Ayn Rand's Utopia

On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 11:54:34 PM UTC-4, Quadibloc wrote:

I know that sometimes he has resorted to insults instead of reasoned discourse
with you.

Some who called himself peterson had actually suggested that someone he disagreed with kill themselves. You need to be much more even-handed with your comments.

Reasoning with him (or her?) is often a bit like reasoning with a bratty child, with someone strung out on drugs, with a bully or with a communist or a fascist. Those attempts are virtually impossible, although the bully might relent if confronted with superior force or numbers.

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

This is just a rehashing of NRA propaganda. Keeping guns out of the hands
of honest citizens will immediately reduce their chance of being killed by
a gun.

It will also shift the demographics of the victims towards those physically unable to defend themselves and to those who are outnumbered by their assailants.

Taking action to reduce the guns in criminal hands would be done at the
same time.

That has been and is being tried, but criminals don't obey laws, by definition.

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
wsnell01 wrote:

Now, that being said, guns are good equalizers. For the most part that is a positive.

Rubbish!

Equality is a good equaliser,

Nonsense!

There are a few sub-cultures here which disdain the ideas of education, hard work and polite behavior.

What do you expect me to do about that?

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

The problem of gun ownership is this; Only those who don't want guns should
be allowed to own them.

That is a ridiculous comment, and typical of a left-wing loon.

But we don't don't do that.
So in the UK we just ban handgun ownership. That does the job.

How would Aunt Minnie defend herself?

On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 3:45:13 PM UTC-4, Lord Vath wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 18:42:41 +0000 (UTC), Mike Collins

The problem of gun ownership is this; Only those who don't want guns should
be allowed to own them. But we don't don't do that.
So in the UK we just ban handgun ownership. That does the job.

This isn't the UK.

But murders still happen in the UK.

Vath, liberals have very poor reasoning powers. They love apples-to-oranges comparisons. They live in a dream world. The law of unintended consequences completely baffles them. Ultimately, they are hypocrites.

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On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
wsnell01 wrote:

Now, that being said, guns are good equalizers. For the most part that is a positive.

Rubbish!

Equality is a good equaliser,

Nonsense!

There are a few sub-cultures here which disdain the ideas of education,
hard work and polite behavior.

What do you expect me to do about that?

If they have guns they are equal to you by your definition.

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On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

This is just a rehashing of NRA propaganda. Keeping guns out of the hands
of honest citizens will immediately reduce their chance of being killed by
a gun.

It will also shift the demographics of the victims towards those
physically unable to defend themselves and to those who are outnumbered
by their assailants.

Taking action to reduce the guns in criminal hands would be done at the
same time.

That has been and is being tried, but criminals don't obey laws, by definition.

That's why we have police!

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On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 2:59:47 AM UTC-4, Uncarollo2 wrote:

How about this one: two guys, both law abiding licensed to carry, shoot each
other in a road rage incident: http://kdvr.com/2013/09/19/angry-drivers-
both-licensed-to-carry-concealed-weapons-shoot-each-other/

Tailgating can be very dangerous.

Especially when you carry a gun in the car.

A death sentence for tailgating seems a bit harsh even in the land of the
free and home of the brave.

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On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 5:20:21 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
Lord Vath wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:16:54 +0000 (UTC), Mike Collins
wrote this crap:

Quadibloc wrote:
On Thursday, July 23, 2015 at 1:38:46 AM UTC-6, Chris.B wrote:

The problem with gun ownership is the owner is given instantly increased power
to be judge, jury and executioner while receiving little or no training [nor
screening] for any of these tasks.

You're absolutely correct. That is a real problem with gun ownership.

However, keeping guns out of the hands of honest citizens doesn't take them out
of the hands of criminals. And it's not as if most people can afford to hire
security guards who have been trained and screened and so on to protect them.


This is just a rehashing of NRA propaganda. Keeping guns out of the hands
of honest citizens will immediately reduce their chance of being killed by
a gun.

There's no proof of that.

This signature is now the ultimate
power in the universe

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...l-reform-myths

An indication.

No, a bloviation.

That's just your way of saying"I don't like what it says. I can't plausibly
argue against it so I'll just hide under the sofa until it goes away."

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On Friday, July 24, 2015 at 3:51:59 PM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:

USA 4.7 per 100,000

UK 1 per 100,000

Vermont, ~1 per 100,000.

Massachusetts has about 1/3 the gun ownership rate as Vermont, but has 6x the gun murders.

Massachusetts has about 1/3 the gun ownership rate as Vermont, but the
about 3x the non-gun murders.

Might the availability of guns in Vermont be acting as a deterrent to
violent crime, both directly and in-directly? Or do you have a different explanation?

Most gun deaths are not murders.

Vermont firearms death rate 9.2 per 100,000

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/u...rms-death-rate

So as well as having the same murder rate as the UK you are nine times as
likely to be killed by a gun than you are to be murdered.