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The Hubble Space Telescope...
... belongs in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, not spread across the
earth as a debris field. http://www.msnbc.com/news/994737.asp?0cv=TB10 begin quote In the wake of the space shuttle Columbia disaster, NASA pulled the plug on any plans it had to retrieve the Hubble Space Telescope at the end of its life so it could be displayed in a museum. end quote, begin rant NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. NASA management, definitely the "Wrong Stuff". Not a care in the world about spreading Columbia all across East Texas, but worried about Hubble debris. Not a creative or innovative thought about how to repair Columbia on-orbit with the stuff they had on-board. No wonder they can't figure out how to make a repair kit for the heat shield so they can service or bring Hubble down safely. end rant Save the Hubble, from a disgraceful death, Craig Fink |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
Craig Fink writes:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/994737.asp?0cv=TB10 begin quote In the wake of the space shuttle Columbia disaster, NASA pulled the plug on any plans it had to retrieve the Hubble Space Telescope at the end of its life so it could be displayed in a museum. end quote, begin rant NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. I disagree with your assessment. Sure, if it's cheap and safe, by all means save important scientific stuff for a musuem. But if it will cost a lot of money, or be risky, better to honor its heritage by spending the money and/or risk on a new scientific instrument. Given the choice, I'd much rather see new data from a new instrument than see the Hubble hardware in a museum. Lou Scheffer |
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In article k.net,
Craig Fink wrote: end quote, begin rant NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. This part is, although strongly worded, possibly a decent argument. I point out the notable absence of museum-bound space scientific hardware, otherwise, though... NASA management, definitely the "Wrong Stuff". Not a care in the world about spreading Columbia all across East Texas, but worried about Hubble debris. *blink* Craig, you really are being even more of a duplicitous little idiot than you've managed with a hobbyhorse before. Are you actually suggesting, or just somewhat unsubtly implying, that NASA managers *chose* to break Columbia up over East Texas? That they had some way of stopping and routing her over Central America instead, when it looked like there was a prospect of bits falling off? I mean, *really*. No, don't give me some **** about "well, if they'd seen to the problem...", because that's not what you're saying; you're saying they knew Columbia was going to break up, and were unconcerned about this. The second cannot possibly follow if the first is a fiction, and you know damn well it is. Not a creative or innovative thought about how to repair Columbia on-orbit with the stuff they had on-board. No wonder they can't figure out how to make a repair kit for the heat shield so they can service or bring Hubble down safely. Uh... there's one in development. Not designed by NASA management, because it's generally considered traditional that when you pay engineers you get some of them to do the engineering. One of the major reasons that a Hubble return flight is considered "off the cards" is because they feel there are safety implications they don't want to push. So, because they respond to a tragedy you flame them for by adding safety restrictions to try and prevent it, you flame them for not flying PR missions. /rant I may be missing something here. The fact that you appear to have turned into a literate Bob Haller, for example, is reasonably confusing. Save the Hubble, from a disgraceful death, Save an attempt to run a space program, from people like you. -- -Andrew Gray |
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Craig Fink wrote:
NASA management, definitely the "Wrong Stuff". Not a care in the world about spreading Columbia all across East Texas, but worried about Hubble debris. Not a creative or innovative thought about how to repair Columbia on-orbit with the stuff they had on-board. No wonder they can't figure out how to make a repair kit for the heat shield so they can service or bring Hubble down safely. Is such ignorance the product of native talent, extensive practice, or a combination of the two? D. -- The STS-107 Columbia Loss FAQ can be found at the following URLs: Text-Only Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq.html Enhanced HTML Version: http://www.io.com/~o_m/columbia_loss_faq_x.html Corrections, comments, and additions should be e-mailed to , as well as posted to sci.space.history and sci.space.shuttle for discussion. |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
Craig Fink wrote:
.. belongs in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, not spread across the earth as a debris field. Please. Get over it. I saw it launched and am very cognizant of the tremendous achievments it has racked up. It has fulfilled its mission admirably, no matter what eventually happens to it. You talk as if not recovering it would diminish its accomplishments. One man's disgrace is another's way of going out in a blaze of glory. Was the fate of Mir or Skylab a "disgrace"? I don't think so. If the money that would be saved could in any way speed up the eventual deployment of the Webb ST then I say, "Hubble ST, thanks for everything. Sayonara." In fact, I'll say that even if the money saved isn't directly poured into the WST. The legacy of Hubble is secure regardless of whether it's corpse is on display or not for public gawking. -- bp Proud Member of the Human O-Ring Society Since 2003 |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
I'd have thought that it might actually be useful to get it back and examine
