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found a 4.1 Kg chondritic meteorites; meteors create water wells on Mars and Moon??
Up until today my biggest meteorite find was a 3.6 Kg chronditic
meteorite. Today I hit the jackpot of finds. I was walking in the "debris field" when I noticed a small piece of rock jutting out of the mud. We had a heavy rain last week. And I tried pulling it out but had to get a shovel. And it was the heaviest yet. It weighs 4.1 Kg and has fusion crust on both sides. It is shaped like a very thick wedge and has the volume of about a good sized brick. But no brick weighs 4.1 Kg. But it has something that the other finds do not have as obvious and in plain view. It has shiny metal in the fusion crust. It has alot of rust on it, indicating much of the iron content is rusted. But it also has this shiny white metal on the fusion crust. I think the metal is iridium for it is more shiny than nickel. I am having one sample tested for quartz. But with this find, I am 100 percent sure that these are meteorites. Shiny white metal and a fusion crust and magnetic means meteorite. Seeing the shiny white metal on the fusion crust saves me the labor of slicing open one of these samples to prove it is a meteorite. So in total, I have about 10 to 15 Kg of chondritic meteorites. And I have an interesting question about meteorites for geologists. A question that very much may have relevance to water on Mars or the Moon. I am a bit hesitant to ask this question as it would reveal the site where I am finding these meteorites, but knowledge and understanding are more important than my greed to own meteorites. I have found these meteorites near a artesian water well. At first I thought someone transported those rocks to the water well. But later, as I found more pieces in a debris field in a radius around the water well and small fragment pieces, I realized these were not transported to the site but that they were naturally there. And with this latest rock proving that they are indeed meteorites, which brings me to the question. Can a large enough meteorite create a artesian water well? The huge meteor crater in Arizona, (Barringer if my memory of names is correct), did it cause a water source within that crater? Is there an artesian water source in that Arizona crater? Has anyone found meteors connected to artesian water flows? If true, let me try to give a mechanism of how a meteor strike can create a artesian water well. At the point of impact there would be a small mountain or central ridge. So the flow of underground water would then be focused to this central-ridge? I do not fathom how it could do that. I would need evidence that artesian water wells exist where other meteorite strikes occurred. Is there a physics explanation as to why a meteorite strike would change the flow of underground water?? If true, then a good place to look for water on Mars or Moon would be at a large meteor crater center. Where the underground water flow is diverted to the crater center. Sort of like, metaphorically, a meteor-water- fountain. Perhaps it is just coincidence that the artesian well is nearby where a meteor strike occurred. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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found a 4.1 Kg chondritic meteorites; meteors create water wells on Mars and Moon??
"a_plutonium" wrote in message ups.com... Up until today my biggest meteorite find was a 3.6 Kg chronditic meteorite. Today I hit the jackpot of finds. I was walking in the "debris field" when I noticed a small piece of rock jutting out of the mud. We had a heavy rain last week. And I tried pulling it out but had to get a shovel. And it was the heaviest yet. It weighs 4.1 Kg and has fusion crust on both sides. It is shaped like a very thick wedge and has the volume of about a good sized brick. But no brick weighs 4.1 Kg. But it has something that the other finds do not have as obvious and in plain view. It has shiny metal in the fusion crust. It has alot of rust on it, indicating much of the iron content is rusted. But it also has this shiny white metal on the fusion crust. I think the metal is iridium for it is more shiny than nickel. I am having one sample tested for quartz. But with this find, I am 100 percent sure that these are meteorites. Shiny white metal and a fusion crust and magnetic means meteorite. Seeing the shiny white metal on the fusion crust saves me the labor of slicing open one of these samples to prove it is a meteorite. So in total, I have about 10 to 15 Kg of chondritic meteorites. And I have an interesting question about meteorites for geologists. A question that very much may have relevance to water on Mars or the Moon. I am a bit hesitant to ask this question as it would reveal the site where I am finding these meteorites, but knowledge and understanding are more important than my greed to own meteorites. I have found these meteorites near a artesian water well. At first I thought someone transported those rocks to the water well. But later, as I found more pieces in a debris field in a radius around the water well and small fragment pieces, I realized these were not transported to the site but that they were naturally there. And with this latest rock proving that they are indeed meteorites, which brings me to the question. Can a large enough meteorite create a artesian water well? The huge meteor crater in Arizona, (Barringer if my memory of names is correct), did it cause a water source within that crater? NO Is there an artesian water source in that Arizona crater? NO. Has anyone found meteors connected to artesian water flows? NOT ONE PERSON HAS EVER. |
