiate certainly, but must be completed by the NZ patent office - (please look at the helpful flow chart on that website you're reading from) and unlike the USA, I cannot discuss anything until these dates are established by the NZ PO.

without waiting for the patent
to be granted, secure in the knowledge that, provided the patent is
eventually granted, your interests are protected.


Publicity prior to the priority date is the issue. Your contention that the USA and NZ laws are comparable wrt publicity before a priority date is established is in error. Your contention that I have established priority with the NZ patent office is in error. On this basis, your conclusions are wrong.

If your IP professional is telling you otherwise, it's time to get
another professional.


On what basis? That someone on the internet who has no experience whatever in NZ IP knows more than they? lol. I prefer to listen to those here that have actual experience in these matters.

Sylvia.


I have several patents already issued in the USA, and I have some interest in obtaining a range of patents in NZ, but cannot discuss the details of that yet.

The professional I have retained has pointed out to me that the USA allows inventors to market their ideas before the patent office is notified and has accepted the patent. NZ does not have such a lenient view. This is a matter of how each agency is likely to act, based on how they have acted in the past.
 




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