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Old February 15th 05, 03:03 AM
Joann Evans
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Working in a factory (like the ones where many Chinese female workers
work), sniping, living in micro-G enviroment and operating things do no
require a strong and resistant creature.



And how much factory work have you done?


That's why even a computer is able to do those things. Or maybe you
think that women have the same intelligence, fragility, and
delicateness as a computer?



Until real AI comes, there are still a great many general and
unpredictable circumstances that computers can't handle.

Remember, this is one of the reasons we have 'manned' space flight at
all...


Frankly, I don't why some women wanted to do all of those hard works
when they can instead use men to do those things for them.



Men aren't as easily manipulated as you may think (and there's often
*some* price to be paid, even when it works)...

And you clearly can't imagine a non-male wanting to live and thrive
through personal efforts and acheivements, or something other than
through 'using' men.


Maybe it's the sign of lack intelligence? Or the sign of being able to
be manipulated to rebel against a stable situtation to make into a
chaos situation? Or maybe both?



Half of all marriages in the US end in divorce. And most middle-class
people are approxamately 2-4 paychecks away from living on the street.
Who, exactly, lives in a 'stable situation?' Please introduce me to
them.

Life is chaotic. (and I mean in the mathematical sense of being a
non-linear thing that's difficult to predict very far into the
future...not unlike weather)


You decide.

Just remember the incident that took place at the Garden that is
located East of Eden?



And if I don't happen to believe in that particular piece of religous
teaching?


Things went quite smoothly, until someone provocate a woman to ruin
things.



Ever heard of Lysistrada?


Personally, I'm against in putting a woman or two or more in a
spaceship to Mars with a crew of the majority of them are male. Unless
you are talking about a sending a WHOLE city or maybe a village into
Mars, if you want to to do it, do it community style.

There's a reason on why submarines never took women aboard when they
are doing their three months long mission.



Yes, it's that the military has a long tradition (slowly changing) of
not placing women in combat situations.

Are you saying that people we can trust with a multi-billion Mars
spacecraft, can't also trust to act like professionals?

Or that groups of men can't get into trouble by themselves? Check out
any large prison.


One of the reasons of not doing it is not because the women aren't
capable, but because due to social tensions that will probably cause
major conflicts aboard the submarine.

Now... If you want to send as a ship to Mars with women aboard, I
suggest doing it with a father and daughters team. One father with his
daughters.


Okay, you mean I can be a middle-aged adult woman who has the
appropriate education and scientific and/or engineering credentials to
go to Mars...but I still need Daddy to be a chaperone?

Get real.

And make sure that your hypothetical father has no history of sexual
abuse. You've handed him the perfect situation...no one to stop him,
within tens of millions of miles...

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Old February 15th 05, 03:12 AM
Joann Evans
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Pat Flannery wrote:

Rand Simberg wrote:

As long as morons like you aren't on the crew, it's unlikely that it
would be a problem.



God, but I'd like to see you, Robert Zubrin, and Harlan Ellison on a
Mars ship together...could even a Orion booster get that mass of ego
airborne?

Pat



I don't know, I think the crew selection alone, is asking for a
supercritical mass...

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Old February 15th 05, 04:48 AM
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Eric Chomko wrote:

: Well, not really.

It is the "any other creature" phrase that is blatantly scary.



Yeah, especially since I wrote "anyone else" not "anything else"...
I never should have done those "Lil' Kiki the Gerbil" postings, should I?
Rand's got down as into bestiality, William Mook thinks I am some sort
of pederast, and what I really get the hots for in bed is peanut butter
crackers and Jane.
Jane's "All The Worlds Aircraft" that is. ;-)

Pat
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Old February 15th 05, 08:16 AM
Peter Stickney
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In article ,
Pat Flannery writes:


Eric Chomko wrote:

: Well, not really.

It is the "any other creature" phrase that is blatantly scary.



Yeah, especially since I wrote "anyone else" not "anything else"...
I never should have done those "Lil' Kiki the Gerbil" postings, should I?
Rand's got down as into bestiality, William Mook thinks I am some sort
of pederast, and what I really get the hots for in bed is peanut butter
crackers and Jane.
Jane's "All The Worlds Aircraft" that is. ;-)


Jane's has, unfortunately, not kept herself up, and since William
Green left her, she's been apparently hanging out with the Editors of
Tiger Beat. Try something more Brassey('s) instead. Much more
satisfying.
It's terrible to watch a good reference go bad.

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Old February 15th 05, 10:43 AM
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 17:57:55 -0500
"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote:

So now we're sending post-menopausal women to Mars?


If medical scientists in the space program can really get a handle on
microgravity related issues like calcium loss, then they will be able to
improve the life of lots of older people and probably extend their
lives.

For once the stated goal of the ISS, microgravity research, makes sense
to me.
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Old February 15th 05, 11:22 AM
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Michael Smith wrote:


But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to
live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

More women would satisfy this requirement than men, so using Grigoryev's
own argument it should be women going to Mars.


ISTR there's an old article on this on NasaWatch somewhere.

Apart from being generally smaller, womens' superior social skills were
noted as an advantage.

'though from my work experience, I think as long as they behave mixed groups
work a lot better than either all male groups (which get blokey and macho)
and all female groups (which get catty and trivial).
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Old February 15th 05, 05:57 PM
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Rand Simberg wrote:

No doubt, but I have other more subtle and effective ways to determine
that a priori than they apparently did.



Lack of sexual assault convictions for starters. :-)

Pat
 




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