Leap second proposal

On Dec 29, 1:33*am, palsing wrote:

Just because you don't understand does not mean it is not true.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...514938133_2524...

Ignorance indeed ! - when a community insists that the Earth doesn't
turn once in a day and cannot support something as historically and
technically obvious as the Lat/Long system in tandem with the 24 hour
AM/PM cycle then there is no such thing as astronomy .

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

Breaking with astronomical tradition by inserting a bogus 'solar vs
sidereal' explanation is one thing,blatantly rewriting the same bogus
falsehood in a new and more vague format is truly the act of a
disreputable bunch whether they believe in what they write or not.

Never have such a large group of people acted against human
understanding and for so long and although there appears to be a
superficial arguments between the new and older strains of
empiricism,you are all bound within the rotating celestial sphere of
homocentricity that some call 'relativity' of time,space and motion.

As long as variants in Ra/Dec reasoning exist,astronomy is not
practiced and great damage is being done by promoting historical
characters who acted against human progress in astronomy and
terrestrial sciences,even the great innovation of accurate watches
which maintain the facts of a round and rotating Earth.It is not easy
to suffer being on the wrong side of human endeavor but that is where
the empirical community is right now,a type of totalitarianism that
has a stranglehold on the wider world in its ability to morph concepts
without apology or what was previously believed .

At least people stand a chance of helping others escape your fate and
the narrow minded ideology that constitutes a vicious empiricism.











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On Dec 29, 1:33 am, palsing wrote:

Just because you don't understand does not mean it is not true.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...514938133_2524...

Ignorance indeed !
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Too right you are. **** off to a medical newsgroup and tell them to bring
back
blood-letting, preferably yours.

oriel36 wrote:
On Dec 28, 5:57 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
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On Dec 28, 9:18 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









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On Dec 28, 8:19 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

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On Dec 28, 7:11 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

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On Dec 28, 6:51 am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

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On Dec 27, 5:18 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"

wrote:
Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell
you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.

But then you're evil too, because you try to lead people away from
the
truth of Special Relativity as given to us by Einstein.

I would prefer to think that like Oriel, you have good intentions -
but are sadly mistaken about physics.

John Savard
================================================== = I'd
prefer you to think, too, but I have little hope of you being
capable
of a task of such enormous magnitude.
You may be polite, but you are a fool and a bigot.
Unlike Kelleher I focus in on each of Einstein's blunders, without
obfuscation,
and I am willing to discuss any point you raise, but you refuse to
listen
and
trust Einstein because the other sheep do. That's not science,
that's
religion. You're evil too, because you try to lead people away from
the
truth of Galilean Physics as given to us by the Holy Prophets
Kepler,
Newton, Doppler, Faraday and Michelson.
Why am I evil for pointing out Einstein's mathematical blunders?

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

You pair go enjoy yourselves
=========================== You go **** off and die, you evil lying thug.

You had Harrison's words in front of you
====================================== I've never read anything
by Harrison so you can **** off and die, you
EVIL
LYING thug.

It is always in the nature of those who hate to turn their faces away
from what is good and right
================================================== ===== It is always
the nature of an evil arsehole like you to lie.
Amateur clock driven telescope mounts turn the telescope at a rate of
361 degrees in 24 hours, 15.042 degrees/hour, 15.042 arc minutes/minute,
15.042 arc seconds/second, 366.256 sidereal days per year to a precision
of 3 decimal places, without any irrelevant latitude or longitude
information needed by the clock drive.

The Lat/Long system
=================== I said nothing about any lat/long system.
Any navigator who circumnavigates the world in one year keeping Sirius or
Orion
in sight every night, leaving on Xmas Day and arriving on Xmas day the next
year
will record 366 days in his log, one day more than the family he left at
home.

Keep Sirius in sight every day ! - good luck with that !.You might get
another reader here to explain why that doesn't happen as the orbital
motion of the Earth puts Sirius behind the glare of the central Sun
for a period of time every year,they might even appreciate themselves
that the emergence of Sirius from behind the glare of the Sun as the
Earth moved along its orbital circuit once coincided with the
inundation of the Nile thereby beginning the fundamental unit of
timekeeping.