what and how it has aged in orbit. Not having much luck are they? They lost skylab, Mir was brought down, now although its possible, nobody wants to risk it for Hubble... Well, I expect they will pay for a dummy model to be made... :-) Brian -- Brian Gaff.... graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________ __________________________________ "Craig Fink" wrote in message hlink.net... | .. belongs in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, not spread across the | earth as a debris field. | | http://www.msnbc.com/news/994737.asp?0cv=TB10 | | begin quote | | In the wake of the space shuttle Columbia disaster, NASA pulled the plug on | any plans it had to retrieve the Hubble Space Telescope at the end of its | life so it could be displayed in a museum. | | end quote, begin rant | | NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, | instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has | contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be | criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's | achievements. | | NASA management, definitely the "Wrong Stuff". Not a care in the world | about spreading Columbia all across East Texas, but worried about Hubble | debris. Not a creative or innovative thought about how to repair Columbia | on-orbit with the stuff they had on-board. No wonder they can't figure out | how to make a repair kit for the heat shield so they can service or bring | Hubble down safely. | | end rant | | Save the Hubble, from a disgraceful death, | | Craig Fink --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free, so there! Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 21/11/03 |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
Craig Fink wrote in
hlink.net: NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. In many ways the Hubble is a failure they never even cut the mirror correctly. Do we really want a monument to that simple error. I still think we should try to build one the right way but since management has gone so far down hill its likely our next attempt would be far worse. Hubble could have done much more if it was ground correctly. The extra lenses added to it failed to make it as good as it should have been. David A. Scott -- My Crypto code http://cryptography.org/cgi-bin/cryp...c/scott19u.zip http://cryptography.org/cgi-bin/cryp...c/scott16u.zip http://www.jim.com/jamesd/Kong/scott19u.zip old version My Compression code http://bijective.dogma.net/ **TO EMAIL ME drop the roman "five" ** Disclaimer:I am in no way responsible for any of the statements made in the above text. For all I know I might be drugged. As a famous person once said "any cryptograhic system is only as strong as its weakest link" |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
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choice, I'd much rather see new data from a new instrument than see the Hubble hardware in a museum. If its good enough to service then its good enough to retrieve. Look what the columbia crew died for, none of the research was as nearly important as hubble. If you cant bring it back then at least spend the bucks to boost it to a high satable orbit for later retrieval. Nasa never was good about planning the future of in orbit historic hardware. example lack of tracking data on snoopy our long lost lunar module |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
David A. Scott wrote: Craig Fink wrote in hlink.net: NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. In many ways the Hubble is a failure they never even cut the mirror correctly. Do we really want a monument to that simple error. I still think we should try to build one the right way but since management has gone so far down hill its likely our next attempt would be far worse. Hubble could have done much more if it was ground correctly. The extra lenses added to it failed to make it as good as it should have been. David A. Scott Actually, if you'd like to look at the pre-launch specs and compare them to what COSTAR and the second generation instruments' corrective optics have provided, you'll find that HST is even better now than had the mirror been ground correctly the first time. |
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The Hubble Space Telescope...
Unfortunately many things changed after February 1. Even the official
position of the astronaut office at JSC is that astronaut lives will not be risked for an HST retrieval mission, i.e. the benefit of returning HST to Earth is not worth the risko of astronaut lives. The risk is acceptable for servicing missions where the benefit is scientific knowledge. The HST Program did a study to determine what would have to be done to bring HST back to in the payload bay and while the study assumed Columbia, i.e. no external airlock, a return mission could be performed with an orbiter that has the external airlock, although additional work would have to be done (servicing hardware mods for HST to fit farther back in the bay). The current thinking is that some sort of propulsion module will be attached to HST to provide a controlled re-entry at the end of HST's life. Craig Fink wrote: .. belongs in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, not spread across the earth as a debris field. http://www.msnbc.com/news/994737.asp?0cv=TB10 begin quote In the wake of the space shuttle Columbia disaster, NASA pulled the plug on any plans it had to retrieve the Hubble Space Telescope at the end of its life so it could be displayed in a museum. end quote, begin rant NASA (or better yet Congress) should pull the plug on some NASA managers, instead of the Hubble Space Telescope. The Hubble Space Telescope has contributed so much to our the knowledge of the Universe it would be criminal not to put it in a museum for display along with all it's achievements. NASA management, definitely the "Wrong Stuff". Not a care in the world about spreading Columbia all across East Texas, but worried about Hubble debris. Not a creative or innovative thought about how to repair Columbia on-orbit with the stuff they had on-board. No wonder they can't figure out how to make a repair kit for the heat shield so they can service or bring Hubble down safely. end rant Save the Hubble, from a disgraceful death, Craig Fink |
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