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  #1  
Old January 4th 08, 11:36 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
Max Keon
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:
BURT wrote:

Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
Light is redshifted on its way out.


Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp"The first confirmation of a
long range variation in the speed of light travelling in space came in
1964. Irwin Shapiro, it seems, was the first to make use of a
previously forgotten facet of general relativity theory -- that the
speed of light is reduced when it passes through a gravitational
field.... Faced with this evidence, Einstein stated:"In the second
place our result shows that, according to the general theory of
relativity, the law of the constancy of the velocity of light in
vacuo, which constitutes one of the two fundamental assumptions in the
special theory of relativity and to which we have already frequently
referred, cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of
light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light
varies with position."......Today we find that since the Special
Theory of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called
mainstream science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that
the speed of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat
surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light
in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for
the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity.
One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2)
where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the
measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."


Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent with Einstein's
1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook formula

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


This is the blurb given in "Basic Physics 2 by S.L.Martin and
A.K.Connor", (1960+ vintage), briefly describing the purpose of
the Pound and Rebka experiment.
"In 1958 an effect was discovered by Mossbauer, working in U.S.A
and known as the Mossbauer effect, which enabled very tiny
frequency differences to be detected and measured. In 1960, using
the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded in measuring the
extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14) of frequency
of the y-rays emitted by a sample of radioactive iron when it
was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower 74
feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."

According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

The problem is that, according to your equation, even a
1.4e+21 hz gamma ray only generates a change of 1 part in
1.4e+21.

f = 1.4e+21
f'= f(1+Va/c^2) = 1400000000000000152270.8112313668
f'= f(1+Vb/c^2) = 1400000000000000152269.7130157148
The difference is 1.098, which is near enough to 1 added cycle
in 1.4e+21 cycles.

A 1.4e+21 hz gamma ray generates a frequency change of only 1
part per 1.4e+21 cycles, when the observed change was 1 part in
4e+14 cycles. That's 3.5 million times less than observed. That's
a long way short of the 5% accuracy claim, isn't it?

But what did the experiment prove anyway? It seems to have only
demonstrated that the gamma ray was created in an entirely
different environment to the one in which most other natural
oscillators function.

The charge structure of the Caesium atom configuration that
drives the oscillator of an atomic clock, obviously functions in
the realm outside a proton or neutron, as apparently do the
natural oscillators which generate the characteristic spectral
lines of an atom. All of these oscillators obey the same rule,
that the rate of oscillation increases with increasing distance
from a gravity source.

The wavelength of a gamma ray is short enough to have been
generated entirely within a proton, requiring that there be
some sort of charge structure configuration within, which will
resonate in tune within the proton (black hole) confines. We only
see it when part of it escapes.

It's more likely that the increasingly "intense" environment
deeper into a gravity well is going to increase, rather than
decrease the forces acting to restrain the proton contents, hence
the frequency increases.

The truth is that time (not clocks) runs faster with increasing
depth.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/the1-1a.html

-----

Max Keon



  #2  
Old January 4th 08, 10:42 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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"Eric Gisse" wrote in message
...

Mitch Raemsch aka BURT wrote:
Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
Light is redshifted on its way out.

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp ...
.... since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. One can find his calculation in his paper.
The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational
potential relative to the point where the measurement is
taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent
with Einstein's 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook
formula: --- frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

"Max Keon" wrote:
In 1960, using the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded
in measuring the extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14)
of frequency of the ** y-rays ** emitted by a sample of radioactive iron
when it was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower
74 feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."
According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

[Eric Gisse]
Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.
[snip remaining]

[hanson]
It is not very clear what Potential *energy* Eric is talking about
and for that matter what force. When I look at Eric's equation of
Potential energy = GM/r where presumably G = L^3*M^-1*T^-2
then Eric's Potential energy becomes a phenomenon, an event,
with the dimension of L^2/T^2, a squared velocity, which is as
mysterious as are Keon's "y-rays"... but both of which appear
to produce a mutual benefit for the mysterious term of "idiot".
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson



  #3  
Old January 5th 08, 02:18 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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ahahaha... ahahahaha... Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo,
who Dunno aka sa_ge at comcast.net wrote in message
...

Mitch Raemsch aka BURT wrote:
Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
Light is redshifted on its way out.