Actually you can see Sirius during the day. Like Venus it's bright enough
to be visible at noon if you know where to look.
But the best way to find Sirius in daytime is to use telescope on an
equatorial mount.
You show your ignorance all the time in your posts and your belief that an
equatorial mount is not aligned with the meridian is an example of this
ignorance.
In the days before goto telescopes the astronomical society I belonged to
were asked by a vey rich but inexperienced amateur to help her observe
planets with a minimum of setting up time. An essential component of the
process we set up for her was a sidereal time clock running on a Commodore
Pet.




You are a refugee from the relativity forum and it is fine to chance
your arm at astronomy among your own kind but not here and you
discover to look foolish fairly quickly when you don;t know what you
are talking about.

I've never read anything by Harrison so you can **** off and die, you EVIL
LYING thug.


You can read how the Lat/Long system works with daily rotation and the
24 hour cycle where time differences can be converted into distance
and it was Harrison himself who first created a set of Equation of
Time tables which include February 29th as the final day/rotation of 4
orbital circuits.

I assure you that when you wake tomorrow,you will wake to another
rotation of the Earth and the next day and the day after that.It is
being human to acknowledge this primary fact and that is how you know
where you stand.

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.
The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

On Dec 29, 12:30*pm, Mike Collins wrote:

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.

Now the process of rewriting history that was always the sign of a
totalitarian regime,after years of insisting the Earth turns 1465
times in 1461 days or 4 complete rotations off the actual value where
24 hour cycles and rotations keep in step,the switch is to speaking of
clock accuracy beginning with Harrison.

You are only acting according to your nature but it doesn't account
for everyone,the sudden shift away from the 'solar vs sidereal'
fiction to the new story which assigns a 24 hour rotation in the year
1820 would normally have signaled that rewriting fiction to support
more of the same is crippling astronomy and terrestrial sciences.


The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

I don't have enemies,I have astronomical tradition on my side, a love
of creation and human understanding of it and by God,no student
interested in astronomy and terrestrial sciences will ever suffer
again from the most dishonest and fraudulent bunch of people ever to
set foot on the planet.

You answer to a new story now,one that is equally as bad as the last
one -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

None of you have the right to rewrite history and that is exactly what
is happening to suit the satellite era.

oriel36 wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:30 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.

Now the process of rewriting history that was always the sign of a
totalitarian regime,after years of insisting the Earth turns 1465
times in 1461 days or 4 complete rotations off the actual value where
24 hour cycles and rotations keep in step,the switch is to speaking of
clock accuracy beginning with Harrison.

You are only acting according to your nature but it doesn't account
for everyone,the sudden shift away from the 'solar vs sidereal'
fiction to the new story which assigns a 24 hour rotation in the year
1820 would normally have signaled that rewriting fiction to support
more of the same is crippling astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

As usual you are wrong. Until the 1820s the second was not well enough
defined to accurately measure the length of the mean solar day.
The changing day length is demonstrated by geology. And also the regression
of the Moon's orbit which is linked to this is measured using the laser
reflectors left on the Moon. You've snipped any reference to this from
previous posts so you can't pretend you never knew.



The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

I don't have enemies,I have astronomical tradition on my side, a love
of creation and human understanding of it and by God,no student
interested in astronomy and terrestrial sciences will ever suffer
again from the most dishonest and fraudulent bunch of people ever to
set foot on the planet.

You answer to a new story now,one that is equally as bad as the last
one -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

None of you have the right to rewrite history and that is exactly what
is happening to suit the satellite era.

I note you snipped this from my post. Or maybe you were trying to rewrite
history.

