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  #11  
Old December 27th 12, 06:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway[_5_]
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"oriel36" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message

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On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


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This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk", lunatic,
many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard. You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

  #12  
Old December 27th 12, 07:34 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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On Dec 27, 5:30*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message

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On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


....


This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it emerged..


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk", lunatic,
many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The *now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard. You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine and can safely return to those who live off the same
fumes of relativity and other bypassed notions,a thug will always be a
thug and only know existence by what they hate and as a follower of
that unfortunate brand of empiricism that quickly took hold of the
original purposeful version in Royal Society England will eventually
fade and wither.

What an incredible English monarch with all the
class,intelligence,courage and style that you do not possess and it
was to another monarch that John Harrison turned in demonstrating how
the 24 hour AM/PM cycle works with the Lat/Long system and eventually
received his just reward from the complaints of Ra/Dec empiricists,a
dismal and dour group to which you belong -

http://books.google.ie/books?id=8roA...ge &q&f=false

"The application of a Timekeeper to this discovery is founded upon the
following principles: the earth's surface is divided into 360 equal
parts (by imaginary lines drawn from North to South) which are called
Degrees of Longitude; and its daily revolution Eastward round its own
axis is performed in 24 hours; consequently in that period, each of
those imaginary lines or degrees, becomes successively opposite to the
Sun (which makes the noon or precise middle of the day at each of
those degrees and it must follow, that from the time any one of
those lines passes the Sun, till the next passes, must be just four
minutes, for 24 hours being divided by 360 will give that quantity; so
that for every degree of Longitude we sail Westward, it will be noon
with us four minutes the later, and for every degree Eastward four
minutes the sooner, and so on in proportion for any greater or less
quantity. Now, the exact time of the day at the place where we are,
can be ascertained by well known and easy observations of the Sun if
visible for a few minutes at any time from his being ten degrees high
until within an hour of noon, or from an hour after noon until he is
only 10 degrees high in the afternoon; if therefore, at any time when
such observation is made, a Timekeeper tells us at the same moment
what o'clock it is at the place we sailed from, our Longitude is
clearly discovered." John Harrison

You live by knowing what you hate,I live by my inheritance which
belongs to all humanity and especially in the connection between the
individual and the Universal in material and Spiritual terms.Above is
a description of the system which many today would destroy by
inventing 'new' stories around timekeeping and the rotation of the
planet and it is not going to happen regardless of how many of you
there are or what stranglehold you have on astronomy.It will be done
because a standard is raised above what tethers on the boundaries of
intellectual oblivion at the moment and it is something you share with
all others here as you so rightly point out.



  #13  
Old December 27th 12, 09:26 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway[_5_]
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"oriel36" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 5:30 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message

...

On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


...


This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk",
lunatic,
many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard. You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine
===========================
Yes, I am, but YOU are a moronic thug with the well-deserved reputation of
an idiot.
Many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that operate on sidereal
time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in 24 hours because the Earth turns
361 degrees in 24 hours.
You try to bully them into believing your nonsense, you ignorant thug, and
I'll slap you for it.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

  #14  
Old December 27th 12, 10:05 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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On Dec 27, 8:26*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message

...

On Dec 27, 5:30 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


...


This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk",
lunatic,
many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The *now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard. You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine
===========================
Yes, I am, but YOU are a moronic thug with the well-deserved reputation of
an idiot.
Many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that operate on sidereal
time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in 24 hours because the Earth turns
361 degrees in 24 hours.


Their clock driven telescopes turn about their own homocentric axis
which require no meridian lines to set up and do not imitate the Lat/
Long system which contains the information of latitudinal rotational
speeds for each location North or South of the maximum equatorial
speed.They turn at their own clockwork speed based on the average 24
hour day within the confines of the 365 day/366 day system which
diverges from the natural system of 365 1/4 rotations per annual
circuit.