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp ...
.... since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. One can find his calculation in his paper.
The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational
potential relative to the point where the measurement is
taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent
with Einstein's 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook
formula: --- frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

"Max Keon" wrote:
In 1960, using the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded
in measuring the extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14)
of frequency of the ** y-rays ** emitted by a sample of radioactive iron
when it was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower
74 feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."
According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

[Eric Gisse]
wrote in message

Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.
[snip remaining]

[hanson]
It is not very clear what Potential *energy* Eric is talking about
and for that matter what force. When I look at Eric's equation of
Potential energy = GM/r where presumably G = L^3*M^-1*T^-2
then Eric's Potential energy becomes a phenomenon, an event,
with the dimension of L^2/T^2, a squared velocity, which is as
mysterious as are Keon's "y-rays"... but both of which appear
to produce a mutual benefit for the mysterious term of "idiot".
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

[Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno quipped]:
which makes the term V/c^2 adimensional, as it should
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...5/35092155.JPG

[hanson]
.... ahahahaha... Eric clearly stated **energy**, and not some
other item, issue or term, which makes you, Karandash aka
"Dono", the Homo, who Dunno really look like an "adimensional"...
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...5/35092155.JPG
.... crackpot, in addition to all the other characteristics that he
Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno has posted
and attributed to himself lately , such as when he, the "fa_ge-le",
aka sa_ge at comcast.net said that he was a
http://eldoradoclub.net/images/wacko-lg_1_.gif
and to boot also insists that he is
http://devilskitchen-chilli.co.uk/Liquid%20Stoopid.jpg
and then he proudly claims to be a
http://www.movv.com/prvupload/upload...etard_stfu.jpg
and adds one more confession to his own wrap sheet stating
that he is a
http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-con.../08/retard.jpg
and presenting himself in grand style in/as
http://www.ntoddblog.org/photos/atriots/asshat.jpg
and reveals a picture of himself to reassert that he Karandash
aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno has realized that he is the
http://shop.abc.net.au/multimediaite...s/5/500188.jpg

.... but most of all the mysterious term of "idiot". will benefit you,
Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno the most.
..... ahahaha...

Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson





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Old January 5th 08, 04:57 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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On Jan 4, 6:18 pm, "hanson" STILL says:

ahahaha... ahahahaha... Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo,
who Dunno aka sa_ge at comcast.net wrote in message
...
...

Mitch Raemsch aka BURT wrote:
Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
Light is redshifted on its way out.

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp ...
.... since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. One can find his calculation in his paper.
The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational
potential relative to the point where the measurement is
taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent
with Einstein's 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook
formula: --- frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

"Max Keon" wrote:
In 1960, using the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded
in measuring the extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14)
of frequency of the ** y-rays ** emitted by a sample of radioactive iron
when it was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower
74 feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."
According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

[Eric Gisse]
wrote in message

Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.
[snip remaining]

[hanson]
It is not very clear what Potential *energy* Eric is talking about
and for that matter what force. When I look at Eric's equation of
Potential energy = GM/r where presumably G = L^3*M^-1*T^-2
then Eric's Potential energy becomes a phenomenon, an event,
with the dimension of L^2/T^2, a squared velocity, which is as
mysterious as are Keon's "y-rays"... but both of which appear
to produce a mutual benefit for the mysterious term of "idiot".
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

[Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno quipped]:
which makes the term V/c^2 adimensional, as it should
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...5/35092155.JPG

[hanson]
.... ahahahaha... Eric clearly stated **energy**, and not some
other item, issue or term, which makes you, Karandash aka
"Dono", the Homo, who Dunno really look like an "adimensional"...
http://www.dkimages.com/discover/pre...5/35092155.JPG
.... crackpot, in addition to all the other characteristics that he
Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno has posted
and attributed to himself lately , such as when he, the "fa_ge-le",
aka sa_ge at comcast.net said that he was a
http://eldoradoclub.net/images/wacko-lg_1_.gif
and to boot also insists that he is
http://devilskitchen-chilli.co.uk/Liquid%20Stoopid.jpg
and then he proudly claims to be a
http://www.movv.com/prvupload/upload...etard_stfu.jpg
and adds one more confession to his own wrap sheet stating
that he is a
http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-con.../08/retard.jpg
and presenting himself in grand style in/as
http://www.ntoddblog.org/photos/atriots/asshat.jpg
and reveals a picture of himself to reassert that he Karandash
aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno has realized that he is the
http://shop.abc.net.au/multimediaite...s/5/500188.jpg

.... but most of all the mysterious term of "idiot". will benefit you,
Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno the most.
..... ahahaha...

Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson







  #5  
Old January 5th 08, 04:57 AM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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"John C. Polasek" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:42:29 GMT, "hanson" wrote:

"Eric Gisse" wrote in message
...

Mitch Raemsch aka BURT wrote:
Light is blueshifted on its way into gravity.
Light is redshifted on its way out.

