Russian Mars Mission Dry Run -- No Women Allowed

Recent news item about Russian plans to put a 'crew' inside a spaceship
simulator

for 500 days of isolation, to simulate a mission to Mars and back -- but no
women
will be allowed.

The reason? See the story I wrote for UPI back four years ago, when a
similar ground simulation wound up wracked by international and
trans-gender tensions when the Russians couldn't keep their hands
(and lips) off the foreign women, and couldn't understand why they
should have objected. I'm not making this up -- the main lady in
question was Dr. Judith Lapierre of Montreal, and I interviewed
her extensively by phone, in Moscow and in Canada. I even have
the videotape of a Canadian science news program about the
'simulated space crisis.'

Russian doctors have run such long-term ground tests since the
1960's, to try out life-support hardware, psychological controls,
and other features of future missions. In theory it's a reasonable
experiment -- unless like Lapierre you wind up the target of
Russian male attitudes.


Russia Plans 500-day Mars Mission Dry Run - With No Women

http://space.com/scienceastronomy/ru...ys_041011.html



See my mid-2000 writeup, originally a UPI story

I wrote, then rewrote for Galaxy-Online, and

eventually folded into a book chapter in

'Star-Crossed Orbits', he

http://www.jamesoberg.com/04142000assualt_rus.html

"Jim Oberg" writes:

The reason? See the story I wrote for UPI back four years ago, when a
similar ground simulation wound up wracked by international and
trans-gender tensions when the Russians couldn't keep their hands
(and lips) off the foreign women, and couldn't understand why they
should have objected. I'm not making this up -- the main lady in
question was Dr. Judith Lapierre of Montreal, and I interviewed
her extensively by phone, in Moscow and in Canada. I even have
the videotape of a Canadian science news program about the
'simulated space crisis.'

Honestly, I think the solution would be to choose the right women for
that -- not to exclude women from it.

Reminds me of a idea for a commercial space station I once had: Take a
few guys and girls, put them in a space station with 24/7 video
transmission to earth and let the viewers pay for that. If you have the
right guys and girls for that you may end up with a good profit. After
all, porn is one of the very few things people like to pay for even when
the video quality is poor and zero-g porn surely has some novelty bonus.

And regarding mars crews: "Orgies are the way to ease social tensions,
claims US judge"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...317386,00.html


Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take
away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:44:56 +0200, in a place far, far away, Jochem
Huhmann made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

And regarding mars crews: "Orgies are the way to ease social tensions,
claims US judge"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...317386,00.html

That quote was taken grossly out of context. Scalia was being
sarcastic.

h (Rand Simberg) writes:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:44:56 +0200, in a place far, far away, Jochem
Huhmann made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

And regarding mars crews: "Orgies are the way to ease social tensions,
claims US judge"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...317386,00.html

That quote was taken grossly out of context. Scalia was being
sarcastic.

Really? I'd never thought that.


Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take
away." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:26:48 +0200, in a place far, far away, Jochem
Huhmann made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

And regarding mars crews: "Orgies are the way to ease social tensions,
claims US judge"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...317386,00.html

That quote was taken grossly out of context. Scalia was being
sarcastic.

Really? I'd never thought that.

You're joking, right?

Jochem Huhmann wrote in message ...
Honestly, I think the solution would be to choose the right women
for that -- not to exclude women from it.

Ahem... If it's that easy, then right now submarine crew already
included women. And the reason on why submarine crew didn't include
women are all the same reasons on why many proposal for a manned crew
mission to Mars didn't include women. The tension is already quite
tense, to add women into the mixture would be just like adding more
fuel to the fire.


As for the right women.

Well... Judging based on the experiences collected from many different
men, then the right answer is that you don't pick the right women, you
made the right women. "My Fair Lady" is a classic example of you don't
pick the right woman, but instead you made one.

And considering the fact young girls later on become women, it would
be much better to use young girls instead. I think that it would be
much better to mold young girls into a member or potential member of
the manned Mars mission while they're young (perharps 10 years old or
even younger), and then to use them on the actual mission when they're
in their teenage years (around 14~16 years old).

In contrast, I think the men shouldn't be the same age at the girls at
all (IF the girls were in their teens). I don't think that they should
be even in their 20's. Perharps in their mid 30's and above, though in
their 40's perharps it's the right age. It would be much better if the
members or potential members of the mission become acquainted with
each other first for several years, to made them like family members
instead of fellow workers.

It should be noted that the people aboard STS-107 are all their 40's,
and some of them probably already know each other before the mission.
Six of seven of them are male and are in the military.


