Is The Hunt For The 'God Particle' Finally Over? : NPR

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/02/155994...e-finally-over

"Our former director, Leon Lederman, called the Higgs particle the 'God particle,' " Lykken says. "It was not meant to be a religious comment; it was meant to express our understanding of how the universe works. We think without a Higgs boson, you can't have a universe in the first place."

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:33:14 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:

http://www.npr.org/

You should not post references to that liberal cesspit organization known
as NPR. Even within a scientific context, we are all better off without
their mindless aggregations of postmodernist ideology.

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:33:14 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:


"Our former director, Leon Lederman, called the Higgs particle the
'God particle,' " Lykken says. "It was not meant to be a religious comment;
it was meant to express our understanding of how the universe works. We
think without a Higgs boson, you can't have a universe in the first place."


God said: "Let there be light!"

But He made no comment about the "dark" matter that seems to predominate
in our universe. The Higgs will give a big boost the the Standard Model
but the SM, because it cannot account for DM, is already destined to be
provisional and incomplete.

God must not be the only player.

Den 02.07.2012 18:54, skrev Chris Richardson:
On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 11:33:14 -0500, Sam Wormley wrote:


"Our former director, Leon Lederman, called the Higgs particle the
'God particle,' " Lykken says. "It was not meant to be a
religious comment; it was meant to express our understanding of how
the universe works. We think without a Higgs boson, you can't have
a universe in the first place."


God said: "Let there be light!"

But He made no comment about the "dark" matter that seems to
predominate in our universe. The Higgs will give a big boost the
the Standard Model but the SM, because it cannot account for DM, is
already destined to be provisional and incomplete.

God must not be the only player.

J.B.S. Haldane discovered that long time ago:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/hald.../oncslewis.htm
As a scientist I am particularly interested in his attitude to my
profession. There is one decent scientist in the three books, a
physicist who is murdered by the devil-worshippers before we have
got to know him. The others have an ideology which ranges from a
Kiplingesque contempt for "natives" to pure "national socialism,"
with the devil substituted for the God whose purposes Hitler claimed
to carry out. As a matter of fact, very few scientists of any note
outside Germany and Italy have become Fascists. In France only one,
the engineer Claude, did so, though the Catholic biologist Carrel
came back from the U.S.A. to support the Vichy government. A very
much larger fraction of the clerical, legal, and literary
professions bowed the knee to Baal.

Weston is recognisable as a scientist; Frost and Wither, the
devil-worshippers, are not. They talk like some of the less efficient
of the Public Relations Officers who defend Big Business, and even
Mr. Lewis did not dare to assign them to any particular branch of
science. At a guess I should put them as psychologists who had early
deserted the scientific aspect of psychology for its mythological
developments.

Mr. Lewis's idea is clear enough. The application of science to human
affairs can only lead to hell. This world is largely run by the
Devil. "The shadow of the dark wing is over all Tellus," and the best
we can do is to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling.
Revealed religion tells us how to do this. Any human attempts at a
planned world are merely playing into the hands of the Devil. Auld
Hornie, by the way, to use the pet name which the Scots have given
him, perhaps in thanks for his attacks on the Sabbath, has been in
charge of our planet since before life originated on it. He even had
a swipe at Mars, and removed much of its atmoshpere. Some time in the
future Jesus and the good angels will take our planet over from him.
Meanwhile the Church is a resistance movement, but liberation must
await a celestial D-Day. The destruction of Messrs. Frost and Wither
was only a commando operation comparable with the bombardment of
Sodom and Gomorrah.
--
jo
"Every time you understand something, religion becomes less likely."
--James Watson & Francis Crick

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:22:06 +0200, Jo Stein wrote:

J.B.S. Haldane discovered that long time ago:

Mr. Lewis's idea is clear enough. The application of science to human
affairs can only lead to hell. This world is largely run by the
Devil. "The shadow of the dark wing is over all Tellus," and the best
we can do is to work out our own salvation in fear and trembling.
Revealed religion tells us how to do this. Any human attempts at a
planned world are merely playing into the hands of the Devil.

This excerpt is largely a non-sequitur extension of the original
theme, but it still deserves some little comment.

Religion occurs in two principle aspects: the practical and the
mystical.

The Haldane response concerns practical religion which is essentially
an application of *morality.* (Note: morality is based more or less on
realism and hence it can be scientific, but that is a different story
and won't be pursued here.)

The idea of "God" in particle physics concerns the *mystical* aspect
of religion and refers to the quest for a transcendent unification
with the all-pervading Godhead.

But as I mentioned, the Standard Model cannot represent the terminus
of this mystical quest because the concept of Dark Matter has thrown
a monkey wrench into the machinery.

On 02/07/2012 17:33, Sam Wormley wrote:
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/02/155994...e-finally-over


"Our former director, Leon Lederman, called the Higgs particle the
'God particle,' "


It was his publisher that did that according to..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7BC28H20111213

"Physicists say Lederman, who over the years has been the target of much
opprobrium from his scientific colleagues, tells friends he wanted to
call the book "The Goddamned Particle" to reflect frustration at the
failure to find it.

But, according to that account, his publisher rejected the epithet -
possibly because of its potential to upset a strongly religious U.S.
public - and convinced Lederman to accept the alternative he proposed"

On Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:52:28 +0100, CWatters wrote:


he wanted to
call the book "The Goddamned Particle" to reflect frustration at the
failure to find it.


Sure. The damned Higgs particle would have already been found
about ten years ago if the shortsighted and timorous US Congress
had not not canceled the Superconducting Supercollider (SSC).

The SSC would already have been operating years ago at *four times*
the energy that the LHC will not even attempt until 2014.

This point cannot be hammered too strongly. US political
backwardness has severely stalled high energy physics.

"Particle physicists" will announce Wednesday, the 4th of July, that
footprints, or or a shadow, of a mathematical fantasy called the God
particle, all but proving it exists, but can't be seen.


Two independent teams of "particle physicists" are cautious, after
spending $Billions, and working for decades on the Fantasy, won't call
it a discovery, but a eureka announcement.

They hope to explain why matter has mass, which combines with gravity to
give an object weight.

In electronic science, kinetic energy is stored in an inductor (in a
magnetic field) instead of a mass, although a magnetic field is a mass,
particle physicists don't look at it that way) This property is called
inductance instead of inertia.


Good luck with their false concepts, that won't ever fly in the real
world.


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