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Sometimes even Einsteinians explain this correctly:
http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp ...
... since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the
Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der
Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the
gravitational potential. One can find his calculation in his paper.
The result is c'= c(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational
potential relative to the point where the measurement is
taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT FACTOR."

Pentcho Valev wrote:
Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL
REDSHIFT obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent
with Einstein's 1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook
formula: --- frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)

"Max Keon" wrote:
In 1960, using the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded
in measuring the extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14)
of frequency of the ** y-rays ** emitted by a sample of radioactive iron
when it was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower
74 feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."
According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427

[Eric Gisse]
Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.
[snip remaining]

[hanson]
It is not very clear what Potential *energy* Eric is talking about
and for that matter what force. When I look at Eric's equation of
Potential energy = GM/r where presumably G = L^3*M^-1*T^-2
then Eric's Potential energy becomes a phenomenon, an event,
with the dimension of L^2/T^2, a squared velocity, which is as
mysterious as are Keon's "y-rays"... but both of which appear
to produce a mutual benefit for the mysterious term of "idiot".
Thanks for the laughs, guys... ahahahaha... ahahahanson

[John C. Polasek]
I'll just add this so you don't make such an ass of yourself.
The potential energy MG/4 is equal to V^2/2 terminal velocity if
dropped from infinity to R.
John Polasek

[hanson]
..... ahahahahaha... But John, it is not clear here who that "you"
really is, because **energy**, potential of otherwise, is defined
as a dimensional identify of M*L^2/T^2 and hence MG/(4 or n)
will have the dimension of M * L^3*M^-1*T^-2 = L^3/T^2 which
is NOT any velocity^2. --- v^2 has a L^2/T^2 dimension.

So, John do clarify your statement or you may fall victim to the
same queer mentation as does Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo,
who Dunno aka sa_ge at comcast.net who has posted and
attributed to himself lately , that he, the "fa_ge-le", was a
http://eldoradoclub.net/images/wacko-lg_1_.gif
and to boot also insists that he is
http://devilskitchen-chilli.co.uk/Liquid%20Stoopid.jpg
and then he proudly claims to be a
http://www.movv.com/prvupload/upload...etard_stfu.jpg
and adds one more confession to his own wrap sheet stating
that he is a
http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-con.../08/retard.jpg
and presenting himself in grand style in/as
http://www.ntoddblog.org/photos/atriots/asshat.jpg
and reveals a picture of himself to reassert that he Karandash
aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno has realized that he is the
http://shop.abc.net.au/multimediaite...s/5/500188.jpg

Thanks for the laughs... ahahaha... ahahahanson



  #6  
Old January 5th 08, 02:45 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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Hi Homo Dono,
you got caught with your pants down again, ******ing, as ususal:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8277c5351b9462
Thanks for the laughs....ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahahanson



  #7  
Old January 5th 08, 04:09 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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Hi Homo Dono,
you got caught with your pants down again, ******ing, as ususal:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...8277c5351b9462
Thanks for the laughs....ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahahanson


  #8  
Old January 5th 08, 07:45 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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ahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahahaha... ahahahaha...
He gave me the microphone again to repeat to the word that
*** sa_ge at comcast.net, the fa_ge-le aka
*** Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno
has characterized himself as a
(1) crackpot,
(2) a Stoopid
(3) wacko, and being
(4) a retard of a
(5) Super retard who dons his
(6) asshat and who is
(7) "releasing his imbecile within".... ahahaha...

*** Karandash aka "Dono", the Homo, who Dunno
has scoured the web to find himself ...and he did.... 7 times:
(1) http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/855/35092155.JPG
(2) http://devilskitchen-chilli.co.uk/Liquid%20Stoopid.jpg
(3) http://eldoradoclub.net/images/wacko-lg_1_.gif
(4) http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-con.../08/retard.jpg
(5) http://www.movv.com/prvupload/upload...etard_stfu.jpg
(6) http://www.ntoddblog.org/photos/atriots/asshat.jpg
(7) http://shop.abc.net.au/multimediaite...mages/5/500188


Now "Dono", we all "Do know"... and thanks for the laughs.
ahahaha... ahahahanson

PS:
Shall I attach that wonderful cv of yours, above, to ever post you make?
I think I will do you that favor... ahahaha....





  #9  
Old January 5th 08, 09:57 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
hanson
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"Dono" wrote that he is very happy over this:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...559824a304ee54
and he handed me the microphone again to spread his word.