Perharps, it would be much better if the girls in the mission are the
daughters of the men in the mission. That way, the men have much
better control over the girls. After all, if you handle a manned
mission to Mars, you better be can handle your own daughters. And also
the bond between the men and the girls would be tight, considering
they are fathers and daughters.


So the crew members for the mission that include females would be:

Old experience men (in their 40's and above) that are experienced with
women and girls, perharps with a strong relationship and long
experiences with the female crew members.

Young easy moldable girls (in their teens or so, but not over 17 years
old) that have respect and obidiences toward the male crew members.


Other than to have a special training for young girls, I think that
the easiest and fastest way would be to send fathers and daughters,
both of them fit with the required requirements I suggested.


Note: The idea of training girls to do things while they're young
isn't that far fetch, it should be remember that acrobatic, ballet,
figure skating, and so on have their participants trained while
they're at a young age. So... For example, to find a suitable female
astronauts to be launched in the year for example 2009, you need first
to train and prepared a bunch of elementary school girls for the
mission. An 11 years old girl for example would be around 16 years old
at the time of the launch, and if it's a two years mission, she would
be around 18 years old when she returned from the mission. Of course,
all of the girls would be used only once, since by the time the
mission is over, they will be too old to be use as a crew member
again.


Reminds me of a idea for a commercial space station I once had: Take a
few guys and girls, put them in a space station with 24/7 video
transmission to earth and let the viewers pay for that. If you have the
right guys and girls for that you may end up with a good profit.

Excuse me, are we here talking about a manned Mars mission to Mars or
a quirky and expensive way to made a porn movie? Then again, maybe
both.

No matter, the way I mentioned above can also be applied to the making
of porn movie (either on Earth or on the way to Mars). Heck, the way I
mention is probably can be use for any application that involved
women.

Note: While it's correct that you need the right girls to do a porn
movie, the same might not true for the guys. As matter in fact, if you
are making a porn movie for guys (as in heterosexual guys, not
homosexual gays), you need to show the guys as little (in the term of
the amount of scenes involving the guys) as possible.

After all, porn is one of the very few things people like to pay for
even when the video quality is poor and zero-g porn surely has some
novelty bonus.

Well... Porn sure sell, but it should be noted that porn that involve
'unusual' situations usually only sell to a limited amount of people.

Jochem

"EAC" wrote in message
m...
Jochem Huhmann wrote in message
...
Honestly, I think the solution would be to choose the right women
for that -- not to exclude women from it.

Ahem... If it's that easy, then right now submarine crew already
included women. And the reason on why submarine crew didn't include
women are all the same reasons on why many proposal for a manned crew
mission to Mars didn't include women. The tension is already quite
tense, to add women into the mixture would be just like adding more
fuel to the fire.


As for the right women.


This may sound unethical but...how about putting hookers on board? It
probably won't get Congressional approval but it makes sense as it reduces
the tension on board.

"Henk Boonsma" wrote in message
news:1097609977.XgO20AYhI3jlY2O9jyFYlg@teranews...

This may sound unethical but...how about putting hookers on board?

Naw, if you put hookers on a space ship they have to change their profession
to something like medtech. I saw it on a TV show once.

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Regards,
Mike Combs
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Member of the National Non-sequitur Society. We may not make
much sense, but we do like pizza.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:40:55 -0500, in a place far, far away, rk
made the phosphor on my monitor
glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Rand Simberg wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:44:56 +0200, in a place far, far away, Jochem
Huhmann made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a
way as to indicate that:

Have you upgraded to a flat screen yet? Or gonna stick with the CRT forever?

Well, probably not forever, but for now.

"Henk Boonsma" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1097609977.XgO20AYhI3jlY2O9jyFYlg@teranews...

"EAC" wrote in message
m...
Jochem Huhmann wrote in message
...
Honestly, I think the solution would be to choose the right women
for that -- not to exclude women from it.

Ahem... If it's that easy, then right now submarine crew already
included women. And the reason on why submarine crew didn't include
women are all the same reasons on why many proposal for a manned crew
mission to Mars didn't include women. The tension is already quite
tense, to add women into the mixture would be just like adding more
fuel to the fire.


As for the right women.


This may sound unethical but...how about putting hookers on board?
Why's it unethical?

It
probably won't get Congressional approval but it makes sense as it reduces
the tension on board.
But it probably creates a bit of tension if any of the cosmonauts is married.

Lots of Greetings!
Volker