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meteorites create a Artesian Spring; best place to look on Mars and Moon found a 4.1 Kg chondritic meteorites
Last time I wrote about the meteorites I found, I mentioned that they
were near a artesian spring. I may have called it a "well" instead of a spring but it is a spring. Anyway, it looks like a meteorite of sizable impact can easily form a Artesian Spring as supporting evidence is large. Here is a Google search for "meteorite artesian spring" JSTOR: The Origin of the Carolina Bays The meteorite hypothesis proposes that a shower of meteorites fell on dry ... of the basins are advanced: updip migration of the artesian spring in response ... links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0016-7428(194304)33%3A2%3C341%3ATOOTCB %3E2.0.CO%3B2-1 - Similar pages - Note this Bottled Water | Artesian, Mineral, Spring, Sparkling, Well In the early days of the water industry, "mineral water" and "spring water" ... must be produced from an artesian well. To be an artesian well the water in ... geology.com/articles/bottled-water.shtml - 25k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Lake Tswaing is the only example of a lake occupying a meteorite impact crater in ... In addition, a few species of diatoms inhabit the artesian spring with its ... www.nfi.org.za/Tswaing/Lake.htm - 14k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this :: ALBERTS FARM IS ONLY ARTESIAN SPRING IN GAUTENG :: GAUTENG has a single artesian spring - on Alberts Farm in Albertskroon in ... The dome is a vast basin formed when a meteorite hit the earth some two ... www.joburg.org.za/2005/sep/sep19_albert.stm - 45k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this Uncategorized | TDG - Science, Magick, Myth and History Meteorite bolsters theory of how Earth got its evolutionary building blocks ANNE MCILROY ... Subaerial hypotheses include artesian spring sapping (Toumey, ... http://www.dailygrail.com/taxonomy/t...rn.com?page=26 - 77k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this The Carolina Bays Many geologists of the day were still taught that Meteor Crater in the Arizona ... 53) Johnson envisioned a vast series of artesian springs from which water ... www.georgehoward.net/cbays.htm - 58k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this [PDF] 1183.pdf File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML Geological scheme of Arkhys meteorite crater regions [1]. ... IO- Inclination and overturned beds, II - Epicentre of gravianomaly, I2 - Artesian springs. ... www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC99/pdf/1183.pdf - Similar pages - Note this [FLASH] West Hemisphere MER-B OPPORTUNITY LOCATION: MER-A SPIRIT East ... File Format: Shockwave Flash .... can also be made from ice heaving, and even by artesian spring deposits. ... HOLDEN CRATER Meteorite ALH 84001 is one of the oldest Martian meteorites. ... www.nmnaturalhistory.org/marsmer/expmars.swf - Similar pages - Note this Fall 2003 meeting abstracts, Georgia Southern University, Geology ... The case for a Vesta-HED meteorite connection has a firm mineralogical foundation. ... This research is significant since artesian springs have not been ... cost.georgiasouthern.edu/geo/Fall2003meetings.html - 35k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this --- end Google hit list --- Now, what I have to figure out is how the physics of the impact creates a Artesian Spring. There is a large clay deposit about 4 feet down and many feet thick. So I think a clay deposit has some role in forming a Artesian Spring when the meteorite hits. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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found a 2.7 & 6.4 Kg meteorites today meteorites create a Artesian Spring; best place to look on Mars and Moon found a 4.1 Kg chondritic meteorites
Today is my lucky day. By the way, does anyone know of some ancient
folklore or superstitution about finding meteorites in different cultures? What did the ancient Greeks or Romans think when they found a meteorite? Did they think it would bring a good life? Anyway, today I was walking in that meteorite debris field and found another rock just slightly peering out of the mud which appeared to have a fusion crust. So I dug it up; washed it off and took it home for testing. I test mostly for density and magnetism. If neither dense nor a small magnetic attraction then I dismiss the piece. Recently I found a glassy meteorite with only a slight magnetic attraction so if I find a ever so small magnetic attraction then I consider it a meteorite. I know of no other rocks except iron ore rocks that have a slight magnetic attraction. And I found this rock to be magnetic, however it is a small magnetism. And it is very dense. And about 2 months back I had found a large rock that had no magnetism but dense and thought it was not a meteorite. But after testing this smaller rock for slight magnetism I reopened the case for the larger rock. I found a spot on the