None of you believe in good nor evil,you act in such a way that is
less than humans normally act by your aggressiveness or by your
silence and yet you would have the world believe you are
astronomers,salaried or otherwise.When faced with Harrison or
Huygens,whether the great Egyptian or neolithic astronomers ,whether
the influences of Copernicus or Galileo as they dictate human striving
to understand their astronomical surroundings you want none of it
because it is in your nature to destroy what you cannot understand.

For too long now I have stood here waiting for good and decent people
to show up and take this fight to restore a narrative that students
and interested adults can use,genuine researchers can build on and
this gross speculative era of reckless mathematical theorists and
their models will come to an end using all the interpretative power
contemporary imaging allows.

You serve your side well but you still are bound to anti-astronomy
empiricism like everyone else here.









You try to bully them into believing your nonsense, you ignorant thug, and
I'll slap you for it.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


  #15  
Old December 27th 12, 11:11 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Quadibloc
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On Dec 27, 2:05*pm, oriel36 wrote:

For too long now I have stood here waiting for good and decent people
to show up and take this fight to restore a narrative that students
and interested adults can use,genuine researchers can build on and
this gross speculative era *of reckless mathematical theorists and
their models will come to an end using all *the interpretative power
contemporary imaging allows.


Unlike the other fellow, I wish to be polite and respectful towards
you - despite being called a nuisance because I have admitted to
enjoying science fiction.

The sentence quoted above is not surprising, as it echoes much that
you have been saying.

But I really wish you were realizing what you were saying. You may
talk about "speculation" and "reckless mathematical theorists", and
"models" and so on, but how do you explain, for example, the discovery
of Neptune, based on small deviations of the motion of Uranus from
Keplers' laws, if you reject the mathematical model derived from
Newton's inverse-square law of gravitation?

We know from hard-won experience, and genuine effort expended on
accurate calculations, that applying the laws of mechanics to the
heavens as we do to moving bodies on Earth *works* - it tells us
things that we would not otherwise know. Such as where to point our
telescopes in order to find Neptune.

Science is an ongoing effort to add to human knowledge. When you
recommend taking an "interpretive" approach to astronomy, you appear
to be calling for a shift from an empirical approach in which new
ideas can be tested against reality to a dead-end subjective approach
- in which we meditate on the heavens, and suggest ideas which can
only be judged by how nice they sound.

To you, that's real astronomy, and so empiricism is "anti-astronomy".

To the rest of the world, that is so bizarre that you are met with a
blank stare of incredulity. Science - even including astronomy - is a
serious business of finding out how the world really works so that we
can better manipulate Nature to our ends.

When those ends are building ever deadlier weapons of destruction,
first the atom bomb, then the hydrogen bomb... I can understand why
some might be emotionally disaffected from science. But scientific
knowledge is turned to all types of technological advance... from the
trifling to the humanitarian; science also helps to feed the hungry,
and to meet other basic needs, such as shelter and clothing, for
example through improving the production of energy.

Even destructive weapons serve the laudable goal of preserving
liberty; intellect flourishes in freedom, while thuggery is the
province of the dull.

And given the fact that we are in technological competition with non-
democratic regimes, turning back from the quest for more knowledge of
this practical kind is just not an option. We can't let Kim Jong-Un
catch up with us, so we can't stand still.

John Savard
  #16  
Old December 28th 12, 01:18 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway[_5_]
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"oriel36" wrote in message
...

On Dec 27, 8:26 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message

...

On Dec 27, 5:30 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" wrote in message


...


This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is
a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the
interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it
emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk",
lunatic,
many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing
nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are
not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361
degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but
as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard.
You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine
===========================
Yes, I am, but YOU are a moronic thug with the well-deserved reputation of
an idiot.
Many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that operate on
sidereal
time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in 24 hours because the Earth
turns
361 degrees in 24 hours.


Their clock driven telescopes turn about their own homocentric axis
which require no meridian lines to set up and do not imitate the Lat/
Long system which contains the information of latitudinal rotational
speeds for each location North or South of the maximum equatorial
speed.They turn at their own clockwork speed based on the average 24
hour day within the confines of the 365 day/366 day system which
diverges from the natural system of 365 1/4 rotations per annual
circuit.

