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Old September 6th 11, 07:51 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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The presentation of a traveling axis which stretches through the
center of the Earth from Arctic to Antarctic circles can be set up
like the normal arrangement of longitudes associated with daily
rotation however there are no variations in latitudinal speeds to
consider as this cycle to the central Sun is an extension and
attribute of the orbital motion.

I do not see why a person with graphical talents cannot create the
necessary product before overlaying daily rotational meridians on
orbital meridians and it is almost certain that many things which are
locked out by the dismal addiction to right ascension.

The Equatorial ring of Uranus acts like a natural orbital meridian
with the traveling axis running in a line roughly from Equator to
Equator so that the ring turns through 360 degrees in over 8
decades,the fact that readers can actually see it turning to the
central Sun should provide enough support for the first creative
individual skilled in graphics to present the Earth's equivalent
orbital axis with a meridian or meridians attached -

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infr..._2001_2005.jpg

While the daily rotational coordinates on Uranus are about 90 degrees
off the traveling orbital axis,the Earth's is 23 1/2 degrees so that
really the polar coordinates represent a planet's orbital
characteristics in its purest state,hence in the absence of daily
rotation,all locations on Earth would experience a single daylight/
darkness cycle.

Why the opposition to an additional orbital feature which is crucial
to explain the seasons and variations in natural noon when allied with
daily rotation ?.
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Old September 8th 11, 09:01 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sep 6, 8:51*pm, oriel36 wrote:
The presentation of a traveling axis which stretches through the
center of the Earth from Arctic to Antarctic circles can be set up
like the normal arrangement of longitudes associated with daily
rotation however there are no variations in latitudinal speeds to
consider as this cycle to the central Sun is an extension and
attribute of the orbital motion.

I do not see why a person with graphical talents cannot create the
necessary product before overlaying daily rotational meridians on
orbital meridians and it is almost certain that many things which are
locked out by the dismal addiction to right ascension.

The Equatorial ring of Uranus acts like a natural orbital meridian
with the traveling axis running in a line roughly from Equator to
Equator so that the ring turns through 360 degrees in over 8
decades,the fact that readers can actually see it turning to the
central Sun should provide enough support for the first creative
individual skilled in graphics to present the Earth's equivalent
orbital axis with a meridian or meridians attached -

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infr..._2001_2005.jpg

While the daily rotational coordinates on Uranus are about 90 degrees
off the traveling orbital axis,the Earth's is 23 1/2 degrees so that
really the polar coordinates represent a planet's orbital
characteristics in its purest state,hence in the absence of daily
rotation,all locations on Earth would experience a single daylight/
darkness cycle.

Why the opposition to an additional orbital feature which is crucial
to explain the seasons and variations in natural noon when allied with
daily rotation ?.


The natural orbital meridian formed by the Equatorial ring of Uranus
is incredibly productive for multiple reasons and especially in the
time lapse footage of Hubble -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...99/11/video/b/

The South/North component of daily rotation and the wobble of the
equatorial rings and the East/West orbital component demonstrate that
a planet has a single daylight/darkness cycle originating solely from
the orbital behavior of the planet as a reflection of all planets.

Is humanity served by being forced to believe that humans have control
over global temperatures when some of the most basic facts have to be
addressed such as the historical recovery of the proportion of
rotations per circuit and the technical details which modify the
explanation for the seasons using an additional orbital component,the
former deals with daily temperature fluctuations while the latter
deals with latitudinal fluctuations as a signature of the orbital
motion of the Earth ?.

Without Uranus it would be exceptionally difficult to carry the points
yet the time lapse imaging clearly shows how the null rotational
points (North/South rotational poles) swing around in a cycle just as
on Earth the planet turns the North/South poles through the circle of
illumination in less than two weeks about a traveling axis stretching
through the center of the Earth from Arctic to Antarctic circles just
as the traveling axis of Uranus is located close to the planet's
equator.

Time to come out of the cold guys.