larger rock that was slightly magnetic. So I concluded that both were meteorites. Here is a description of both these rocks: Meteorite A: weighs 2.7 Kg and measures 12cm X 9cm X 7 cm and is wedge shaped. The surface is smooth and looks granular with white and light green granular over 1/2 the surface and a black-brown fusion crust over the other 1/2 of the surface. Eye magnification of the surface reveals many specks of a white shiny metal. I see no "thumbprints". Slight and small magnetism in a certain spot. Meteorite B: weighs 6.4 Kg and measures 18cm X 12cm X 12cm and is also wedge shaped. The surface is very smooth except for what appears to be a few cracks. No thumbprints. No fusion crust. And the total surface looks dark green. Under magnification the surface reveals many speck like particles and many specks of shiny metal. The magnetism is better on this rock than rock A but it is not as magnetic as many of my other finds for which a magnetic sticks fast to the surface. Here the magnet simple is deflected when swung near the surface. I found B in the Artesian Spring water itself and may explain the smooth surface and no fusion crust as the water flow would have eroded the surface. I found A in the mud near the water flow and could also explain the smooth surface as caused by erosion. If all of these are meteorites, what is beginning to confuse me, is can you have such a variety of meteorites all in one debris field? Can you have chondrule meteorites and glassy meteorites and these smooth granular meteorites all in one meteor impact? From my many searches on the Web, noone addresses the issue of variety of meteorites all in one strike event? So can you have this diversity of meteorites in one fall event? And what is this green color all about? Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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found a 2.7 & 6.4 Kg meteorites today meteorites create a Artesian Spring; best place to look on Mars and Moon found a 4.1 Kg chondritic meteorites
a_plutonium wrote: (snipped) If all of these are meteorites, what is beginning to confuse me, is can you have such a variety of meteorites all in one debris field? Can you have chondrule meteorites and glassy meteorites and these smooth granular meteorites all in one meteor impact? From my many searches on the Web, noone addresses the issue of variety of meteorites all in one strike event? So can you have this diversity of meteorites in one fall event? And what is this green color all about? I should call it a strewnfield, not a debris field. But I looked up the Kansas meteorite strewnfield and it has a diverse variety of meteorites from pallasites to stony iron to almost pure iron. It is claimed that a truck sized asteroid hit Kansas in the Brenham region about 2,000 years ago. Now here in South Dakota near Vermillion it was reported that in 1952 in Centerville a meteorite went through the roof of a building. So I wonder if mine are connected to that 1952 fall. As for the green, both light green and dark green on two of my meteorites (if they are meteorites) is olivine mineral, something that is found rarely on rocks on the surface of Earth because it is mantle rock. So if I truly have two rocks of olivine, it is more likely they are meteorites rather than mantle rocks finding their way to the surface. Is there an easy test for olivine? Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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my pallasites compared to the Brenham Kansas pallasites found a 2.7 & 6.4 Kg meteorites today
a_plutonium wrote: a_plutonium wrote: (snipped) If all of these are meteorites, what is beginning to confuse me, is can you have such a variety of meteorites all in one debris field? Can you have chondrule meteorites and glassy meteorites and these smooth granular meteorites all in one meteor impact? From my many searches on the Web, noone addresses the issue of variety of meteorites all in one strike event? So can you have this diversity of meteorites in one fall event? And what is this green color all about? I should call it a strewnfield, not a debris field. But I looked up the Kansas meteorite strewnfield and it has a diverse variety of meteorites from pallasites to stony iron to almost pure iron. It is claimed that a truck sized asteroid hit Kansas in the Brenham region about 2,000 years ago. Now here in South Dakota near Vermillion it was reported that in 1952 in Centerville a meteorite went through the roof of a building. So I wonder if mine are connected to that 1952 fall. As for the green, both light green and dark green on two of my meteorites (if they are meteorites) is olivine mineral, something that is found rarely on rocks on the surface of Earth because it is mantle rock. So if I truly have two rocks of olivine, it is more likely they are meteorites rather than mantle rocks finding their way to the surface. Is there an easy test for olivine? My two pallasites look like the picture of this Kansas pallasite: http://www.geotimes.org/jan06/NN_Brenhammeteor.html Only mine are very much more fine-grained and one is very green. The other is mostly whitish with light green with a fusion crust. I am guessing that mine are less dense than the Brenham pallasite. My 2.7KG is the size volume of a quart yogurt container. And judging from the picture above, mine