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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 7, 12:28*pm, Paul Cardinale wrote:
On Feb 6, 2:24*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 11:36*am, Paul Cardinale wrote: An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. Says you. *Tell us again how you've been there and having objectively done that EH thing. Idiot. *The term "event horizon" is well defined. *There is no mystery about what it refers to. *As I said, it refers to a locus of points. And I say it’s comprised of a relatively thin shell of a super-solid molecular form of helium that’s relatively hollow inside, plus hosting a little of whatever else happened to be in the area at the time of its formation, plus naturally gaining whatever else gets sucked in over time. In this instance, my BH/EH theory trumps yours, not to mention whatever mpc755 would have to offer is going to trump practically everything, including my stuff. If the EH only requires a gravity force of 300,000 km/sec in order for its innards to remain stealth, in which case that’s really not imposing all that great of surrounding density, or at least not a very thick shell of it. Are there any surface detections of a neutron star? Supposedly the core temperature of a neutron star gets to start off at 1e12 K, although that’s only a theory, and the surface gravity should make it difficult to objectively detect even its surface temp of supposedly 1e6 K (giving off X-rays and gamma), should represent that even those local X-rays and gamma of its surface simply can not be so easily detected without the localized gravity redshift issues. However, getting 3 km away from the center of a 1 Ms, or 300 km away from the center of a 100 Ms quark star or BH is obviously what can be detected as badly redshifted photons attempting to enter or exit while otherwise badly blueshifted photon waves are materializing on their to/ from trek, either of which easily confused or distorted by way of secondary/recoil photon issues. For now, all we have to go by is math and computer simulations, because any actual surface images of a neutron star or even that of a nearby white dwarf are unavailable. Good grief, they still can’t even get a surface photosphere image of Sirius(a), not to mention Venus being invisible from the naked surface of our physically dark moon. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 6, 11:45*am, "Lord Androcles, Zeroth Earl of Medway"
wrote: "Paul Cardinale" *wrote in message ... An event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. ================================================== ===== Energy is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a focus of temperature. *You cannot make an energy detector because there is nothing to detect. Oops! yes you can. A Crapinale is a thing. *It is composed of something. *It is an idiot. *You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. Was that context supposed to be an example of "Crapinale"? Are you like Paul, suggesting that BHs or EHs can’t be imaged? It seems to me that any void of photons is going to be every bit as good as any saturation source of photons, especially when the BH/EH is unavoidably surrounded by sufficient molecular stuff (including stars) that’s interacting by displacing through the local aether associated with the BH/EH, and this gets way better yet when those polar jets are caught in the act of either spewing stuff or sucking it in. Perhaps within the LQG of 4 billion light years worth of absolutely massive quasars and other stuff, there will be at least a billion BH/ EH items to consider. Our galaxy should offer at least a million, although some have been willing to suggest 100 million BHs coexist within our galaxy, though most being too small and/or too far away to notice. A suggestion that our universe is capable of producing a BH/ sec should give us some idea as to how many have been created thus far. The Great Attractor(GA) could be home to any large number of BH/ EH items, or at least will soon enough become BH/EH populated once whatever is left of our galaxy arrives behind Andromeda and a few thousand other galaxies showing up for the party. This is all good stuff to know about, not that humans on Earth will exist for all that much longer. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
Brad Guth with [add-on] wrote:
An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy .... ..... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... its escape velocity at the EH surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light. Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG? [add-on]: Is that about right?... Of course you can always [add-on]: pretend that such isn't possible.. Hebe Herbie wrote: Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory] "Sam Wormley" wrote: Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct. "Paul Cardinale" wrote: Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It is a locus of points. You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies of wrote: A Crapinale is a thing. It is composed of something. It is an idiot. You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. hanson wrote: See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha... Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks. ahahaha.... ahahahanson |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 7, 8:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 * *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon.. * *Something like 2GM/c^2. * *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass * *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our * *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that * *mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro realm its a buckyball. *Softest surface is a black hole. *IT GIVES NO RESISTANCE GOING IN *In micro realm its space. *TreBert H-Bombs going off on a neutron star could not scratch its surface. An elephant on a neutron star would be flatterned to the thickness of a proton. If not for spin in would be almost a perfect sphere. TreBert |
