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Old September 17th 04, 10:50 AM
Aleksandr Timofeev
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Default Quantum Paradox of a Self-Interference of a Photon in VLBI

I hardly perceive physical sense of the article written
in the "Nature" by Burke B.F.:

Burke B.F., Quantum Interference Paradox, Nature, 223, 389-390, 1969.

-------------------------------------------------------------
There is no direct physical process of addition "of waves / photons"
passing through "slots or telescopes" in VLBI!
-------------------------------------------------------------

The interference fringes (picture) in VLBI (interferometer) is pure
mathematical abstraction, since the construction of an interference
pattern is carried out in the computer.

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

....

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity

"quantum Paradox of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI"


---
Best Regards,
Aleksandr Timofeev
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
I hardly perceive physical sense of the article written
in the "Nature" by Burke B.F.:

Burke B.F., Quantum Interference Paradox, Nature, 223, 389-390, 1969.

-------------------------------------------------------------
There is no direct physical process of addition "of waves / photons"
passing through "slots or telescopes" in VLBI!
-------------------------------------------------------------

The interference fringes (picture) in VLBI (interferometer) is pure
mathematical abstraction, since the construction of an interference
pattern is carried out in the computer.

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

...

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity


Rotate one of the polarizers and let us know if the signal is blocked.

You are playing the same song, let's see if you added a new stanza.

David A. Smith


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Old September 21st 04, 10:52 AM
Aleksandr Timofeev
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
I hardly perceive physical sense of the article written
in the "Nature" by Burke B.F.:

Burke B.F., Quantum Interference Paradox, Nature, 223, 389-390, 1969.

-------------------------------------------------------------
There is no direct physical process of addition "of waves / photons"
passing through "slots or telescopes" in VLBI!
-------------------------------------------------------------

The interference fringes (picture) in VLBI (interferometer) is pure
mathematical abstraction, since the construction of an interference
pattern is carried out in the computer.

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

...

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity


Rotate one of the polarizers and let us know if the signal is blocked.

You are playing the same song, let's see if you added a new stanza.

David A. Smith


Dear David A. Smith!

There are two theories of an interference phenomenon
of electromagnetic waves:

1. A wave point of view and
2. A photon point of view.

1. A wave point of view.

The problems does not exist for classic wave interpretation
of an interference phenomenon in VLBI an interferometer.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...n.jpl.nasa.gov


2. A photon point of view.

From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.
**********************************************

From my point of view, you can not describe
the physical mechanism of a phenomenon of
a self-interference of a photon in VLBI,
since any your "interpretation" will be foregone
to contain logic and physical ERRORS of explanation
of the physical mechanism of a phenomenon of
a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.

---
Best Regards
Aleksandr Timofeev


================================================== ===
P.S. ADDITIONAL INFO:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...1.dejanews.com

From: Aleksandr Timofeev )
Subject: Length of wavetrain of a single photon
View: Complete Thread (190 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: sci.physics.research
Date: 1999/01/18


In article ,
(Ray Tomes) wrote:
I am wondering whether any attempt has ever been made to measure the
wave train length and amplitude profile of a single photon?

To explain what I mean by this, consider Young's two slit experiment and
the resulting interference for the case where the photon rate is very
low and we may consider that essentially all observed events are self
interference of single photons.


On my sight, for consideration of an offered problem from all points of
view; the most approaching measuring instrument is the microwave
interferometr with superlong basis - VLBI. I would name this type of an
interferometer as an interferometer with independent registration of signals
in shoulders. Fundamentally any other interferometer by nothing differs from
an interferometer considered below.

Principles of work VLBI

The microwave interferometr with superlong basis consists of two radio
telescopes were on a very large distance from each other. Before experiment
or after him, the nuclear hours are synchronized. Each radio telescope writes
on a videotape a transformed radiation accepted by an antenna. Simultaneously
with a signal, the scores of time received from the standard of frequency,
are written on a videotape.
After ending experiment we have two videotapes with entries of a signal
and scores of time. The "interference picture" is received after data
processing of these videotapes on the computer.

There are two graphic schemes illustrating the description:

The microwave interferometer with superlong basis. Part 1.
Block scheme.

