F-14 being destroyed instead of...

From what I've heard (I'm a city boy), deer hunting rules say no
hunting deer from aircraft.... :-)

Aye, the windage may be a problem there ;-)

On Jul 15, 9:44 pm, Craig Fink wrote:
NeilGeracewrote:

I cannot offer an opinion about the Canadian situation, but most
people (both inside and outside Australia) don't know that the British
Realm and the Australian Realm are separate legal entities, and that
Sovereign of the UK and Sovereign of Australia are separate offices
which happen to be held by the same person.

I didn't know that. Separate, but with no possibility of being different?

Choosing some other person to be sovereign is not impossible, just
very difficult because it would require constitutional change and
probably legislation too.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:41:05 GMT, in a place far, far away,
(Henry Spencer) made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

(Odd though it seems from today's perspective, there were a good many
racist abolitionists: they were opposed to slavery on moral grounds, or
thought it degrading to the whites involved, or believed it unsustainable
and dangerous... but did *not* see blacks as the equals of whites, or
believe that a color-blind society was either practical or desirable.
Witness various pre-war proposals for "solving the Negro problem" by
deporting American blacks -- slave and free alike!! -- to Africa.)

Actually, my understanding is that that's not far off from Lincoln's
view, at least pre-war.

Henry Spencer wrote:
Witness various pre-war proposals for "solving the Negro problem" by
deporting American blacks -- slave and free alike!! -- to Africa.)


To a place called Liberia: http://www.slate.com/id/2085169/
And what happens next is interesting: http://ask.yahoo.com/20030714.html
"Ironically, the former American slaves became a ruling class in Liberia
and denied rights and equal participation in government to the
indigenous peoples of the country. The descendants of these Americans
became known as Americo-Liberians and currently make up only 5% of the
population. The country's indigenous people come from 16 different
ethnic groups, which have struggled with the government and among
themselves throughout Liberia's existence."

Pat

In article .com,
wrote:

But if that did happen, we'd lose the distinction of the USA
being one of a very few countries with a discontinuity of its
territory on the same landmass (Alaska and CONUS
, aka the lower 48).

There's also the discontinuity of the North-West Angle and the rest of
CONUS. Purchasing Manitoba would fix that.

See also
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_and_exclaves
for a more exhaustive list.

--
David M. Palmer (formerly @clark.net, @ematic.com)

Henry Spencer wrote:
In article ,
Jim Davis wrote:
...for pretty well all the obvious causes, if you look into what
caused *them*, slavery was at the bottom of it.
Certainly the secessionists thought so...


snip

Odd though it seems from today's perspective, there were a good many
racist abolitionists: they were opposed to slavery on moral grounds, or
thought it degrading to the whites involved, or believed it unsustainable
and dangerous... but did *not* see blacks as the equals of whites, or
believe that a color-blind society was either practical or desirable.
Witness various pre-war proposals for "solving the Negro problem" by
deporting American blacks -- slave and free alike!! -- to Africa.)


Hence the birth of Liberia and its close association with the US.

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 04:41:05 GMT, (Henry Spencer)
wrote:

Witness various pre-war proposals for "solving the Negro problem" by
deporting American blacks -- slave and free alike!! -- to Africa.)

....Which is essentially how Liberia came about under Monroe. The idea
was to give Americanized negros a new homeland they could return to
where they could continue their own now-somewhat unique culture in
freedom. What became rather interesting is that far more freed blacks
in the US at that time were *seriously* reluctant to return to Africa
for pretty much the same reason any immigrant would have: even though
they're treated like second-class citizens, working on a
plantation/Kwik-E-Mart is still far more preferable to being eaten by
lions, tigers or the tribe next door.

....Note also that during the first three years following the WoNA,
there were some two dozen proposals made in Congress to resettle
emancipated slaves to Liberia. None of these made it past committee
stage, IIRC.

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OM wrote:
...Which is essentially how Liberia came about under Monroe. The idea
was to give Americanized negros a new homeland they could return to
where they could continue their own now-somewhat unique culture in
freedom. What became rather interesting is that far more freed blacks
in the US at that time were *seriously* reluctant to return to Africa
for pretty much the same reason any immigrant would have: even though
they're treated like second-class citizens, working on a
plantation/Kwik-E-Mart is still far more preferable to being eaten by
lions, tigers or the tribe next door.


Not to mention yellow fever, tsetse flies, malaria, guinea worms, and
all the other fun things that live in Africa.
I found it interesting that the former American slaves started running
the place while viewing the native tribes of the area as their
inferiors. Obviously, the concept that contact with the white man would
bring civilization to the black man was correct. ;-)

Pat

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 20:16:51 GMT, robert casey
wrote:

From what I've heard (I'm a city boy), deer hunting rules say no
hunting deer from aircraft.... :-)

....Which sort of rules out using black box data to finally answer the
ages-old question of who killed Bambi.

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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:20:44 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

I found it interesting that the former American slaves started running
the place while viewing the native tribes of the area as their
inferiors. Obviously, the concept that contact with the white man would
bring civilization to the black man was correct. ;-)

....Ranks right up there with the Julian Bond/Garett Morris sketch from
the Glory Days of SNL, where Bond tells Morris about how light skinned
negros are more intelligent than dark skinned ones :-P

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