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Old May 17th 06, 04:52 PM posted to sci.space.moderated
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Jim Davis wrote:

Percival, Auster, Cierva, Folland, Saunders-Roe, English Electric.
Off the top of my head.



Which of those were around at the end of W.W. II?

Pat

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Pat Flannery wrote:

Percival, Auster, Cierva, Folland, Saunders-Roe, English Electric.
Off the top of my head.



Which of those were around at the end of W.W. II?


All were. Indeed, English Electric was entering its glory years with
the Canberra, Lightning, and TSR.2.

I might have added Parnall. It built its last original design in the
late '30s and was a subcontractor thereafter for airframes but also
the producer of the Fraser-Nash turrets for other aircraft.

Jim Davis

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Jim Davis wrote:



Which of those were around at the end of W.W. II?



All were. Indeed, English Electric was entering its glory years with
the Canberra, Lightning, and TSR.2.

I might have added Parnall. It built its last original design in the
late '30s and was a subcontractor thereafter for airframes but also
the producer of the Fraser-Nash turrets for other aircraft.



If you want to see how the British aeronautical industry died, look at this.
You've got around a hundred brilliant design engineers split up around
twenty-five companies.
Can you imagine, even for a moment, what would have happened if you'd
put all these guys under one roof and let them inspire each other?
Germany attacks Britain with He-111 bombers with the intention of laying
waste to London; Britain responds by attacking Berlin with three hundred
foot wingspan Westland-Hill flying wings powered by Whittle turbine
engines, and flying at five hundred knots and fifty thousand feet. :-)

Pat

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Jim Davis wrote:

I almost forgot; those Westland-Hill "Pteranodon" flying wing bombers
would of course be be based on geodesic framework thanks to Barnes
Wallis at Vickers.
The Battle of Britain would be over inside of a week. :-D

Pat

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Britain responds by attacking Berlin with three hundred foot wingspan Westland-Hill flying wings powered by Whittle turbine engines, and flying at five hundred knots and fifty thousand feet. :-)

Now thats a nice idea...!

Its actually a bit of a myth that the british aviation industry has
died... you'd be surprised how many of those names are still around
just part of strange european companies with far to many letters in
their names...

Anyway a couple of years ago i wrote a short history of the industry
since 1945 on rec.aviation.military... heres the updated, ammended
version...

MW

A brief history of the British Aircraft Industry since 1945...

Armstrong Whitworth: merged with HSA mid 30's. After HS681 vtol
hercules competitor cancelled in 1964 plant closes, Factory now part of
Air Atlantique, add hoc frieght and vintage aircraft operator.

Auster: merges with Miles to form British Execitive and General
Aviation Company, "Beagle" Bought by Fisher Pressed Steel, and then
closed by HM gov when Fisher become part of britsh Leyland...

Avro: merged HSA, then part of BAe, Woodford palnt now final assembly
for Nimrod MRA4

Boulton Paul: Aviation activities, mainly aerostructures and actuator
work, taken over by
Dowty, now part of Smiths Industries

Blackburn: Merged with General Aircraft 1949, then taken over by Hawker
Sidderly (HSA)
then BAe. Brough Factory still extant as main production centere for
Hawk,
also undertakes JSF and Gripen Work.

Bristol: Merged with English Electric, Vickers, Hunting Percival to
form
BAC. Filton works now Airbus centre of excellence for wing design and
composite wing production and european space joint venture Astrium.
Guided Missile Activities now part of MBBD. Helicopter interests to
Westland, closed 2001.

DeHaviland: merged HSA early 60's, Hatfield Plant closed early 90's,
Chester
plant now split between Airbus and Raetheon.

English Electric: Merged Vickers, Bristol, Hunting Percival to form
BAC.
Warton plant now main site for military aircraft final assembly in UK
with
Eurofighter, Nimrod, Hawk and JSF work.

Fairey: Aviation activities taken over by Westland, Hayes factory close

dearly 70's. Fairey now a specialist optical company.

Folland: merged early 60's with HSA, plant sold early 90's to
management as
Hamble Aerostructures, then bought by Dowty, now part of Smiths
Industries.

General Aircraft; Merged Blackburn 1949, all activities then transfered
to
Brough.

Gloster: merged with Hawkers in the mid 1930's to form HSA. Aviation
activities closed early 60's.

Hawker: Formed HSA in early 30's with Armstrong Whitworth and Glosters,

Aviation activities merged with BAC to from BAE in 1977. Non avaition
activities, including Brush locomotives broken up early 90's. All
aviation
plants, Kingston and Dusfold closed 90's.

Handly Page: Recievership 1970, after Sir Fred refuses to merge with
other big groups...

Miles: Initially goes bust late 40's, assests bought by Handly Page.
Miles brothers start up engineering and design consultancy that merges
with Auster to form Beagle. FG Miles later goes on to form simulator
company, sells out to Link Seigler.

Percival: merges with Hunting to produce Hunting percival, later merges
with Bristol and Vickers to form BAC. Luton works closed.

Saunders Roe: Taken over by Westlands/De Haviland 1959. Aviation
interests
to Westlands, other activities, notably at Beaumaris to DeHaviland.
Cowes
works subsiquently merges with the rump of Supermarine to form British
Hovercraft Corporation. Company at first jointly owned by
Westlands/Vickers,
Vickers later bought out by Westlands. After Hovercraft production
tails of
company specialise in Aerostructures as Westland Aerostructures.
Westlands
subsequently bought by GKN. Now know as GKN Aviation services. Cowes
works
recently closed.

Scotish Aviation: Bought by Cammel Lairds Shipyard of Birkenhead
early 1970's. When Shipbuilding interests nationalised in 1977, SA
merged with HSA and BAC to form BAe. After jetstream production ends
factory specialises in aerostructures, recently sold to Spirit
aerostructures.

Shorts. Nationalised company (never part of BAe strangly... ) sold to
Bombadier late 80's. Now specialist aerostructures work concentrating
on fuselage design for Lear and Canadair as was. Missiles interests to
Thales, Armoured cars to Bae Sytems Australia...

Supermarine: see Saro.

Vickers: Merges with English Electric, Bristol, Hunting Percival to
form
BAC, then merges with HSA to form BAE. All aviation factories closed.

Westland: Took over Bristol, Saro and Fairey's helicopter interests
early
60's, merged Agusta Spa 1999.

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*From:* Pat Flannery
*Date:* Wed, 17 May 2006 20:08:39 -0400

Jim Davis wrote:

I almost forgot; those Westland-Hill "Pteranodon" flying wing bombers
would of course be be based on geodesic framework thanks to Barnes
Wallis at Vickers.
The Battle of Britain would be over inside of a week. :-D

Pat


I certainly wonder what would have happened if Whittle had proper
government support when he first mooted his ideas, not having to soldier
on on his own for ten years or so.

Although I don't suppose a jet-powered Mosquito would have been that
safe :-)

 




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