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Heard too much and need to vent.
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Heard too much and need to vent.
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:01:34 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote: "Cardman" wrote in message .. . Never once, but if this is a government thing, then it is not like congress wants NASA to make profit from the ISS. No, but they've also made it clear they aren't about to fund a colony. I am not surprised if NASA wants $240 billion for a Mars mission. and upkeep What upkeep exactly? Oh, things like when the springs on your Moon buggy go. Yes I can see that happening due to the amount of mass that I will be putting in them. When you need more lubricant for the spacelock, Lubricant is easy enough to deal with, when sure enough we would bring loads of it on the initial launches. replacing your space suits due to wear and tear. Well in most cases these things are best patched up. Only if the rubber pressure layer in the inside leaks (whoops...), or the suit has sizable wear would in need replacing, otherwise we can just attach some teflon patches to the worn areas. Just little things like that. Yes and all things that will be well stocked during the construction of my Moon Base, where yearly resupply flights will keep my spares department topped up. and lodging, We live in a cave below the moons surface. And those are furnished how? Everything needed for establishing the Moon Base will be mostly brought across long before the people land. The first group of people across will have the job of cutting the cave, installing the airlocks, pressurizing it, filling it with the equipment all reader for the other colonists. Second phase is to work on the water extraction, planting, water and waste recycling and most of all power. Recently I have decided to fit emergency pressure doors into my cave system, in case of unlikely accident. Also I will keep the construction area away from the other areas, noise, dust and all that. Solar panels provide the required electricity and just about everything is recycled. And you replace the solar panels with what as they degrade? Come on they don't degrade that quickly after the initial fall over the first couple of days. These fields of solar panels will do just fine. In the long term due to increases in electrical consumption there would always be the option to go nuclear. And how exactly do you deal with 14 days of no sunlight? Not a problem. In the area where we are based, near where the water is in constant darkness, then there is an area in the middle of the crater that is raised and receives sunlight all year round. That as already estimated by scientists is the perfect place to put down solar panels in this valuable water area. Yes, one of our very skilled and highly trained engineers. Who tend to want money. Either that or to have their name go down in Lunar history. They either tend to have student loans to pay off, My company would consider covering some such expenses, but this is like a sell up and move trip. One popular option I expect would be to rent out their home while they are away. or families to support Well I am into moving whole families here, when these people won't be coming back to Earth other than once in a blue moon. People with children are best avoided, when this is clearly no place for children, where in unusual cases children can be left in the care of relatives. One day when it is safe enough can we allow children as well. or computer habits to support. Oh we will have computers here, where you can be sure about that. And we will even have an Internet connection as well. I am concerned about the Earth to Moon data rate though, when such a slow speed does not sound suitable for a high speed Internet backbone. Yes I was counting on that, where I figure on an inner and outer door of about two meters in diameter. I suppose you can have these doors square if desired, but that would mean adjust the shape of the tunnel at that point. 2 meters? Have you looked at the size of your earth moving equipment? Try 10 meters. Well for a start any Moon mining is very unlikely to be in the same area as our initial Moon Base, where also I would simply refuse to have heavy trucks in this same cave. So if we are going to be doing heavy Moon mining, then I am only happy to create are more remote mining base. Just in case the air cannot be recovered to a high enough degree, then I was thinking about cutting a second smaller tunnel up to the surface, when this human and light equipment exit would make use of a much smaller airlock. That's standard right there. Then I would be unhappy about this air loss, where what is lost would need to be topped up. Maybe the best system is a series of pressure doors, where the air gets thinner and thinner between each door? Depends on what the void does to lubricants? As mentioned this equipment would be internally heated to stop the extreme cold. It tends to dry them out. Then is there no lubricant that does not dry out? Well my equipment will need regular servicing anyway to keep it in prime condition. How do you deal with moondust eating away at everything? Not a problem, when the entire area around the moon base would be paved over. Umm, if it's paved over, how are you mining anything? Only the area around my Moon Base is paved over, where we would not be mining things here. Apart from the cave insides of course, which would be handled by a series of small trucks. Sure things like aluminum and iron would need to be mined and processed, but this would be done in other locations, where they