- radio-telescope 1
-
- parabolic antenna tape 1 clock 1
- \
- \ [ microwave ]
- \ [ receiver + ] [videotape] [hydrogen ]
- ) )---[analog-to-digital]---[recorder ]---[frequency]
- / [ converter ] ^ ^ [standard ]
- / | |
- / radio-signals time-marks
- microwave
- radiation
- for synchronization of atomic clocks
- [transportable caesium]
- [ frequency standard ]
[snip] ================================================== ==================
- radio-telescope 2
-
-
- parabolic antenna 2 tape 2 clock 2
- \
- \ [ microwave ]
- \ [ receiver + ] [videotape] [hydrogen ]
- ) )---[analog-to-digital]---[recorder ]---[frequency]
- / [ converter ] ^ ^ [standard ]
- / | |
- / radio-signals time-marks
-
-
-
.. The microwave interferometer with superlong basis. Part 2.
.. ----------------------------------------------------------

.. "Interference picture"
.. ^
.. |
.. [videotape 1] ------ [ COMPUTER ] ---------- [videotape 2]
.. ^ ^
.. | |
.. radio-telescope 1 - synchronization clocks - radio-telescope 2
.. Length of basis
.. |----------------------------- {snip} -------------------------------|
.. /^\ /^\



..^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ {snip} ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
..| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Noise microwave radiation

Flexible possibilities of a computer interference of signals.

1. Our interferometer has the right and left shoulders. The distance
between shoulders does not influence sensitivity of an interferometer. The
sensitivity of an interferometer to a signal is determined by the worse
receiver from both radio telescopes.
- The distance between shoulders of an interferometer can be no matter
how large. (This problem is reduced to a problem of transportation of clocks
of a synchronization).
2. The addition of signals is carried out in the computer, that allows
to apply no matter how complicated algorithms of addition of signals.
- In that specific case, we can arbitrary vary delay of signals in each
from a shoulders in any direction.

Conditionality of physical concept " an Interference picture ".

Here we shall be convinced of a celebration of a principle of a causality.
The events happening on slots of an interferometer have primary significance,
all other events happening in an interferometer have the status
secondary.
Let's analyze physical concept addition of signals in an interferometer.
The radiation incident on an input of an interferometer has the following
performances:
Wavefront; Frequency band; Spectral fluence of energy;
For each frequency:
Polarization; Amplitude; Phase; Stability.
The interferometer considered by us, is an interferometer with
independent registration of signals in shoulders and the process of addition
of signals is carried out in the computer. The phrase " process of addition
of signals is carried out in the computer " allows clearly to seize essence "
concepts of an interference picture " and source of an origin of this
concept. In the given type of an interferometer there is some arbitrariness
in choice by us of the law of addition of signals from the right and left
shoulders. In our case " the kind of an interference picture " depends on
the concrete law of addition of signals selected by us. In other kinds of
interferometers geometry (physical) construction of an interferometer
determines the law of addition of signals and " a kind of an interference
picture ".
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Old September 21st 04, 11:16 AM
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:x0C2d.184803$4o.2674@fed1read01...

Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
I hardly perceive physical sense of the article written
in the "Nature" by Burke B.F.:

Burke B.F., Quantum Interference Paradox, Nature, 223, 389-390, 1969.

-------------------------------------------------------------
There is no direct physical process of addition "of waves / photons"
passing through "slots or telescopes" in VLBI!
-------------------------------------------------------------

The interference fringes (picture) in VLBI (interferometer) is pure
mathematical abstraction, since the construction of an interference
pattern is carried out in the computer.

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

...

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity


Rotate one of the polarizers and let us know if the signal is blocked.

You are playing the same song, let's see if you added a new stanza.

David A. Smith


Dear David A. Smith!

There are two theories of an interference phenomenon
of electromagnetic waves:

1. A wave point of view and
2. A photon point of view.

1. A wave point of view.

The problems does not exist for classic wave interpretation
of an interference phenomenon in VLBI an interferometer.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...n.jpl.nasa.gov


2. A photon point of view.

From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.
**********************************************

From my point of view, you can not describe
the physical mechanism of a phenomenon of
a self-interference of a photon in VLBI,
since any your "interpretation" will be foregone
to contain logic and physical ERRORS of explanation
of the physical mechanism of a phenomenon of
a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.