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On Feb 7, 8:58*pm, "hanson" wrote:
Brad Guth with [add-on] wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy .... .... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... *its escape velocity at the EH surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light. Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. *As this EH and its BH **** innards **** fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG? [add-on]: Is that about right?... Of course you can always [add-on]: pretend that such isn't possible.. Hebe Herbie wrote: Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory] "Sam Wormley" wrote: *Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct. "Paul Cardinale" wrote: Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. *It is not composed of anything. *It is a locus of points. *You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. John Porker, strutting in his pink Androcies wrote: A Crapinale is a thing. *It is composed of something. *It is an idiot. *You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. hanson wrote: See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with your own Guthian ***innards***..... ahahaha... ahahaha... Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks. ahahaha.... ahahahanson And once again, as per usual your topic/author stalking contributes nothing, and only makes everything seem meaningless. Your replies to this and every other topic within Usenet/newsgroups is clearly focused upon mainstream damage control. If I were put in charge of our Pentagon/DoD, FEMA, ATF, CIA/NSA/DHS, DARPA and NASA damage-control, I'd be paying individuals like yourself a minimum of one dollar per posted topic or reply, and for the best clowns and FUD-masters I'd pay $10/reply or new topic, plus I'd offer a $125,000 annual bonus for the most topic/author stalking, and up to double that amount for each and every key person that you mange to get messed up enough as to taking their own life. The key mainstream damage-control policy or focus here, is for you guys and gals to make our public Usenet/newsgroups as crappy and/or X- rated as possible, so that K-12s and the general public doesn't bother to read any of it, or much less dare to take any of it seriously. |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 8, 5:55*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote: On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 * *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon. * *Something like 2GM/c^2. * *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass * *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our * *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that * *mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro realm its a buckyball. *Softest surface is a black hole. *IT GIVES NO RESISTANCE GOING IN *In micro realm its space. *TreBert H-Bombs going off on a neutron star could not scratch its surface. An elephant on a neutron star would be flatterned to the thickness of a proton. *If not for spin in would be almost a perfect sphere. *TreBert Neutron stars are probably flat as a pancake if they spin as fast as some claim. Possibly neutron stars and black holes are more toroid shaped. |
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"Brad Guth" is apparently becoming embarrassed [see add-ons] because of what he, Brad, wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3.. snip more EH (Extremly Hilarious) lunacy .... ..... this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 .... its escape velocity at the EH surface of solid He is 134 times greater than the speed of light. Packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. Of course the shape of this EH volume could be a complex toroid instead of the simple sphere, thus giving polar pathways in or out of each and every hollow black hole EH. As this EH and its BH ___**** innards ****___ fill up is when (according to mpc755) those polar jets kick out or vent their energy and aether which condensates back into matter. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? How many billions of BHs are part of the LQG? [add-on1]: Is that about right?... Of course you can [add-on1]: always pretend that such isn't possible.... [add-on2]: and it is clearly focused on damage control. Hebe Herbie wrote: Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons.... [Referring to his "Photon-Suck-theory] "Sam Wormley" wrote: Brad, try not to be so stooopid. Paul is correct. "Paul Cardinale" wrote: Brad, an event horizon is not a thing. It is not composed of anything. It is a locus of points. You cannot make an event horizon detector because there is nothing to detect. John Porker, strutting in his pink unisex Androcies of wrote: A Crapinale is a thing. It is composed of something. It is an idiot. You can make a Crapinale detector because it babbles nonsense about nonsense. hanson wrote: See, Brad, buy & put on some of John Parker's pink unisex Androcies underwear and then you can keep on to "babble nonsense about nonsense" topping it with your own Guthian ____***innards***___..... ahahaha... ahahaha... Brad you are always good for laughs. Thanks. ahahaha.... ahahahanson |
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How solid or hollow is a BH(black hole)?