None of you believe in good nor evil,
================================================== =
Amateur clock driven telescope mounts turn the telescope at a rate of
361 degrees in 24 hours, 15.042 degrees/hour, 15.042 arc minutes/minute,
15.042 arc seconds/second, 366.256 sidereal days per year to a precision
of 3 decimal places, without any irrelevant latitude or longitude
information
needed by the clock drive.
Professionals use a higher precision, taking into account 366.256 days
(one year) in 360 degrees or 1.0737 degrees per day.

Any amateur who lurked on this thread and taking a long exposure timed
photograph (which could last several hours) of the stars with a home-made
telescope and clock drive would get a blurred image if they were talked
into wasting their time and money using a 15 degrees/hour clock drive
recommended by that evil bullying thug Kelleher.
I believe in good and evil.
I am a good and truthful engineer even if I swear at evil lying thugs who
deliberately attempt to mislead amateur astronomers. Fortunately there
are enough of us to let any novice know you are completely crazy.
Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

  #17  
Old December 28th 12, 07:16 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Quadibloc
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Posts: 7,018
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On Dec 27, 5:18*pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:

Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.


But then you're evil too, because you try to lead people away from the
truth of Special Relativity as given to us by Einstein.

I would prefer to think that like Oriel, you have good intentions -
but are sadly mistaken about physics.

John Savard
  #18  
Old December 28th 12, 07:48 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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Posts: 8,478
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On Dec 28, 12:18*am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message

...

On Dec 27, 8:26 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"









wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


...


On Dec 27, 5:30 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


....


On Dec 27, 4:23 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


...


On Dec 27, 12:51 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"


wrote:
"oriel36" *wrote in message


...


This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it is
a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the
interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it
emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk",
lunatic,
many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are not junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The *now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing
nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that are
not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361
degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too, but
as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard..
You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical thug.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine
===========================
Yes, I am, but YOU are a moronic thug with the well-deserved reputation of
an idiot.
Many here (saa) *have clock driven telescope mounts that operate on
sidereal
time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in 24 hours because the Earth
turns
361 degrees in 24 hours.


Their clock driven telescopes turn about their own homocentric axis
which require no meridian lines to set up and do not imitate the Lat/
Long system which contains the information of latitudinal rotational
speeds for each location North or South of the maximum equatorial
speed.They turn at their own clockwork speed based on the average 24
hour day within the confines of the 365 day/366 day system which
diverges from the natural system of 365 1/4 rotations per annual
circuit.

None of you believe in good nor evil,
================================================== =
Amateur clock driven telescope mounts turn the telescope at a rate of
361 degrees in 24 hours, 15.042 degrees/hour, 15.042 arc minutes/minute,
15.042 arc seconds/second, *366.256 sidereal days per year to a precision
of 3 decimal places, without any irrelevant latitude or longitude
information
needed by the clock drive.


You just read John Harrison who has explained to you how the Lat/Long
system works in tandem with the 24 hour AM/PM cycle where 15 degrees
of rotation at the equator corresponds to 1037.5 miles hence the
planet turns its full 24901 mile circumference in 24 hours and it as
though he said nothing at all.There is no such thing as 361
degrees,the 24 hour cycles keep in step with all the effects of a
single rotation,February 29th is one day and one rotation that closes
out the proportion of days/rotations to orbital circuits and you still
lunge at meaningless decimal places as though they were going to save
you and your kind.

I see the 'clear skies' participants here and their homocentric view
of above/below where the Universe turns in a celestial sphere
diorama,they are perfectly entitled to this view for recreation
purposes but going a step too far by assigning dynamical cause to
this stellar circumpolar motion,in their laziness they not only lose
the ability to connect planetary dynamics with terrestrial
effects,they lose the ability to reason altogether.


Professionals use a higher precision, taking into account 366.256 days
(one year) in 360 degrees or 1.0737 degrees per day.


They are professional empiricists,not astronomers as they have no
authority to assert 1465 rotations in 1461 days nor contend with the
historical and technical details which tie the 24 hour AM/PM system
to the Lat/Long system through the calendar cycle.They got it wrong in
the late 17th century, tied everyone to their mistake and today's
bunch would expand the mistake further by creating a new story around
rotation once in 24 hours.It is fraud at the expense of human
achievement and it must stop.