Actually you can see Sirius during the day. Like Venus it's bright enough
to be visible at noon if you know where to look. But the best way to find
Sirius in daytime is to use telescope on an equatorial mount. You show your
ignorance all the time in your posts and your belief that an equatorial
mount is not aligned with the meridian is an example of this ignorance. In
the days before goto telescopes the astronomical society I belonged to were
asked by a vey rich but inexperienced amateur to help her observe planets
with a minimum of setting up time. An essential component of the process we
set up for her was a sidereal time clock running on a Commodore Pet.

"oriel36" wrote in message
...

On Dec 29, 12:30 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the
start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.

Now the process of rewriting history that was always the sign of a
totalitarian regime,after years of insisting the Earth turns 1465
times in 1461 days or 4 complete rotations off the actual value where
24 hour cycles and rotations keep in step,the switch is to speaking of
clock accuracy beginning with Harrison.

You are only acting according to your nature but it doesn't account
for everyone,the sudden shift away from the 'solar vs sidereal'
fiction to the new story which assigns a 24 hour rotation in the year
1820 would normally have signaled that rewriting fiction to support
more of the same is crippling astronomy and terrestrial sciences.


The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

I don't have enemies,I have astronomical tradition on my side, a love
of creation and human understanding of it and by God,no student
interested in astronomy and terrestrial sciences will ever suffer
again from the most dishonest and fraudulent bunch of people ever to
set foot on the planet.

You answer to a new story now,one that is equally as bad as the last
one -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

None of you have the right to rewrite history and that is exactly what
is happening to suit the satellite era.

============================================
You may not have enemies, Kelleher, but you have no friends either.
Whether you like it or not, since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds and there is not a thing you or anyone else can
do about it. Gripe all you want to, nothing will change, nothing CAN change.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

On Dec 29, 3:56*pm, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Dec 29, 12:30 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.

Now the process of rewriting history that was always the sign of a
totalitarian regime,after years of insisting the Earth turns 1465
times in 1461 days or 4 complete rotations off the actual value where
24 hour cycles and rotations keep in step,the switch is to speaking of
clock accuracy beginning with Harrison.

You are only acting according to your nature but it doesn't account
for everyone,the sudden shift away from the 'solar vs sidereal'
fiction to the new story which assigns a 24 hour rotation in the year
1820 would normally have signaled that rewriting fiction to support
more of the same is crippling astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

As usual you are wrong. Until the 1820s the second was not well enough
defined to accurately measure the length of the mean solar day.


The new story is that in the year 1820,the Earth turned once in
exactly 24 hours and now has diverged from a tiny fraction in order to
posit the assertion that the Earth is slowing down and the need to
sever the ties between daily rotation and accurate clocks.It is not
that you are unrepentant or unapologetic- you simply have this
unfortunate ability not to see what you don't want to and a trait
that is pronounced among empiricists -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

So,the error becomes compounded as the Ra/Dec reckoning insists on a
mindnumbing 1465 rotations in 1461 days while now retaining rotation
once in 24 hours.

The changing day length is demonstrated by geology. And also the regression
of the Moon's orbit which is linked to this is measured using the laser
reflectors left on the Moon. You've snipped any reference to this from
previous posts so you can't pretend you never knew.


The empirical mind,if it can be called that,descends into unlimited
assertions when faced with something as simple as one 24 hour day and
one rotation keeping in step and how this beautiful fact is an
outgrowth of the original set of references which uses the daily
return of the central Star and the annual return of a distant star
where they mesh as a proportion that reduces to 365 1/4 rotations per
circuit and formatted naturally as 3 years of 365 rotations and 1 year
of 366 rotations.As daily rotation is an entirely separate motion to
orbital motion,the 1/4 day left out for 4 years/4 annual circuits is
picked up by the naturally occurring day/rotation that was originally
noticed by the Egyptians using Sirius.















The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

I don't have enemies,I have astronomical tradition on my side, a love
of creation and human understanding of it and by God,no student
interested in astronomy and terrestrial sciences will ever suffer
again from the most dishonest and fraudulent bunch of people ever to
set foot on the planet.

You answer to a new story now,one that is equally as bad as the last
one -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." *NASA

None of you have the right to rewrite history and that is exactly what
is happening to suit the satellite era.