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Old September 9th 11, 01:29 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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"oriel36" wrote in message
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The natural orbital meridian formed by the Equatorial ring of Uranus
is incredibly productive for multiple reasons and especially in the
time lapse footage of Hubble -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...99/11/video/b/

The South/North component of daily rotation and the wobble of the
equatorial rings and the East/West orbital component demonstrate that
a planet has a single daylight/darkness cycle originating solely from
the orbital behavior of the planet as a reflection of all planets.

Is humanity
==========================================
Humanity is not related to astronomy, you have the wrong newsgroup.
Shut the **** up.







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Old September 9th 11, 06:53 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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One of the most appealing consequences of introducing an additional
orbital component that is easily understood from the perspective of
the polar daylight/darkness cycle is having a look at our neighboring
planet Venus -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VenusAnimation.ogg

The Earth has a 26 mile spherical deviation between its equatorial and
polar diameters while Venus has none and simultaneously, the Earth has
the motion and evolution of the fractured surface crust while Venus
has only volcanism but no tectonic activity even allowing for
different surface compositions and so on.The idea here is that
spherical deviation and tectonic activity is bound by a common
rotational mechanism where there is an uneven rotational gradient in
the viscous composition beneath the planetary crust or differential
rotation as astronomers would know it.

The separate issue is then isolating what belongs to the daily
rotational characteristics of Venus and what belongs to its orbital
component and that is very intricate but again,Uranus is a template to
bounce comparisons off for the East/West orbital cycle of Uranus is
the same as its orbital period of 84 years -

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infr..._2001_2005.jpg

Sooner or later genuine scientists are going to run into the cause of
the spherical deviation of our planet and that means accurate figures
for rotation through 360 degrees,as differential rotation and fluid
dynamics require an uneven rotational gradient between equator and
poles as opposed to the surface crust which has an even rotational
gradient flexibility in these matters is paramount.Instead of trying
to justify right ascension and the terminology of the imaginary
difference between the solar day and the sidereal day,a more decisive
investigator would be looking at the differences between the rotation
of the viscous composition and the rotation of the fractured crust,at
least for geological purposes giving astronomy a more dynamic and
active edge.

This not a digression from the central topic but rather an expansion
of it as an example where you can go with these things,what paid
geologists and astronomers do with their days is their own business
but this is what I do with mine.














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Old September 9th 11, 01:45 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sep 9, 7:53*am, oriel36 wrote:

what astronomers do with their days is their own business
but this is what I do with mine.


Those who cower their whole lives on their knees will never see the
sky. Fear of the unknown is reserved for those who spend their entire
lives with their backsides raised to their false god's dismissive,
downward glance. How can he tell you apart?

Those who walk tall and straight can clearly see mankind's true
destiny and the defeated lessons of the past. Without the least
hindrance from even a billion-strong army of raised backsides, of
those still bent double in self-loathing and fear of the sky falling.

Sheep will often avoid invisible hurdles. Is this why you call your
false prophet a "shepherd?" Would your imaginary god not prefer that
you see his great works from the raised viewpoint of an upright man?
Rather than that of a domesticated, four-legged animal. With blinkered
eyes rolled constantly upwards into the terrifying, man-made darkness.
In tormented expectation of his merciless wrath. Why are you so afraid
of the dark?
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Old September 10th 11, 12:08 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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I must assume that many readers have found themselves no longer able
to support a state of mind which is counter-productive to their own
existence and the surrounding community without actually finding their
true bearings and although I have gone to great lengths to maintain a
level of discussion which avoids the temptation to reach for
weaknesses in the thinking processes of an individual or a
community,even I have to concede that such an avoidance is temporarily
unreasonable in itself.The reader may not sense dismay at such a
concession insofar as turning from the technical issues which are
dealt with geometrically and dynamically to a mindset built on
intellectual forensics creates an atmosphere of more of the same
whereas the technical arguments are meant to spur further developments
as opposed to being a platform to attack individuals or a community.