---
Best Regards
Aleksandr Timofeev


================================================== ===
P.S. ADDITIONAL INFO:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...1.dejanews.com

From: Aleksandr Timofeev )
Subject: Length of wavetrain of a single photon
View: Complete Thread (190 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: sci.physics.research
Date: 1999/01/18


In article ,
(Ray Tomes) wrote:
I am wondering whether any attempt has ever been made to measure the
wave train length and amplitude profile of a single photon?

To explain what I mean by this, consider Young's two slit experiment and
the resulting interference for the case where the photon rate is very
low and we may consider that essentially all observed events are self
interference of single photons.


On my sight, for consideration of an offered problem from all points of
view; the most approaching measuring instrument is the microwave
interferometr with superlong basis - VLBI. I would name this type of an
interferometer as an interferometer with independent registration of signals
in shoulders. Fundamentally any other interferometer by nothing differs from
an interferometer considered below.

Principles of work VLBI

The microwave interferometr with superlong basis consists of two radio
telescopes were on a very large distance from each other. Before experiment
or after him, the nuclear hours are synchronized. Each radio telescope writes
on a videotape a transformed radiation accepted by an antenna. Simultaneously
with a signal, the scores of time received from the standard of frequency,
are written on a videotape.
After ending experiment we have two videotapes with entries of a signal
and scores of time. The "interference picture" is received after data
processing of these videotapes on the computer.

There are two graphic schemes illustrating the description:

The microwave interferometer with superlong basis. Part 1.
Block scheme.

- radio-telescope 1
-
- parabolic antenna tape 1 clock 1
- \
- \ [ microwave ]
- \ [ receiver + ] [videotape] [hydrogen ]
- ) )---[analog-to-digital]---[recorder ]---[frequency]
- / [ converter ] ^ ^ [standard ]
- / | |
- / radio-signals time-marks
- microwave
- radiation
- for synchronization of atomic clocks
- [transportable caesium]
- [ frequency standard ]
[snip] ================================================== ==================
- radio-telescope 2
-
-
- parabolic antenna 2 tape 2 clock 2
- \
- \ [ microwave ]
- \ [ receiver + ] [videotape] [hydrogen ]
- ) )---[analog-to-digital]---[recorder ]---[frequency]
- / [ converter ] ^ ^ [standard ]
- / | |
- / radio-signals time-marks
-
-
-
.. The microwave interferometer with superlong basis. Part 2.
.. ----------------------------------------------------------

.. "Interference picture"
.. ^
.. |
.. [videotape 1] ------ [ COMPUTER ] ---------- [videotape 2]
.. ^ ^
.. | |
.. radio-telescope 1 - synchronization clocks - radio-telescope 2
.. Length of basis
.. |----------------------------- {snip} -------------------------------|
.. /^\ /^\



..^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ {snip} ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
..| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
Noise microwave radiation

Flexible possibilities of a computer interference of signals.

1. Our interferometer has the right and left shoulders. The distance
between shoulders does not influence sensitivity of an interferometer. The
sensitivity of an interferometer to a signal is determined by the worse
receiver from both radio telescopes.
- The distance between shoulders of an interferometer can be no matter
how large. (This problem is reduced to a problem of transportation of clocks
of a synchronization).
2. The addition of signals is carried out in the computer, that allows
to apply no matter how complicated algorithms of addition of signals.
- In that specific case, we can arbitrary vary delay of signals in each
from a shoulders in any direction.

Conditionality of physical concept " an Interference picture ".

Here we shall be convinced of a celebration of a principle of a causality.
The events happening on slots of an interferometer have primary significance,
all other events happening in an interferometer have the status
secondary.
Let's analyze physical concept addition of signals in an interferometer.
The radiation incident on an input of an interferometer has the following
performances:
Wavefront; Frequency band; Spectral fluence of energy;
For each frequency:
Polarization; Amplitude; Phase; Stability.
The interferometer considered by us, is an interferometer with
independent registration of signals in shoulders and the process of addition
of signals is carried out in the computer. The phrase " process of addition
of signals is carried out in the computer " allows clearly to seize essence "
concepts of an interference picture " and source of an origin of this
concept. In the given type of an interferometer there is some arbitrariness
in choice by us of the law of addition of signals from the right and left
shoulders. In our case " the kind of an interference picture " depends on
the concrete law of addition of signals selected by us. In other kinds of
interferometers geometry (physical) construction of an interferometer
determines the law of addition of signals and " a kind of an interference
picture ".
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Old September 21st 04, 02:57 PM
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:x0C2d.184803$4o.2674@fed1read01...

Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
I hardly perceive physical sense of the article written
in the "Nature" by Burke B.F.:

Burke B.F., Quantum Interference Paradox, Nature, 223, 389-390, 1969.

-------------------------------------------------------------
There is no direct physical process of addition "of waves / photons"
passing through "slots or telescopes" in VLBI!
-------------------------------------------------------------

The interference fringes (picture) in VLBI (interferometer) is pure
mathematical abstraction, since the construction of an interference
pattern is carried out in the computer.

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

...

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity


Rotate one of the polarizers and let us know if the signal is blocked.

You are playing the same song, let's see if you added a new stanza.

David A. Smith


Dear David A. Smith!

There are two theories of an interference phenomenon
of electromagnetic waves:

1. A wave point of view and
2. A photon point of view.

1. A wave point of view.

The problems does not exist for classic wave interpretation
of an interference phenomenon in VLBI an interferometer.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...n.jpl.nasa.gov


2. A photon point of view.

From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.


Self-interference is well documented, Alexsandr.

So you have not added a new stanza.
Good luck to you.

David A. Smith


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Old September 22nd 04, 10:12 AM
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Dear David A. Smith!

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:9rW3d.212272$4o.63326@fed1read01...
Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message


[snip]

Dear colleagues physicists!

Whether you can describe / solve in more detail problems
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI:

1. "Detections" of signals? ;
2. "Recording" of signals? ;
3. "Additions" of signals? ;

...

and so on?


Dear colleagues, be sure and not hide in obscurity


[snip]

You are playing the same song, let's see if you added a new stanza.

David A. Smith


Dear David A. Smith!

There are two theories of an interference phenomenon
of electromagnetic waves:

1. A wave point of view and
2. A photon point of view.

1. A wave point of view.

The problems does not exist for classic wave interpretation
of an interference phenomenon in VLBI an interferometer.

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...n.jpl.nasa.gov


2. A photon point of view.

From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.


Self-interference is well documented, Alexsandr.


Then, please Dear David A. Smith
quote any fragment of paper, which one yields exposition
of a phenomenon of a self-interference of "photon" in
VLBI an interferometer (Very Long Base Interferometr).

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...jpl.nasa.go v

So you have not added a new stanza.
Good luck to you.

David A. Smith


---

Good luck to you.

Aleksandr Timofeev
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Old September 22nd 04, 02:47 PM
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
Dear David A. Smith!

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:9rW3d.212272$4o.63326@fed1read01...

....
From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.


Self-interference is well documented, Alexsandr.


Then, please Dear David A. Smith
quote any fragment of paper, which one yields exposition
of a phenomenon of a self-interference of "photon" in
VLBI an interferometer (Very Long Base Interferometr).


No. I have done what was asked. The turn is yours.

Rotate the polarizer, or explain why detectors with polarizers at roughly
90 deg for a given source still have signal. If these were waves-only, the
signal would be lost or severely degraded. It is not, so the wave model is
still relegated to the useful but WRONG bin. So the wave-only model of
photons should be the "dance of the chimera", don't you think?

Have a nice day!

David A. Smith


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Old September 23rd 04, 10:39 AM
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"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in message news:Rnf4d.221171$4o.106415@fed1read01...
Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
Dear David A. Smith!

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
message news:9rW3d.212272$4o.63326@fed1read01...

...
From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.

Self-interference is well documented, Alexsandr.


Then, please Dear David A. Smith
quote any fragment of paper, which one yields exposition
of a phenomenon of a self-interference of "photon" in
VLBI an interferometer (Very Long Base Interferometr).


No. I have done what was asked. The turn is yours.


Rotate the polarizer, or explain why detectors with polarizers at roughly
90 deg for a given source still have signal. If these were waves-only, the
signal would be lost or severely degraded. It is not, so the wave model is
still relegated to the useful but WRONG bin. So the wave-only model of
photons should be the "dance of the chimera", don't you think?


"Rotate the polarizer, or explain why detectors with polarizers
at roughly 90 deg for a given source still have signal."

It is the insecure assertion. The signal disappears,
but the noise remain.

