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Old May 29th 17, 05:06 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From a Private Pad

Poor Mookie. The CEO of the company doesn't know what he's talking
about and Mookie knows better.

Phew, what a loony.

William Mook wrote:

McCall takes everything out of context, which is usual for him.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/...it-to-space-2/

This FIRST LAUNCH of the Electron was a TEST LAUNCH. Orbit would have been nice to achieve and was a goal, but wasn't achieved in this case. Had it been achieved, without major mishap, dropping one test launch, would have been nice for the budget. However, a lot of BS is spun out as fact around sci.space - largely due to people like McCall taking things out of context.

Fact: RocketLab already has commercial clients.

Fact: RocketLab is planning two more TEST launches in the THREE LAUNCH TEST SEQUENCE prior to committing to its FIRST COMMERCIAL LAUNCH, WHICH IS ALREADY BOOKED.

Fact: RocketLab is committed to a programme of continuous improvement that allows it to adjust its digital tooling and rapid production chain to take advantage of lessons learned.

lol.

As the man once said, You ain't seen nothin' yet!

* * *

Mini-satellites of immense capacity!

* * *

Some very exciting commercial payloads are forthcoming putting New Zealand in a very strong position to participate in the small satellite marketplace and delivering very interesting capabilities.

One is a lunar landing and return robot previously described, that provides;

(1) lunar video
(2) lunar photogrammetry
(3) lunar payload delivery (and return)
(4) lunar sample return (jewelry)

* * *

Another is a deep space Li-Fi network

* * *

https://energy.gov/eere/solar/downlo...-concentrators

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14758

Another is a 3 MW laser based solar power satellite

* * *

Another is a 1.25 MW laser based solar power satellite - AT MARS

Giving routine delivery and return of 150 kg payloads to and from Mars orbit and Deimos and Phobos - and providing communications and live access to users anywhere.

* * *

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...78/18/6/063002

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1251612/

A Li-Fi based telecommunications system, that provides broadband from deep space, in GEO, Earth Moon Lagrange Points, and Sol Earth Lagrange Points - Sol Mars Lagrange Points - Deimos and Phobos - combined with advanced AI for mission planning and control - provide a sound basis for deep space missions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_...ation_in_space

Li-Fi routers on orbit that provide uplink downlink using 802.11a virtual cells doppler corrected and stationary relative to the Earth's surface, despite being 'painted' by moving satellites, provide free global mesh net discoverable by any device with wi-fi or bluetooth capability.

* * *

MEMS Based Ion Engine

http://www.accion-systems.com/accion-tech/

For high efficiency, deep space booster, using a solar pumped electro-spray ion engine, and a laser pumped electro-spray ion engine that's powered from a solar pumped laser satellite re, form the basis of a deep space stage of immense capacity.

* * *

http://lasermotive.com/

A solar pumped laser power satellite that beams energy to receivers on Earth using a conjugate optics to maintain safe reliable precise tracking.

  #12  
Old May 29th 17, 05:23 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From aPrivate Pad

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 2:13:48 PM UTC+12, Jeff Findley wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 2:05:18 AM UTC+12, Jeff Findley wrote:

I'm surprised they got as far as they did.

But yes, there is a bit of a PR spin going on in the news articles.
This was a test flight and it was mostly successful... mostly. But it
did not go into orbit, so it's not quite ready for paying customers who
expect their satellite to be placed into earth orbit.

Still, SpaceX had several Falcon 1 failures before they finally "got it
right". This stuff isn't easy.


Jeff,

RocketLab received $75 million a few months ago, and announced
three TEST FLIGHT prior to committing to their first COMMERCIAL
LAUNCH.


Yes, this has been reported.

Had everything gone perfectly, the company may have dropped one
test launch. As it stands, they will review 25,000 channels of
data collected,


Yes that 25,000 channels of data collected has been reported too.

and run it through their automated design and production process.


You make it sound like Rocket Lab has some sort of artificial
intelligence that can take 25,000 channels of data from a test launch
and tweak the production process without human intervention.


You make **** up and then gripe about what you make up. lol. What I said is true. What you said. Not so much.

That
simply isn't true though.


The part you made up isn't true. I agree.

That data will be interpreted by engineers,


Of course, with assistance from computers. You're the one who made up **** about no human intervention. OF COURSE their engineers will review everything.

not by some "automated design and production process".