would be less dense. Perhaps it is because mine is more olivine and less metal, which is confirmed by the fact that mine is only slightly magnetic. I am guessing the Brenham is largely magnetic as that is how the hunters found it by magnetic detectors. I doubt my rocks would set off a magnetic detector as it only slightly deflects a magnet. Perhaps, just maybe, my meteorites are not with the 1952 Centerville South Dakota fall but perhaps mine are connected with the Brenham fall. Maybe what fell in Kansas, part of the event ended up here in South Dakota. Now I wonder if there are Artesian Springs in that Kansas vicinity of the Brenham meteorite strikes? Are there more artesian springs where the meteorites are found than other outlying areas of Kansas? Because I have the notion that if a meteorite strikes an area with underground water, that it has the proclivity of forming a Artesian Spring. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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Native American involvement with my meteorite finds found a 2.7 & 6.4 Kg meteorites today
Now I read somewhere that Native Americans often looked for meteorites
to make tools because of the iron content is of a iron that does not rust easily and thus a tool crafted from iron nickel meteorites held an edge. So one can visualize Native Americans saving meteorites for tools. And possibly explain my meteorite finds. In that the most recent were these two pallasites weighing 2.7 and 6.4 Kg with their very fine grained and smooth surface that I could picture them using those olivine meteorites to pound and grind grain and other foodstuffs. And thus explain why those meteorites are so smooth. And why they are shaped in a form as to be a tool. And this would explain why the meteorites are found at the Artesian Spring, is not because the Fall event occurred at the Spring but that Native Americans frequented the Spring and camped there and used those meteorites as tools having gathered the meteorites elsewhere. Trouble with that picture is that I collected a large bottle of small meteorites in early spring this year from the adjacent farm field which had been plowed. And I found these meteorites of about the size of my thumb nail on the top of the dirt which the underlying dirt had been blown away or eroded away. Which tells me that next year as the farmer plows the land, that more of these meteorite fragments will be pushed to the surface and wind erosion will make them stick out. So this tells me that Native Americans did not bring these meteorites to this site but that it was a natural Fall event. Whether the meteorite created the Artesian Spring is unknown to me. But perhaps Native Americans came into this area and found some of those meteorites and used them as tools. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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My meteorites came from Vesta asteroid? So far my total meteorite recovery approaches approx 50 Kg of material; how much mass to reshape geography
--- quoting from http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/PSRDglossary.html#E Eucrite: A common class of achondrite meteorites composed of pigeonite and plagioclase. These meteorites formed as basaltic flows on a parent body, probably asteroid 4 Vesta. --- end quoting I find it remarkable that a meteorite here on Earth can be assigned with some assurance to a astro body. That if all my meteorite finds are eucrite and basaltic would have likely come from Vesta. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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radioactive aluminum-26 possibly in my samples My meteorites came from Vesta asteroid?
http://www.solarviews.com/eng/vesta.htm
According to that website, my meteorites, if eucrites and from Vesta, may contain radioactive aluminum-26. Perhaps I should be more careful in washing my hands after handling my meteorites. Amazing how a small rock like Vesta could have ever had a magma. One would think only planet sized objects can have magmas. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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perhaps mine is related to the 1933 Sioux County, NE eucrite meteorite My meteorites came from Vesta asteroid?
I was searching for information on eucrite meteorites and found this page: --- quoting from http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1984LPI....15..603N Molybdenum in Eucrites, New Evidence for a Metal Core in Vesta (eucrite Parent Body) Authors: Newsom, H. E. Affiliation: AA(MAX-PLANCK-INSTITUT FUR CHEMIE, --- end quoting It cited a eucrite meteor of "Sioux County" and found it to be a Nebraska meteorite that fell in year 1933. Of course this county is on opposite sides of the state from Vermillion South Dakota but it is known that that strewnfield of a meteor event can be a distance apart. So maybe mine are connected to the 1933 event. If mine turn out to be genuine eucrite meteorites from Vesta, then mine maybe contain molybdenum and radioactive aluminum. Now I wonder if I can test for radioactivity of a meteorite by placing unexposed photograph film underneath? A repeat experiment of Becquerel 1896 in which he discovered radioactivity. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies |
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