National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden

On 7/9/2010 7:49 AM, Craig Bingman wrote:
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Brian wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:12 -0800, Pat
wrote:

It's highly unlikely the ISS will ever repay even a small part of its
development, construction, and resupply costs in any sort of a tangible
economic way at any point in the future.

If the Salmonella vaccine pans out, it might already have.

I'm not convinced that any of the critical steps on the way to a salmonella
vaccine had anything to do with experiments done in space. Sorry.

According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a
more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make
into a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms.
If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated
into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree.
This sounds like Fred Hoyle's Comet-Borne Flu Germs being done on purpose.


Pat

On 7/9/2010 10:51 AM, Pat Flannery wrote:

In interesting corporate news, one of their big boys just jumped ship on
them:
http://www.marke****ch.com/story/gen...ors-2010-06-17

The big boy in question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_W._Lord
Mighty impressive climb there; from second lieutenant in 1968 to
four-star general in 2002, especially given that he never attended the
Air Force Academy.
And if that name rings a bell in regards to the last administration:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/18/business/18space.html

'The Air Force believes "we must establish and maintain space
superiority," Gen. Lance Lord, who leads the Air Force Space Command,
told Congress recently. "Simply put, it's the American way of fighting."
Air Force doctrine defines space superiority as "freedom to attack as
well as freedom from attack" in space.'

Jeeze, I wish we had one of them Doomsday Machines! ;-)


Pat

On 7/9/2010 9:44 AM, Val Kraut wrote:
According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a
more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make into
a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms.
If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated
into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree.
This sounds like Fred Hoyle's Comet-Borne Flu Germs being done on purpose.

The Andromeda Strain rides again - and so when it comes back and gets loose
the Salmonnella death rate goes up. Sounds like mad science at it's best.
Make a great movie - Salmonella deaths are up - Dustin Hoffman and Rene
Russo trace the outbreaks to returnimg astronauts from the station, Head of
the drug Company and Government types try to get them killed before they
spill the beans.

This is crazier than the Mutated Tomatoes experiments a few years back.

More on the Super Space Bugs he
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...lla-space.html
Space is like the inside of your intestines.
Don't even get me started on what the inside of Uranus is like. ;-)

Pat

On 7/9/2010 1:02 PM, Philip wrote:


Yes it is typical short-term perspective. The economists say that in the
long-run it will all work out. However, in the long-run we'll be dead.

Not if they can get that Space Vaccine against death developed.

Remember - "GRI²N"! (Government Resources Invested In NASA)

Timothy Flannery

Pat Flannery wrote:
According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a
more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make
into a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms.
If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated
into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree.
This sounds like Fred Hoyle's Comet-Borne Flu Germs being done on purpose.

Not to mention Tess Gerritsen's book, Gravity...

http://www.amazon.com/Gravity-Medica.../dp/0671016776


Dave

On 7/9/2010 5:35 PM, David Spain wrote:

This sounds like Fred Hoyle's Comet-Borne Flu Germs being done on
purpose.

Not to mention Tess Gerritsen's book, Gravity...


My favorite is still the flu germs that get carried from Venus to Earth
on the solar wind: http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/vel/1918.htm
In short, flu as a venereal disease. ;-)

Pat

On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:51:33 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:

Interesting had not heard about this. Thanks for sharing. I was aware
there was a lot of research being done, I just had not been paying close
attention to exactly what though.

Although human testing of that vaccine was possibly going to start in
2010 according to the press releases, there has been no new info on it
since last September.

That's not too surprising. If testing was to begin in 2010, I wouldn't
expect to hear results until at least 2011, maybe 2012. We usually
see press releases from a company announcing product testing and the
like, and then nothing, sometimes for years, while that testing
progresses and goes to the FDA for approval.

Brian

On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:01:04 -0800, Pat Flannery
wrote:

According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a
more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make
into a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms.
If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated
into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree.

Sheesh. A little paranoid today, Pat?

If "Captain Tripps" rampages across the country in the next few
months, we'll know why!

Brian

On 7/10/2010 8:44 AM, Brian Thorn wrote:

That's not too surprising. If testing was to begin in 2010, I wouldn't
expect to hear results until at least 2011, maybe 2012. We usually
see press releases from a company announcing product testing and the
like, and then nothing, sometimes for years, while that testing
progresses and goes to the FDA for approval.

In this case though they put in for permission to do human testing last
year...and you never heard if they got approval to do it.
Which makes me suspect they never got the OK to do it, as if they had
they would have announced it, because it certainly would have had a
positive effect on their stock prices.
Astrogenetix doesn't seem to be separately traded from its parent
company Astrotech, but if you think this is going to be a big success,
you may want to buy some Astrotech stock - which at the moment will set
you back a whopping $1.33* per sha
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ASTC...=on&z=m&q=l&c=
This is a very small company BTW, having only 76 full-time employees.
And that's the whole of Astrotech; not just the Astrogenetix subdivision.

*In the last year it got down to $.98 at one point.

Pat

On 7/10/2010 8:46 AM, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:01:04 -0800, Pat
wrote:

According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a
more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make
into a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms.
If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated
into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree.

Sheesh. A little paranoid today, Pat?

I have a sneaking suspicion that nothing important at all occurs to that
Salmonella or MRSA in zero-G, any more than dull razor blades resharpen
themselves if placed inside of a pyramid.
Until I read that zero-G is more like the inside of our intestines than
most earth medical labs can simulate, I had no idea that our innards
were coated with Cavorite. :-D

Pat