You haven't done much engineering for production recently have you? lol. Production tools have become highly automated over the past few years.

Their tooling is largely digitally defined, and they have an
awesome system of continuous improvement building their hardware
with equipment that others might have called in an earlier day
rapid prototyping. Their next rocket will have some awesome
improvements, and their next one after that. As they strive
and achieve perfection.


I'll wait to see how the next couple of launches go.


Quite right! They planned three test launches, and intend to take advantage of all three to exercise their system before going to their commercial campaigns. Observers will be surprised by the rapidity of the process. A Delta campaign takes years. A RocketLab campaign will take weeks.

Like I said, this
stuff isn't easy.


True, but its getting easier.

http://www.ulalaunch.com/uploads/doc...lEventsDIV.pdf

United Launch Alliance points out that the Delta IV has a 40 year history, and to create the EELV and Delta Heavy it took $60 billion and 30 years leading up to that point.

SpaceX took 15 years and $10 billion to achieve what they have.

RocketLab took 4 years and $100 million.

True, 150 kg to SSO is not 53,000 kg - but Electron places 250 kg into Low inclination orbits from their Kennedy Space Center launch site, and its good to remember that the original Thor Delta put up only 226 kg back in the day.

configured as a common core booster, with two liquid fuelled strap-ons, operating as an additional stage, payload of 625 kg is achieved. Adding four liquid fuelled strap-ons as another added stage, increases payload capacity to 1,625 kg!

Without major tooling changes AT ALL.

Running out of money before successfully making orbit
has happened to other start-ups in the past.


True of any business.

It could happen again,


With RocketLab's launch book and capabilities, it is unlikely to happen to them.

even though I hope it doesn't.


Yeah, I can feel the love! lol.


Jeff
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PILOTED ELECTRON

A biosuit with built in thermal protection allows the two stage Electron to send an astronaut on the flying suit ride of their life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-K-XnHi9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnv664BmdPU

Sky dive from space!

The 1 meter diameter main body of the Electron is large enough to support a BD-5 cockpit - and aircraft.

https://www.the-blueprints.com/bluep...d_5b-32725.jpg

A BD-5J masses 161 kg and is 4 meters long and has a 0.61 meter wide cabin.

Lightweight structural aerogels are available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8OhJKR3AA4

From which to make DynaSoar X-20 subscale lightweight version

http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/x/x20titn1.jpg

http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.c...in-3-view1.gif

A 40% scale model of the DynaSoar X-20 would have the same cabin volume as the BD-5J.
The mass of the sub-scale version 262 kg when made of the same materials as the original X-20, which weighs 4,091 kg when full size.

When constructed of advanced materials, weights are cut to 125 kg, without pilot and consumables. The smaller version has a 2.4 meter wingspan.

An 'Electron-Heavy' - can't be called Proton that name is already taken! - lol places this lightweight sub scale X-20 derivative carrying one pilot, into orbit.

Another 625 kg stage, launched previously, is equipped with a solar ion booster rocket, and a rocket belt. The DynaSoar docks with the booster stage and both vehicles are accelerated to lunar insertion trajectory. The booster brings the vehicle to a low lunar orbit four days later. The astronaut, moves from the DynaSoar to the rocket belt, and lands on the moon, leaving the equipment on orbit. The astronaut then returns stowing all away, and boosting back to Earth. The booster and spacecraft separate, and re-enter landing back at the launch center to be refurbished and reused.

  #13  
Old May 29th 17, 05:30 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From aPrivate Pad

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:06:32 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Poor Mookie. The CEO of the company doesn't know what he's talking
about and Mookie knows better.


You are making **** up and falsely attributing it to me.


Phew, what a loony.


Yes you are. Definitely.

How is a ONE TEST FLIGHT OF A PLANNED SERIES OF THREE TEST FLIGHTS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ANNOUNCED that tried to make it to orbit, but didn't make it to orbit, translate in your demented mind that somehow I'm disagreeing with the CEO of the company? lol.

ITS NOT you freaking lunatic! lol.

Look, its obviously you're a predatory ******* who has no regard at all for reality.

Get a freaking life! lol.