Really, in this case, as according to a classic wave theory
it should be, the correlation between signals of two radio
telescopes fades.

" Without a word of warning, the correlation of signals
(between signals of two radio telescopes VLBI) fades to nothing. "
In this Case signals of two radio telescopes consist only
of noise radiation, which one have not cross correlation.

Thus, at addition of these signals in the digital computer
on wave model " the virtual mathematical interference (VLBI)"

has not a place!


"Diffraction is a single photon interfering with
itself"

Whether indivisible "photon" can to be wrote simultaneously
on two magnetic tapes, which ones are disposed simultaneously
in opposite points of a globe? ;^)

The self-interference of "photon" is impossible in VLBI physically
on principle, the since each radio telescope is simultaneously both
"slot" and "detector", and VIRTUAL of VLBI an interference is
a corollary of mathematical addition of the information from
video cassettes in the digital computer on wave model.

Have a very nice day!

Aleksandr Timofeev

P.S.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...g .google.com

================================================== ==========
Alexsandr's contention is that since the detectors are situated all over
the Earth, and their detectors are "absolutely" synchronized (by later
comparisons of data streams from each detector), that only a wave could
produce simultaneous detection in each data stream.

I have challenged Mr. Timofeev to ask permission of his boss (or whatever),
to alter the orientation of the polarizer at one detector for long enough
to assure a measured effect was recorded... say five minutes. The
orientation would be to place the polarizer at 90° to another polarizer on
a remote detector. Since crossed polarizers disallow anything except
helically polarized light from passing, then the two detectors with this
orientation should then both lose signal.

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Old September 23rd 04, 03:02 PM
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote in
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Dear Aleksandr Timofeev:

"Aleksandr Timofeev" wrote in message
om...
Dear David A. Smith!

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N: dlzc1 D:cox wrote
in
message news:9rW3d.212272$4o.63326@fed1read01...

...
From a photon point of view, the photon can be gripped by one
and only by one radio telescope from two radio telescopes of VLBI.

**********************************************
Now Dear David A. Smith

you should describe YOURS the physical mechanism
of a self-interference of a photon in VLBI.

Self-interference is well documented, Alexsandr.

Then, please Dear David A. Smith
quote any fragment of paper, which one yields exposition
of a phenomenon of a self-interference of "photon" in
VLBI an interferometer (Very Long Base Interferometr).


No. I have done what was asked. The turn is yours.


Rotate the polarizer, or explain why detectors with polarizers at
roughly
90 deg for a given source still have signal. If these were waves-only,
the
signal would be lost or severely degraded. It is not, so the wave model
is
still relegated to the useful but WRONG bin. So the wave-only model of
photons should be the "dance of the chimera", don't you think?


"Rotate the polarizer, or explain why detectors with polarizers
at roughly 90 deg for a given source still have signal."

It is the insecure assertion. The signal disappears,
but the noise remain.

Really, in this case, as according to a classic wave theory
it should be, the correlation between signals of two radio
telescopes fades.

" Without a word of warning, the correlation of signals
(between signals of two radio telescopes VLBI) fades to nothing. "
In this Case signals of two radio telescopes consist only
of noise radiation, which one have not cross correlation.

Thus, at addition of these signals in the digital computer
on wave model " the virtual mathematical interference (VLBI)"

has not a place!


"Diffraction is a single photon interfering with
itself"

Whether indivisible "photon" can to be wrote simultaneously
on two magnetic tapes, which ones are disposed simultaneously
in opposite points of a globe? ;^)

The self-interference of "photon" is impossible in VLBI physically
on principle, the since each radio telescope is simultaneously both
"slot" and "detector", and VIRTUAL of VLBI an interference is
a corollary of mathematical addition of the information from
video cassettes in the digital computer on wave model.

Have a very nice day!


So absorption is indistinguishable from the arrival of a "wavefront" of
particles. How nice.

David A. Smith


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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:02:35 -0700, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" N:
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The self-interference of "photon" is impossible in VLBI physically
on principle, the since each radio telescope is simultaneously both
"slot" and "detector", and VIRTUAL of VLBI an interference is
a corollary of mathematical addition of the information from
video cassettes in the digital computer on wave model.

Have a very nice day!


So absorption is indistinguishable from the arrival of a "wavefront" of
particles. How nice.

David A. Smith

Which universe are these single photons found in?
 




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