On Feb 8, 10:34*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 8, 5:55*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote: On Feb 7, 8:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote: On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass.. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. |
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Here are my favorite pieces (i.e. the funniest parts) of your stupid
rant: "... it’s comprised of ..." "... my BH/EH theory ..." "... a gravity force of 300,000 km/sec ..." "... surface detections ..." "... badly redshifted photons attempting to enter or exit ..." "... badly blueshifted photon waves are materializing ..." (What? No 'badly greenshifted photons'?) |
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On Feb 8, 5:55*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:30*am, "G=EMC^2" wrote: On Feb 6, 6:13*pm, Brad Guth wrote: On Feb 6, 6:27*am, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 It really doesn’t take all that much math in order to establish that a EH thin shell comprised of 1g/cm3 density would amount to 2.666e47 kg, giving a surface escape velocity demand of 8.674e7 km/sec or 289 times faster than the speed of light, and that’s if the entire internal volume of this EH sphere were absolutely devoid of any other mass. *If this same thin EH shell was instead comprised of a superfluid of solid helium at .214 g/cm3 would still easily provide more than sufficient mass of 5.7e46 kg, so that its escape velocity of 4.01e7 km/sec at the EH surface of solid helium is offering 134 times greater than the speed of light. So, where’s the need of any solid BH body of mass? Why not permit hollow and empty EH spheres to exist? *http://www.1728.org/diam.htm *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity *Of course once inside of this extremely thin EH shell is going to represent zero gravity regardless of the EH shell density and its mass, offering a light year diameter sphere of containing whatever. Changing the EH shell diameter and its thickness to suit whatever you like, and run the math through these same online calculators in order to test out your ideas as to what a hollow BH or EH could have to offer. *Filling this hollow BH or EH with weird aether or whatever else you can think of, as such will only add to the escape velocity, such as including an enormous solar system of 2e31 kg is literally adding a mere drop to this enormous bucket of mass, and the same goes for packing our EH hollow sphere with aether worth 2e33 kg is still insignificant. *http://translate.google.com/# *Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG, Guth Usenet/”Guth Venus”, GuthVenus Sam has once again confirmed for us, that the EH escape velocity only needs to be slightly greater than ‘c’ for an given black hole. *I would have expected it needed at least 2c worth of gravity pull at the EH in order to keep all them photon waves from ever escaping or from otherwise triggering external photons. On Feb 6, 10:06 am, Sam Wormley wrote: On 2/6/13 7:49 AM, Brad Guth wrote: An EH(event horizon) sphere of 1 ly diameter and having a shell thickness of .0001 ly (9.4605e8 km) offers a thin shell volume of 2.666e44 m3 * *It is the mass that determines the radius of the event horizon. * *Something like 2GM/c^2. * *A black hole with an event horizon of 1 light year has a mass * *of 6.37e+42 kg inside that event horizon. To the best of our * *knowledge, there is no known force that would prevent that * *mass from collapsing. Thanks for that reminder of mainstream thinking. *Or perhaps we might consider that just the EH shell itself is all that has to be worth 6.37e42 kg. What’s the required pull of gravity at the EH? (is it 423,974 km/sec, or isn’t it just ‘c’ or otherwise at most 2c?) *http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/as...scape_velocity How many millions or possibly billions of BHs are part of the LQG? The Huge-LQG of 4 billion ly diameter is simply one heck of a black hole factory. *The LQG itself is also capable of imposing a considerable cosmic lens issue, although this multiple of enormous clusters of merged galaxies along with hosting 73+ quasars inside of this monster, should also be offering the most impressive assortment of secondary cosmic lens issues, especially magnified and distorted with its all-inclusive collective worth of perhaps 1e19 Ms (2e49 kg). Hardest surface is that of a neutron star in the macro. In the micro realm its a buckyball. *Softest surface is a black hole. *IT GIVES NO RESISTANCE GOING IN *In micro realm its space. *TreBert H-Bombs going off on a neutron star could not scratch its surface. An elephant on a neutron star would be flatterned to the thickness of a proton. *If not for spin in would be almost a perfect sphere. *TreBert I remember reading a whole scientific treatise on the mountain and valley landscape of a neutron star. Of course it was all on a miniature scale. Double-A |
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