Talk.Origin banned Subject: Does Mathamitcs prove a Universal designer?

"jabriol" wrote in message...
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A professor of mathematics from the University of Cambridge, P. Dirac, said,
in the magazine Scientific American: "One could perhaps describe the
situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high order, and He
used very advanced mathematics in constructing the universe."

Mathematics ?

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

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happy days and...
starry starry nights!

Ode Man Dying

So I fear I'm not long for this planet my friends,
And I'll miss you the moment I leave,
After that I've no clue just what happens my friends,
And I ask only that you don't grieve.

For I've lived a long life full of loving my friends,
And in this much I know you'll believe...
There is nothing on Earth more important my friends,
Than the loving relations you weave.

Paine Ellsworth

God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

You've met then ?
jc



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God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

You've met then ?
jc



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He must have used mathematics in some way, you can describe all his
physical laws with mathematics...

"Painius" skrev i en meddelelse
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"jabriol" wrote in message...
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A professor of mathematics from the University of Cambridge, P. Dirac,
said,
in the magazine Scientific American: "One could perhaps describe the
situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high order,
and He
used very advanced mathematics in constructing the universe."

Mathematics ?

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

--
happy days and...
starry starry nights!

Ode Man Dying

So I fear I'm not long for this planet my friends,
And I'll miss you the moment I leave,
After that I've no clue just what happens my friends,
And I ask only that you don't grieve.

For I've lived a long life full of loving my friends,
And in this much I know you'll believe...
There is nothing on Earth more important my friends,
Than the loving relations you weave.

Paine Ellsworth

He must have used mathematics in some way, you can describe all his
physical laws with mathematics...

"Painius" skrev i en meddelelse
...
"jabriol" wrote in message...
...

A professor of mathematics from the University of Cambridge, P. Dirac,
said,
in the magazine Scientific American: "One could perhaps describe the
situation by saying that God is a mathematician of a very high order,
and He
used very advanced mathematics in constructing the universe."

Mathematics ?

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

--
happy days and...
starry starry nights!

Ode Man Dying

So I fear I'm not long for this planet my friends,
And I'll miss you the moment I leave,
After that I've no clue just what happens my friends,
And I ask only that you don't grieve.

For I've lived a long life full of loving my friends,
And in this much I know you'll believe...
There is nothing on Earth more important my friends,
Than the loving relations you weave.

Paine Ellsworth

Painius wrote,

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics
!!!

Paine, I'm shocked. SHOCKED.G. A little while back you were totally
gung-ho for math and the "Show me the Math" crowd. Whatever brought you
to such heresy? oc

"It is described abstractly in the language of mathematics, _but not
explained_."

Prof. Michio Kaku quoting Einstein (paraphrasing): "A viable model
should be readily understandable to the layman without need for math.
Math is just the bookeeping."

Painius wrote,

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics
!!!

Paine, I'm shocked. SHOCKED.G. A little while back you were totally
gung-ho for math and the "Show me the Math" crowd. Whatever brought you
to such heresy? oc

"It is described abstractly in the language of mathematics, _but not
explained_."

Prof. Michio Kaku quoting Einstein (paraphrasing): "A viable model
should be readily understandable to the layman without need for math.
Math is just the bookeeping."

"Pete" wrote in message
k...


He must have used mathematics in some way, you can describe all his
physical laws with mathematics...


And your mathematics can describe absolutely
nothing that actually exists.

A glaring fault.

Please use your mathematics to describe
something as pedestrian as a cloud, or a
belief?

These actual things have more power to
effect our reality and the future than any
'fundamental' law. We have been studying
that which is the least important and
meaningful. Classical science is the
exaltation of trivia.

We need a new mathematics, and new
fundamental laws based on what things
....do, not on what they ...are.

NOTHING in the universe is objective, repeatable
precise or knowable. Our laws should reflect
this reality, yet we strive for exactly the
opposite, an equation. Is it any wonder
we remain limited by intractable
contradictions and confusion?

Our model must be consistent with what is
being modeled. Being self-consistent, as is
classical science, is NOT enough.

The following 'new' mathematics is both.


INVESTIGATIONS
STUART A. KAUFFMAN
http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/People/ka...tigations.html


Jonathan

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"Pete" wrote in message
k...


He must have used mathematics in some way, you can describe all his
physical laws with mathematics...


And your mathematics can describe absolutely
nothing that actually exists.

A glaring fault.

Please use your mathematics to describe
something as pedestrian as a cloud, or a
belief?

These actual things have more power to
effect our reality and the future than any
'fundamental' law. We have been studying
that which is the least important and
meaningful. Classical science is the
exaltation of trivia.

We need a new mathematics, and new
fundamental laws based on what things
....do, not on what they ...are.

NOTHING in the universe is objective, repeatable
precise or knowable. Our laws should reflect
this reality, yet we strive for exactly the
opposite, an equation. Is it any wonder
we remain limited by intractable
contradictions and confusion?

Our model must be consistent with what is
being modeled. Being self-consistent, as is
classical science, is NOT enough.

The following 'new' mathematics is both.


INVESTIGATIONS
STUART A. KAUFFMAN
http://www.santafe.edu/sfi/People/ka...tigations.html


Jonathan

s

"Bill Sheppard" wrote in message...
...

Painius wrote,

Mathematics ???!

God don' need no stinking mathematics !!!

Paine, I'm shocked. SHOCKED.G. A little while back you were totally
gung-ho for math and the "Show me the Math" crowd. Whatever brought you
to such heresy? oc

It is... sort of a... sarcasmic constant with me. Probably one
of my greatest blunders! g

"It is described abstractly in the language of mathematics, _but not
explained_."

Prof. Michio Kaku quoting Einstein (paraphrasing): "A viable model
should be readily understandable to the layman without need for math.
Math is just the bookeeping."

And without the bookkeeping, any "viable model" may be
insignificantly correct and substantially wrong, and it just
might lead people astray... and i'm not up for poison
koolaid this month.

Sorry, Bill... God may not need no stinking math, but science
needs math like water needs life!

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Are you lonely?
Are you only one of many lonely ones?
We are only
Oh! so lonely for we tend the only suns.

Paine Ellsworth