I note you snipped this from my post. Or maybe you were trying to rewrite
history.


How dare any of you take liberties with humanity's astronomical
heritage !,what right have any of you to knowingly turn the most
productive and creative discipline that governs all other sciences
into an intellectual desert for the sake of a few late 17th century
numbskulls who decided to model stellar circumpolar motion using the
Earth's dynamics within the confines of the civil calendar system ?.

The ultimate choice empiricists have allowed themselves above all the
other unlimited choices and assertions is the choice not to see what
they do not want to but this does not account for why people are
behaving in such a way en masse. Why do it when it is easier just to
look at how the systems developed and even how Ra/Dec is a clockwork
outrigger of the Lat/Long and 24 hour AM/PM systems.

On Dec 29, 4:18*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message

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On Dec 29, 12:30 pm, Mike Collins wrote:

Your misplaced brief that Harrison would be a supporter of yours is
astonishing!
The move to more and more accurate clocks which Harrison began is the
start
if the process which led to your hated leap seconds.

Now the process of rewriting history that was always the sign of a
totalitarian regime,after years of insisting the Earth turns 1465
times in 1461 days or 4 complete rotations off the actual value where
24 hour cycles and rotations keep in step,the switch is to speaking of
clock accuracy beginning with Harrison.

You are only acting according to your nature but it doesn't account
for everyone,the sudden shift away from the 'solar vs sidereal'
fiction to the new story which assigns a 24 hour rotation in the year
1820 would normally have signaled that rewriting fiction to support
more of the same is crippling astronomy and terrestrial sciences.

The enemy of your enemy (the Royal Society) is not your friend.

I don't have enemies,I have astronomical tradition on my side, a love
of creation and human understanding of it and by God,no student
interested in astronomy and terrestrial sciences will ever suffer
again from the most dishonest and fraudulent bunch of people ever to
set foot on the planet.

You answer to a new story now,one that is equally as bad as the last
one -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." *NASA

None of you have the right to rewrite history and that is exactly what
is happening to suit the satellite era.

============================================
You may not have enemies, Kelleher, but you have no friends either.
Whether you like it or not, since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds and there is not a thing you or anyone else can
do about it. Gripe all you want to, nothing will change, nothing CAN change.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

Lord indeed !, a weak mind is incapable of seeing not only what is
written but why the story was changed to rotation once in 24 hours for
the satellite era -

"In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or 86,400
standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased by
about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA

In the year 1820 as in the year 1620,the average 24 hour day and the
steady progression of these 24 hour days substituted for steady/
constant rotation but in the late 17th century,the Royal Society
empiricists conjured up the idea that rotations and 24 hour days
diverge by 4 full rotations over 4 annual circuits even though common
sense dictates that February 29th is one 24 hour day and one rotation
that closes out 4 annual circuits of the Earth.

All the fuss over absolute/relative time,space and motion and now you
see where it gets this world - a more worthless bunch of thugs that
would see the world starve for genuine astronomical and terrestrial
insights and who seem to hate just about everything that is good in
life.

Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided
explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of
this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple
paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain
something
as basic as this.

He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the
difference might be.


As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st
and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see
the
same stars in the same places.


Yes or no?

"badastrobuster" wrote in message
...

Notice how carefully Oriel, over a period of some years, has avoided
explaining exactly where his views and the views of other members of
this group differ. He writes whole paragraphs - sometimes nultiple
paragraphs - hundreds of times a year but refuses to explain
something
as basic as this.

He also refuses to answer any questions designed to identify what the
difference might be.


As an example - Oriel, if you look due south at midnight on July 1st
and again at midnight on January 1st of the next year will you see
the
same stars in the same places.


Yes or no?


================================================== ===
I'm just jerking his chain to liven this newsgroup up a bit, he's actually
an autistic freak. Some might think it is cruel to mock the afflicted, but
in reality it does him no harm to poke fun at him. He seems to like it.
Even if he looked at stars he still wouldn't know Orion from the
Summer Triangle.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.