After reading the experiences of others,I came to a decision a long
time ago to approach readers here as though they are not unfeeling and
although their mental machinery may be stuck or latent,there is always
the chance of 'snapping out'* as they shift from a lower to a higher
level of thinking and feeling and into the arena where 'methods' are
not so important,as individuals trust themselves and each other to
maintain balances and rules.I do not disdains rules,in fact the
original rules for astronomical methods and insights are many
magnitudes stricter than the casual observer would imagine ,not just
for the purpose of restraining individuals from taking shortcuts and
loopholes when proposing schemes,solutions and conclusions but
allowing the genuine investigator to pursue his talent in a spirit of
adventure.Drawing partly from my heritage of the Brehon laws that
those in authority must be responsible for the decisions they make,for
good and for bad,and this is absent from all contemporary judgments
such as climate science,planetary definitions and the multiple issues
brought up here over the years,it is not the law of precedence that
counts but that of conceptual evolution the ability to change what
needs to be changed in order to discover new territory rather than
build defenses to protect the old or 'falsification' as empiricist
call it.

* "One puzzle of snapping that the deprogramming process illuminates
is the enormous amount of mental activity that takes place in the
unthinking, unfeeling state many cult members are drawn into.
Ironically, most people we spoke with fought desperately to preserve
their blissed-out states, although they often were saturated with
fear, guilt, hatred and exhaustion. In the beginning this seemed to
present a disturbing contradiction: How could an individual whose mind
has apparently been shut off, who has been robbed of his freedom of
thought, display such cunning and initiative? What the deprogramming
process demonstrated is that cult members do not simply snap from a
normal conscious state into one of complete unconsciousness (and vice
versa during deprogramming). Rather, most pass from one frame of
waking awareness into a second, entirely separate, frame of awareness
in which they may be equally active and perceptive." Cult
deprogramming commentary








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Old September 10th 11, 02:57 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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"oriel36" wrote in message
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|I must assume

That's why you'll never understand anything, ****head. Never assume
anything.


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Old September 10th 11, 09:00 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sep 10, 5:08*am, oriel36 wrote:
I must assume that many readers have found themselves no longer able
to support a state of mind which is counter-productive to their own
existence and the surrounding community without actually finding their
true bearings and although I have gone to great lengths to maintain a
level of discussion which avoids the temptation to reach for
weaknesses in the thinking processes of an individual or a
community,even I have to concede that such an avoidance is temporarily
unreasonable in itself.


I thank you for being politie to us.

After reading the experiences of others,I came to a decision a long
time ago to approach readers here as though they are not unfeeling and
although their mental machinery may be stuck or latent,there is always
the chance of 'snapping out'* as they shift from a lower to a higher
level of *thinking and feeling and *into the arena where 'methods' are
not so important,as individuals trust themselves and each other to
maintain balances and rules.


Empirical reasoning and the scientific method let people check one
another's conclusions, instead of people just having to sit back and
admire the conclusions of the person who convinces everyone else that
he has the best intuition and insight. There's a _reason_ why
mathematics versus intuition has caught on in science like wildfire.

We're not programmed cult members, because the merits of today's
science are something that a person can *see for himself* if he can
achieve a basic level of mathematical competence. Yes, perhaps the few
who cannot do that are stuck with having to respect authority, but
even there, at least they have the technological fruits of science to
give them some confidence in which authorities know what they're
talking about.

John Savard
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Old September 10th 11, 09:03 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sep 9, 6:45*am, "Chris.B" wrote:

Sheep will often avoid invisible hurdles. Is this why you call your
false prophet a "shepherd?" Would your imaginary god not prefer that
you see his great works from the raised viewpoint of an upright man?


The parable of the Good Shepherd and similar things appear in the
Bible because they have a dry climate in the Middle East, making it a
good place to raise sheep. Along with cattle. At least the Jewish
religion must also be a religion of peace, because it prevented range
wars from breaking out between the Jews who raised cattle and the Jews
who raised sheep.

John Savard
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Old September 10th 11, 10:30 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sep 10, 10:03*pm, Quadibloc wrote:

The parable of the Good Shepherd and similar things appear in the
Bible because they have a dry climate in the Middle East, making it a
good place to raise sheep. Along with cattle. At least the Jewish
religion must also be a religion of peace, because it prevented range
wars from breaking out between the Jews who raised cattle and the Jews
who raised sheep.

John Savard


Wales is as wet as it gets and they have far more sheep than people
and quite a lot of cattle. No range wars but there are a lot Range
Rovers.
 




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