The nuclear power sky is falling...

On Feb 16, 7:48*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
|" wrote:

Fred is discredited in my eyes.

Gee, I'm just CRUSHED.

snerk

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"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

Naw, your ego knows no bounds.
You're still discredited in my eyes.
I am just one little man. Maybe you were
a big man in your day but look were you are at now?
Who are talking to now? Peers? Inferiors? Superiors?
Those who will bother to talk back.
You're a thug as I see it. Maybe a-want-a-be thug but
your aim is clear as to what you want to be.
Intent says a lot about a person.

An old man at the edge of the world.....................Trig

On Feb 18, 6:19*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
|" wrote:
On Feb 16, 7:48*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
|" wrote:

Fred is discredited in my eyes.

Gee, I'm just CRUSHED.

snerk

Naw, your ego knows no bounds.
You're still discredited in my eyes.
I am just one little man. Maybe you were
a big man in your day but look were you are at now?
Who are talking to now? Peers? Inferiors? Superiors?
Those who will bother to talk back.

I hate to break it to you, but I'm just poking the loons.



You're a thug as I see it. Maybe a-want-a-be thug but
your aim is clear as to what you want to be.
Intent says a lot about a person.

Awww, poor Trig. *Are you feeling 'thugged'? *On USENET???

If you don't like being treated like one of the loons, STOP BEING ONE.



An old man at the edge of the world.....................Trig

What are you, about 12?

--
"Sir, you pride yourself on an ability in which any ignorant barbarian
*is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- John Randolph

Better age 12 than whatever your age is............................Trig

On Feb 18, 10:00*pm, |"
wrote:
On Feb 18, 6:19*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:

What are you, about 12?

--
"Sir, you pride yourself on an ability in which any ignorant barbarian
*is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- John Randolph

Better age 12 than whatever your age is............................Trig

Fred is FUD-master Semite that pretends being an Atheists. There's
really not much point in reading or replying to whatever Fred has to
say.

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JAPAN NOW HAS JUST 2 OPERATING REACTORS, IN THE ENTIRE NATION

The remaing 2 are scheduled to be shut down by april.....

with japans efforts in methane slush and geo thermal the country might
permanetely end nuke power plants.......

germany is doing the same thing......

On Feb 19, 3:53*pm, bob haller wrote:
JAPAN NOW HAS JUST 2 OPERATING REACTORS, IN THE ENTIRE NATION

The remaing 2 are scheduled to be shut down by april.....

with japans efforts in methane slush and geo thermal the country might
permanetely end nuke power plants.......

germany is doing the same thing......

Geothermal is certainly a good way to go, however thorium is similar,
and Mokenergy hydrogen is perhaps even better because of what those 50+
% efficient fuel cells can deliver, plus their waste heat recovery
isn't exactly worthless.

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:: Geothermal is certainly a good way to go, however thorium is similar,

: Thorium is NOTHING like geothermal.

Indeed. Geothermal is several orders of magnitude less energy-dense
per collector area on world-wide average than solar, and considerably
less energy-dense than hydroelectric. It's not even in the same ballpark
as fission of any kind. Not even on the same continent as the ballpark.

Geothermal is fine if you happen to be living on top of a hot-spot,
but to a close approximation, nobody is. Just divide the geothermal
flux from all sources by the population, and you find out that you can
support several iceland's-worth of people's energy needs. What should
the other 99+% of the world population do?

And no, even something as extensive as drilling to emplace heat exchangers
in the upper mantle doesn't help much, for reasons that are apparent to
anybody who's seen (or read about) lava flows.

None of which means somebody who *does* happen to live on a hot spot
should turn up their nose at the free steam. Because hey, free steam.
But it certainly isn't going to tip the global energy balance.


"When life gives you lemons, keep them.
Because hey, free lemons."
--- tee-shirt slogan

On Feb 19, 6:47*pm, (Wayne Throop) wrote:
:: Geothermal is certainly a good way to go, however thorium is similar,

: Thorium is NOTHING like geothermal.
Thorium gets hot and with a few extra protons/neutrons it stays hot.
If that's not similar to geothermal, then nothing is.
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Indeed. *Geothermal is several orders of magnitude less energy-dense
per collector area on world-wide average than solar, and considerably
less energy-dense than hydroelectric. *It's not even in the same ballpark
as fission of any kind. *Not even on the same continent as the ballpark..

Geothermal is fine if you happen to be living on top of a hot-spot,
but to a close approximation, nobody is. *Just divide the geothermal
flux from all sources by the population, and you find out that you can
support several iceland's-worth of people's energy needs. *What should
the other 99+% of the world population do?
Drill/TBM much deeper.