William Mook wrote:

McCall takes everything out of context, which is usual for him.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/...it-to-space-2/

This FIRST LAUNCH of the Electron was a TEST LAUNCH. Orbit would have been nice to achieve and was a goal, but wasn't achieved in this case. Had it been achieved, without major mishap, dropping one test launch, would have been nice for the budget. However, a lot of BS is spun out as fact around sci.space - largely due to people like McCall taking things out of context.

Fact: RocketLab already has commercial clients.

Fact: RocketLab is planning two more TEST launches in the THREE LAUNCH TEST SEQUENCE prior to committing to its FIRST COMMERCIAL LAUNCH, WHICH IS ALREADY BOOKED.

Fact: RocketLab is committed to a programme of continuous improvement that allows it to adjust its digital tooling and rapid production chain to take advantage of lessons learned.

lol.

As the man once said, You ain't seen nothin' yet!

* * *

Mini-satellites of immense capacity!

* * *

Some very exciting commercial payloads are forthcoming putting New Zealand in a very strong position to participate in the small satellite marketplace and delivering very interesting capabilities.

One is a lunar landing and return robot previously described, that provides;

(1) lunar video
(2) lunar photogrammetry
(3) lunar payload delivery (and return)
(4) lunar sample return (jewelry)

* * *

Another is a deep space Li-Fi network

* * *

https://energy.gov/eere/solar/downlo...-concentrators

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep14758

Another is a 3 MW laser based solar power satellite

* * *

Another is a 1.25 MW laser based solar power satellite - AT MARS

Giving routine delivery and return of 150 kg payloads to and from Mars orbit and Deimos and Phobos - and providing communications and live access to users anywhere.

* * *

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...78/18/6/063002

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1251612/

A Li-Fi based telecommunications system, that provides broadband from deep space, in GEO, Earth Moon Lagrange Points, and Sol Earth Lagrange Points - Sol Mars Lagrange Points - Deimos and Phobos - combined with advanced AI for mission planning and control - provide a sound basis for deep space missions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_...ation_in_space

Li-Fi routers on orbit that provide uplink downlink using 802.11a virtual cells doppler corrected and stationary relative to the Earth's surface, despite being 'painted' by moving satellites, provide free global mesh net discoverable by any device with wi-fi or bluetooth capability.

* * *

MEMS Based Ion Engine

http://www.accion-systems.com/accion-tech/

For high efficiency, deep space booster, using a solar pumped electro-spray ion engine, and a laser pumped electro-spray ion engine that's powered from a solar pumped laser satellite re, form the basis of a deep space stage of immense capacity.

* * *

http://lasermotive.com/

A solar pumped laser power satellite that beams energy to receivers on Earth using a conjugate optics to maintain safe reliable precise tracking.


  #14  
Old May 29th 17, 09:25 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From a Private Pad

William Mook wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:06:32 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Poor Mookie. The CEO of the company doesn't know what he's talking
about and Mookie knows better.


You are making **** up and falsely attributing it to me.


You're a liar and lost in your own spew, which is why I generally
ignore you.

snip MookSpew


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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
  #15  
Old May 31st 17, 11:52 PM posted to sci.space.policy
William Mook[_2_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From aPrivate Pad

HAHAHAHA - A perfect description of your modus operandi! lol.



On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:25:50 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:06:32 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Poor Mookie. The CEO of the company doesn't know what he's talking
about and Mookie knows better.


You are making **** up and falsely attributing it to me.


You're a liar and lost in your own spew, which is why I generally
ignore you.

snip MookSpew


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine


  #16  
Old June 1st 17, 11:14 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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Default Rocket Lab's 'Electron' Marks First Orbital-Class Launch From a Private Pad

William Mook wrote:


HAHAHAHA - A perfect description of your modus operandi! lol.


Time for you to check back in for treatment, Mookie.

Bottom line, *YOU* claimed the rocket worked just like it was supposed
to. The CEO of the company that launched the rocket disagrees with
your assessment and said they were doing a failure analysis to
determine why it did not reach orbit.

Now here you are wanking about how you've been unfairly treated. Seek
help.



On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 8:25:50 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Mook wrote:

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:06:32 PM UTC+12, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Poor Mookie. The CEO of the company doesn't know what he's talking
about and Mookie knows better.

You are making **** up and falsely attributing it to me.


You're a liar and lost in your own spew, which is why I generally
ignore you.

snip MookSpew


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine
 




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