news flash.......mosley bleeds from O-ring.

(Henry Spencer) wrote:
And they weren't "summoned"; they were invited. Deke Slayton:

...Invitations were sent out to each group in turn, asking
them to come to Washington for a briefing... when most of
the guys agreed to at least hear the proposal, NASA didn't
bother going beyond the first two groups...

Note that they had the option of not bothering to go, and some didn't.

That's something folks outside of the military often miss, or don't
know. It's not unusual to be offered the chance to apply or
volunteer, and then once having applied or volunteered you are issued
orders making the process formal.

Frex; When I was came to the end of my shore tour and was supposed to
go back to sea, I was offered several boats/crews to select from. I
chose the 627G, and a few weeks later was issued orders to transfer
from TTF to the Madison. (During the interim however, the Navy
finally recognized the problems with my shoulder and the orders were
subsequently canceled.) If you look at my official record, it appears
that I was ordered to the 627G, none of the negotiation that preceded
the orders appears there.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

"Stuf4" wrote in message
om...
You stated that AS-204 was not under military command or control. And
then you follow that up by acknowledging the fact that the flight crew
was military (I would note that it was not only "several", but *all*).

My point was that a military crew operating a vehicle *is* military
command and control. Gus was the military commander over his military
crew.

Not necessarily if they are operating that vehicle for a civilian agency.
They were military officers working for a civilian agency and following that
agencies rules.

Now back to the real world...

A subtle example of a military crew exerting military command and
control:

Gus: Hey Ed, pass me that flashlight.

Ed: Here you go, Gus.

What if Ed asked Gus for the flashlight? Would that be an example of
insubordination?

"Doug..." wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

"Ami Silberman" wrote in message
...

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...

Hey, folks--I wasn't sure where to post this one because there's
been
so much blathering, but how about this for a question: You do
realize
the first three groups of astronauts were recruited from within the
military, and by that I mean they received orders to show up at
such-and-so place at such-and-so time with absolutely no clue why
they
were there?

I thought that they had to apply first, and then the candidates
received
the
orders.

Shhhh! It's LaToya's fantasy.

Which, once again, displays her lack of real knowledge about the
American space program of the 1950s and 1960s. The very first astronaut
selection was, indeed, a "blind" call worked through the military chain
of command. Each service was asked to select a certain number of
candidates, who met in a room and were told exactly what the program was
about. (They were even told that they did not *have* to volunteer, if
they didn't want to.) They weren't told the subject of the meeting
until they arrived.

However, beginning with the second astronaut class, NASA issued requests
for application, listing the requirements and asking for applications
from individuals, both military and civilian. There weren't all that
many civilians who were qualified for the second group, since test pilot
experience was still mandatory. But beginning with the third group,
test pilot experience was simply "preferred," and several non-test
pilots applied (and several were accepted). Beginning with the second
group, your entry into the selection process began with your individual
application -- if you were active military, your chain of command found
out about it if/when you were asked to come interview with Deke & Co.

Actually, LaDonna is probably conflating the first two or three (can't
remember how many there where, I think three, but the third wasn't actually
called in) "batches" of test pilots called for project Mercury (Astronaut
Group I), which was a blind call (although the second and third "batch"
heard what was going on through the grapevine), and the actual numbered
Astronaut Groups II and III.

Doug... wrote:
However, beginning with the second astronaut class, NASA issued requests
for application, listing the requirements and asking for applications
from individuals, both military and civilian.

I can't speak to the other services, or the 1960's; But throughout
the 1980's the USN published a monthly newsletter listing all of the
various school and billet opportunities.

I don't recall seeing the astronaut notices in it; but I didn't read
it very closely. (My rate was Crit 1, which basically meant I wasn't
going outside of the rate, and the opportunities to transfer early
were essentially non existent.) I had enough that I was required to
read that reading something that was a) not required and b)
essentially non-applicable wasn't happening.

D.
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:39:59 -0400, "Scott Hedrick"
wrote:

"LaDonna Wyss is a LIAR!!!" wrote in
message ...
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

So, can you or can you not provide verifiable references that will state
whether or not her pants were on fire?

....Well, isn't that how you deal with highly contageous biopathogens?

OM

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"Ami Silberman" wrote in message
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Where in
http://www.defenselink.mil/odam/omp/...ok/Pdf/DoD.PDF, which is
the
organization of the DoD, is NASA?

How dare you use facts against Stuffie! NASA paychecks come from the same
place that military paychecks come from, the US Treasury. Since NASA
paychecks look just like military paychecks, it's obvious that NASA is part
of the military.

"Ami Silberman" wrote in message
...
That still doesn't make everything involved with the Cold War part of the
defense establishment, the military, or the DoD.

I was involved in the Cold War. I served as a target. That must mean I was
in the military! Where's my VA card?

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...
This started
when someone claimed these guys "applied" for their jobs as NASA. I
countered by saying they were summoned without knowing why.

The known, verifiable facts support "someone"'s claim and not yours. You are
welcome to provide verifiable evidence to the contrary.

(LaDonna Wyss) wrote:
Follow the conversation: This started
when someone claimed these guys "applied" for their jobs as NASA. I
countered by saying they were summoned without knowing why.

You countered by exposing your ignorance and confusing the summons to
a briefing with the subsequent application process. Thus you are a
fraud in having claimed to be familiar with the process.

I never said no one EVER filled out a piece of paper;

And here you expose yourself as a liar, because you plainly stated
that "there were no applications in the initial astronaut groups".
Here you also expose yourself as a fraud by confusing the initial
astronaut groups with the initial groups of pilots summoned to
Washington for a briefing.

but it is wrong to say they "applied" like the job was posted on a bulletin
board and everybody sent in their applications. They were selected
without knowing what they were selected to DO.

Another lie. They were selected to go to the briefings, but were
given a chance to turn the selection down. After the briefings they
were again offered the opportunity to proceed or quit.

Once they arrived, then obviously tests were conducted, screening was done,
etc;

Yet *another* lie. Because the tests etc. were only performed on
gentlemen who had already twice volunteered.

SO, not only am I NOT a liar, but where the he** did "cheat" come in?

You lied no less than four times in *this message alone*.

D.
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Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message ...
"LaDonna Wyss is a LIAR!!!" wrote in
message ...
LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

So, can you or can you not provide verifiable references that will state
whether or not her pants were on fire?

Wow. How very adult of you.