Any amateur who lurked on this thread and taking a long exposure timed
photograph (which could last several hours) of the stars with a home-made
telescope and clock drive would get a blurred image if they were talked
into wasting their time and money using a 15 degrees/hour clock drive
recommended by that evil bullying thug Kelleher.


You are all bound together by the same error and I do not fault you
for the inability to reason yourselves out of it even though it is
easy enough as you will wake to another 24 hour day and another
rotation of the planet.The true amateur with a love of astronomy will
first reason out how the annual return of Sirius and the daily return
of our central Sun constitute the fundamentals of timekeeping as to
keep rotations fixed to the orbital points of solstices and
equinoxes,the planet does not turn a consistent 365 times for an
annual circuit but turns 365 1/4 times - the Egyptians spotted this in
that after every 4 cycles,it took Sirius an extra day to show up.



I believe in good and evil.
I am a good and truthful engineer even if I swear at evil lying thugs who
deliberately attempt to mislead amateur astronomers.


Listen to yourself now,you are an engineer trying to play an
astronomer with predictable results and that makes you a pure nuisance
- your silly celestial mechanics or the clockwork solar system cobbled
together from the predictive convenience of Ra/Dec is mindnumbingly
sterile as it tries to sever the connection between astronomical cause
and terrestrial effects via the planetary cycles.The fact is that the
'new' story of perfect 24 hour rotation in 1820 tries to bypass the
old empirical dinosaurs like yourself and that is it,you have served
your cult admirably and now you have no more relevance by supporting
an old 'solar vs sidereal' story that has gone past its shelf life -

"At the time of the dinosaurs, Earth completed one rotation in about
23 hours," says MacMillan, who is a member of the VLBI team at NASA
Goddard. "In the year 1820, a rotation took exactly 24 hours, or
86,400 standard seconds. Since 1820, the mean solar day has increased
by about 2.5 milliseconds." NASA


Fortunately there
are enough of us to let any novice know you are completely crazy.
Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.


There is something regal in the story of John Harrison and King George
against the same dismal crowd to which you belong ,the same miserable
hatred against advancement including the engineering marvel of a watch
designed around the 24 hour AM/PM system and the Lat/Long system -

"Now, in the former part of this book, I have treated about matters
pertaining to the strictness of measuring time; and have shewn the
deficiencies of such means as Mr. Graham had taken or made use of for
that purpose; and I have also treated of the improper, troublesome,
erroneous - tedious method, which the professors at Cambridge and
Oxford would have to be for the longitude at sea:"

" But indeed, had I continued under the hands of the rude
commissioners, this completion, or great accomplishment, neither
would, nor could, ever have been obtained; but however, providence
otherwise ordered the matter, and I can now boldly say, that if the
provision for the heat and cold could properly be in the balance
itself, as it is in the pendulum, the watch [or my longitude time-
keeper] would then perform to a few seconds in a year, yea, to such
perfection now are imaginary impossibilities conquered; so the
priests at Cambridge and Oxford, &c. may cease their pursuit in the
longitude affair, and as otherwise then to occupy their time."

John Harrison

Call yourself an engineer ?- more like a lout who detest the
engineering achievement that is a precision watch let alone the
astronomical principles to which that precision is set by the cycles
of the Earth.



-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.



Lord indeed !,there are people here who call themselves doctorates and
have the same relevance as your lordship but at least they get paid
for it.
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"Quadibloc" wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 5:18 pm, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote:

Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.


But then you're evil too, because you try to lead people away from the
truth of Special Relativity as given to us by Einstein.

I would prefer to think that like Oriel, you have good intentions -
but are sadly mistaken about physics.