  #10  
Old January 6th 08, 11:39 PM posted to sci.physics,sci.physics.relativity,rec.org.mensa,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro
Max Keon
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"Eric Gisse" wrote in message
...
On Jan 4, 2:36 am, "Max Keon" wrote:
Pentcho Valev wrote:

---
Pound and Rebka found experimentally that the GRAVITATIONAL REDSHIFT
obeys the equation f'= f(1+V/c^2), which is consistent with Einstein's
1911 equation c'= c(1+V/c^2) and the textbook formula

frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength)


This is the blurb given in "Basic Physics 2 by S.L.Martin and
A.K.Connor", (1960+ vintage), briefly describing the purpose of
the Pound and Rebka experiment.
"In 1958 an effect was discovered by Mossbauer, working in U.S.A
and known as the Mossbauer effect, which enabled very tiny
frequency differences to be detected and measured. In 1960, using
the Mossbauer effect, Pound and Rebka succeeded in measuring the
extremely small change (only about 1 part in 4e+14) of frequency
of the y-rays emitted by a sample of radioactive iron when it
was moved from the bottom of the tower to the top of a tower 74
feet high. The observed frequency change agreed with the
relativity prediction within 5%."

According to your equation f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra ^ 2 = 9.7888378648735791276869837432118
Vb = G * M / rb ^ 2 = 9.7887672652959533370556770582427


Potential energy is GM/r, idiot. You wrote down force.


I was under the impression that potential energy _increases_ with
altitude? GM/r does the opposite. Anything at rest at the Earth's
center of mass can't have potential energy, surely? Perhaps you
were referring to something other than gravitational potential,
although it wouldn't seem to be relevant for this case.

Anyway, here are the updated figures according to your
correction.

According to f'= f(1+V/c^2)
V(a) and V(b) for the tower base and tower top is:
G = 6.67E-11
M = 5.97E+24
ra = 6378000 Tower base radii
rb = 6378023 Tower top radii (+23 meters (74 feet) high)
Va = G * M / ra = 62433207.902163687676387582314205
Vb = G * M / rb = 62432982.759704692190667860558044

f = 1.4e+21
f'= f(1+Va/c^2) = 1400000000971183234033.6573638549
f'= f(1+Vb/c^2) = 1400000000971179731817.6285451882

The difference is now 3502216 added cycles in 1.4e+21 cycles,
which is near enough to what is observed.

Previously:
A 1.4e+21 hz gamma ray generates a frequency change of only 1
part per 1.4e+21 cycles, when the observed change was 1 part in
4e+14 cycles. That's 3.5 million times less than observed. That's
a long way short of the 5% accuracy claim, isn't it?


I knew my reasoning was in error somewhere, that's why I posted it.
Your help is appreciated.

But getting back to the other point of the post. What did the
experiment prove?

All E/M radiation was necessarily created by a charge interaction
somewhere, and that's a mandatory requirement for gamma rays (and
neutrinos) as well. So why do gamma ray frequencies decrease with
altitude while the frequencies of most other natural oscillators
increase? e.g. Atomic clocks, spectral line absorption and
emission. And even Big Ben.

Now don't nod off here because you really need to pay attention.
This formula G*M/(r*c^2) gives the clock slowing rate per
second according to radius, while f'= f*(1+V/c^2) , which
becomes f' = f*(1+(G*M/r)/c^2) , gives the frequency change
rate per radius from a gravity source. But there is a catch22
in that the two formulae contradict each other.

These are the results from the two formulae, for the Earth
surface radius and for a (e.g.) GPS satellite radius.
f = 1.4e21

r = 6378000
6.937e-10 sec/sec clock speed slowing rate.
1.400000000971183e21 cycles per second.

r = 26570000
1.665e-10 sec/sec clock speed slowing rate.
1.400000000233128e21 cycles per second.

Notice that the clock speed slowing rate has decreased in the
second set of figures, meaning that time is running faster. Then
notice that frequency has also decreased, meaning that time is
running slower.

That's a very obvious contradiction, and it comes about because
gamma rays are created in an entirely different environment to
the natural oscillators listed above, an environment which is
in complete isolation, as it would be if it took place in a black
hole.

The inner workings of a proton-neutron only appear in the
conversion between proton and neutron states. That's a fair
indication that the proton-neutron is a black hole.

The divergence angle of a ray emerging through what would be the
smallest possible opening in a black hole event horizon will also
be close to zero, giving rise to the illusion of a particle
transmission of light.

But whatever the case, what has been proven is that, in the realm
where a gamma ray is created, the natural interaction rate alters
according to f'= f(1+V/c^2). I really can't grumble about that
because it's what I would expect anyway.

-----

Max Keon



 




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