And no, even something as extensive as drilling to emplace heat exchangers
in the upper mantle doesn't help much, for reasons that are apparent to
anybody who's seen (or read about) lava flows.

None of which means somebody who *does* happen to live on a hot spot
should turn up their nose at the free steam. *Because hey, free steam.
But it certainly isn't going to tip the global energy balance.

* * "When life gives you lemons, keep them.
* * *Because hey, free lemons."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --- tee-shirt slogan

All sorts of fluids can transfer that geothermal heat, phase changing
at the turbine and returned to the hole.

However, I tend to favor burning thorium.

William Mook favors burning his cheap hydrogen, and I also agree with
that, using fuel cells at 50+% efficiency.

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:::: Geothermal is certainly a good way to go, however thorium is similar,

: Brad Guth
: Thorium gets hot and with a few extra protons/neutrons it stays hot.
: If that's not similar to geothermal, then nothing is.

Then nothing is. If your implication were correct.
Which it isn't. If you really can't tell the difference between
a something that simply *is* not and something that *gets* hot,
well then, aren't you special.

Indeed, if all it takes to be "similar to (thorium) fission" is to have
something that's not, then there's very, very little that *isn't* "like
(thorium) fission", including everything from wind to coal.

: Drill/TBM much deeper.

Which, of course, doesn't work. Trying to drag more heat out than comes
of itself simply doesn't work, no matter how deep you drill. For reasons
that anybody who knows much about molten rock can tell you. Hint: if you
take heat out of molten rock, it becomes solid rock, and a reasonably
good insulator once there's no convection.

To sum up. Geothermal is neither a good way to go in terms of making
a significant contribution to the global energy budget, nor is it
like (thorium) fission in any relevant, nontrivial way.

On Feb 19, 8:55*pm, (Wayne Throop) wrote:
:::: Geothermal is certainly a good way to go, however thorium is similar,

: Brad Guth
: Thorium gets hot and with a few extra protons/neutrons it stays hot.
: If that's not similar to geothermal, then nothing is.

Then nothing is. *If your implication were correct.
Which it isn't. *If you really can't tell the difference between
a something that simply *is* not and something that *gets* hot,
well then, aren't you special.

Indeed, if all it takes to be "similar to (thorium) fission" is to have
something that's not, then there's very, very little that *isn't* "like
(thorium) fission", including everything from wind to coal.

: Drill/TBM much deeper.

Which, of course, doesn't work. *Trying to drag more heat out than comes
of itself simply doesn't work, no matter how deep you drill. *For reasons
that anybody who knows much about molten rock can tell you. *Hint: if you
take heat out of molten rock, it becomes solid rock, and a reasonably
good insulator once there's no convection.

To sum up. *Geothermal is neither a good way to go in terms of making
a significant contribution to the global energy budget, nor is it
like (thorium) fission in any relevant, nontrivial way.

Obviously you and your blood-sucking ZNR oligarch/Rothschild friends
do not want anything to ever change away from consuming your spendy
hydrocarbons and conventional uranium/MOX fueled reactors that are
problematic and lethal as hell (not to mention their all-inclusive
environmental trauma), at least your kind is not allowing any changes
for the better. In my book, that's outright treasonous. Of course,
you and others of your kind never catch onto the "all-inclusive" of
anything that can't be passed along to the next generations as debt
and environmental damage.

There's nothing wrong with using the partly fission and its partly
tidal generated geothermal energy of Earth (it's only good for another
billion years without hardly making a dent in its semi-renewable
geothermal potential), and thorium isn't hardly any different than
geothermal, except that a thorium fueled reactor can be easily and
failsafe controlled for extracting clean energy on demand, plus any
city, town or community have have their very own thorium reactor(s).

Even the geothermal cache within our moon is going to come in real
handy for when those terrific innards of that moon get processed and
folks start living within that highly protected interior space. Of
course, it's not going to be for the likes of yourself or any other
naysayers that only want to provoke others into wars and to otherwise
trashing Earth for all it's worth.

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: Brad Guth
: Obviously you and your blood-sucking ZNR oligarch/Rothschild friends
: do not want anything to ever change away from consuming your spendy
: hydrocarbons and conventional uranium/MOX fueled reactors

You couldn't get that from anything I've said, so you must be halucinating
again. By all means, spend all the money you want on geothermal.
Just so long as it's your money and those you can persuade fair and
square, rather than mine. Just don't expect to sell me the idea that
geothermal can significantly contribute to the global energy budget,
because after all, I can do arithmetic.

: Even the geothermal cache within our moon

Oh, now you're just being silly.