John Savard
================================================== ==
I'd prefer you to think, too, but I have little hope of you being capable
of a task of such enormous magnitude.
You may be polite, but you are a fool and a bigot.
Unlike Kelleher I focus in on each of Einstein's blunders, without
obfuscation,
and I am willing to discuss any point you raise, but you refuse to listen
and
trust Einstein because the other sheep do. That's not science, that's
religion. You're evil too, because you try to lead people away from the
truth of Galilean Physics as given to us by the Holy Prophets Kepler,
Newton, Doppler, Faraday and Michelson.
Why am I evil for pointing out Einstein's mathematical blunders?

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
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When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

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This not invite responses from thugs and science fiction fans,it
is
a
highly technical topic that is within the vernacular of the
interested
adult and it represent the single most important topic in science
as
engineers try to justify the abolition of an already unjustifiable
'leap second' and the right ascension reasoning from which it
emerged.


Most here have staked their reputations on promoting the 'solar vs
sidereal' nonsense
================================================== ==
You need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, thug. "Most
here"
(everybody) knows your reputation is one of a crank.
Nobody "promotes" the simple fact of sidereal time understood by
everybody
except you, facts do not need promoting.


Trying to play a Usenet thug among your own in sci.relativity might
work there but this is saa
================================================== =====
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of a lunatic.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "junk",
lunatic,
many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are not
junk,
they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in
24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they understand and you don't.


The now bypassed 'solar vs sidereal' nonsense
=============================================
"Most here" (everybody) knows your reputation is one of spewing
nonsense.
Nobody here (saa) is fooled by you calling a simple fact "nonsense",
lunatic, many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that are
not
nonsense, they operate on sidereal time and turn the telescope 361
degrees
in 24 hours because the Earth turns 361 degrees in 24 hours, which
they
understand and you don't. Most ignore you completely. I should too,
but
as
you are a bullying thug I'll go toe to toe with you and slap you hard.
You
need not worry about staking YOUR reputation, vicious nonsensical
thug.


-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.


You are fine
===========================
Yes, I am, but YOU are a moronic thug with the well-deserved reputation
of
an idiot.
Many here (saa) have clock driven telescope mounts that operate on
sidereal
time and turn the telescope 361 degrees in 24 hours because the Earth
turns
361 degrees in 24 hours.


Their clock driven telescopes turn about their own homocentric axis
which require no meridian lines to set up and do not imitate the Lat/
Long system which contains the information of latitudinal rotational
speeds for each location North or South of the maximum equatorial
speed.They turn at their own clockwork speed based on the average 24
hour day within the confines of the 365 day/366 day system which
diverges from the natural system of 365 1/4 rotations per annual
circuit.

None of you believe in good nor evil,
================================================== =
Amateur clock driven telescope mounts turn the telescope at a rate of
361 degrees in 24 hours, 15.042 degrees/hour, 15.042 arc minutes/minute,
15.042 arc seconds/second, 366.256 sidereal days per year to a precision
of 3 decimal places, without any irrelevant latitude or longitude
information
needed by the clock drive.


You just read John Harrison

================
You are an evil LIAR, I did no such thing.

Amateur clock driven telescope mounts turn the telescope at a rate of
361 degrees in 24 hours, 15.042 degrees/hour, 15.042 arc minutes/minute,
15.042 arc seconds/second, 366.256 sidereal days per year to a precision
of 3 decimal places, without any irrelevant latitude or longitude
information needed by the clock drive.
Professionals use a higher precision, taking into account 366.256 days
(one year) in 360 degrees or 1.0737 degrees per day.

Any amateur who lurked on this thread and taking a long exposure timed
photograph (which could last several hours) of the stars with a home-made
telescope and clock drive would get a blurred image if they were talked
into wasting their time and money using a 15 degrees/hour clock drive
recommended by that evil bullying thug Kelleher.
I believe in good and evil.
I am a good and truthful engineer even if I swear at evil lying thugs who
deliberately attempt to mislead amateur astronomers. Fortunately there
are enough of us to let any novice know you are completely crazy.
Unlike hypocritical Quadiblockhead who wants to be polite, I tell you
the truth as it really is. YOU ARE EVIL.

-- This message is brought to you from the keyboard of
Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway.
When I get my O.B.E. I'll be an earlobe.

 




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