would usually travel down roads. You're not very consistent in your plans here. And I thought that we had moved on to asteroid mining, which has no moon dust problems. As all you need then is to launch your cargo at the correct speed, where days later it would land within a few miles of where it is needed. You might want think about that a bit more. Considering it's never been DONE. It has never been done before, because no one has been on the likes of the Moon to do it before. All it requires is the precise knowledge of the Earth and Moon positions, travel distance and time, where with precise equipment sure enough cargo can be launched and to hit the Earth's atmosphere in about the right place. It can certainly be done, where all it requires is the hardware and some testing to confirm the accuracy. Over time the accuracy can be improved. Umm, over time you get sued and go bankrupt after you drop a boulder on the Eifel tower. For a start we would never consider dropping these things in one of the most densely populated areas. See you are always looking for the worst possible option. One possible location would be at the poles, where this extreme cold keeps the people away and this is a large enough area to handle a little inaccuracy. It is also in constant access day or night, where we could well be sending back many tons each day when things pick up. Just have some helicopters fly around the area locating this cargo and hauling them back to base. Well those tests would just burn up in the atmosphere. What tests, you seemed to think you could do it right with just a little programming work. It is all mathematics and engineering. Where of course testing using the nearby moon rocks is needed to confirm accuracy before sending valuable cargo bouncing off the atmosphere. And even with tests, I can assure you that these tests will burn up in the atmosphere, where even hitting an orbiting satellite is highly remote. you're still going to need insurance. Certainly, but as I said insurance won't be a problem, when it is a million to one shot to hit something even if you was aiming for it. Like my launch system could be set to target my polar HQ, where at best it would land within a few miles of this location. Do that a million times though and you may one day hit spot on. I was planning on electric for a reason... So, how are they charged? Either from the main source of solar panels or to refill the fuel cells with the obvious gasses. What's the storage mechanism? I was thinking along the line of some Lithium Iron rechargeable batteries, due to their high capacity. However, the important aspect here is more one of longevity than capacity. After all it is not like I won't have batteries by the hundreds, when it takes lots of power for a whole base. What's the duty cycle? etc. That is one of those things that is only important once I go shopping for Moon Base parts. And apart from out original cave cutter, then we do not really need heavy earth moving equipment. Umm, I thought we were discussing MINING. Sure if you want to do moon mining, but the valuable stuff is to be found in asteroid mining. Or that is what you are only happy to say... And I don't see that a too major mining operation is needed for our requirement on local resources. How do you do that w/o earth moving equipment? On a much smaller scale. Sure if things do turn out well, then we can have some real earth moving hardware moved over, but that sounds like running before you have learned to crawl. How do you replace that power/weight ratio on the Moon? One simple fact is that if needed these astronauts can move my large slabs and equipment no problem. This is the Moon remember, where things weigh a lot less. But they mass the same. Note here on Earth, mass is used to HELP Earth moving equipment. Yes, but on the Moon you just need to be extra careful with the starting and stopping. Mass is a function of acceleration and deceleration, where the weight would indeed be less. So vehicles could indeed carry a lot more mass, as long as they moved at a slow careful rate. They tend to do that on Earth as well, but not to this same extreme. And sure electric powered vehicles are common, which would usually be powered by hydrogen based fuel cells. Don't forget your O2. Naturally. And of course you need to be cracking that from something. Any ideas? Umm, no, the market is not there yet. Maybe, because no one is really selling He3. No, there's no market for it. There's no major use for it at this time. I can assure you that there would be buyers, where even China with their moon base idea is planning on getting some He3. And I can certainly supply to meet demand, where if demand dries up, then I just stop getting it. One subject that I am surprised that you have not mentioned yet is that it is not easy getting this He3, when it is spread across the surface and would need to be separated from the other junk. With your pessimistic nature I am surprised that you even consider that breathing is worth the effort. ;-] Who said I'm pessimistic? Always looking for the worst option. Like I am going to hit the eiffel tower... I'm just pointing the flaws in your design. My plan is flawless. :-] Well they already launch loads into orbit, where putting it on the Moon instead makes for easy upgrade and servicing. Hardly. You get less coverage, you're 1000 times further away, etc. Well I am still happy to entertain their Lunar requirements. Apart from the technicalities my plan is sound enough. Again, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln? It started off well enough... Cardman. |
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