How do you pronounce Pleiades?

My 2 cents..
I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce this word in English, and this thread is not really helping.
I think...
1/. Without any opinion, I think 'American' is like it's own language. Whether you like it or not, it just is.
2/. I don't know where in the world speaks 'proper English' because the Brits blow my mind and I seriously can't understand some of them. (Could say the same of me, but that wouldn't be my opinion).
3/. Subaru, I pronounce it Su-baa-roo and my take on it is.. if I own it, I'll pronounce it the way I like. The Subaru dealership agreed when I bought the car. If you owned it, I wouldn't correct you. But for debates sake, above is how I pronounce it. It made me laugh to see it in these comments, but it's a similar debatable pronunciation issue. Only thing is, Pleiades, is from an ancient language and the other not so much.
I'm from New Zealand (we speak funny English too apparently) and I am Maori.. The seven sisters (ahem, avoids argument) in my culture marks the beginning of a new year. It is called Matariki. (Pronounced Mata-ree-kee). And it signifies the beginning of a new year, as Maori were star navigators and planting, gardens, harvest, all were done according to a calendar written by the stars. It's a special time of year. It signifies the beginning of new harvest, the beginning of life, for earth is life, food is life ...and being winter here at this time of year it also signifies education. Which makes sense, because being all snuggled up for winter is the best time to be listening to ancient stories..
So, for argument sake. Think I'm gonna figure out how to pronounce it correctly. I do not like to mispronounce words of other languages in a *******ised way that I feel like, nor would I offer an opinion on that... because I personally do not know.
So my pronounciation is 'excuse me if I mis-pronounce this... play-uh-des' .... the whole thing! Yes! The whole thing.
For me, I'm still going to refer to the event of these stars appearing as Matariki. Because that's what it signifies, not because it is a replacement word.
And this is a real event in my culture. It's our new year. But not new year in the way we celebrate today (I.e getting so drunk ya lucky to see the clock tick over), it's the beginning.
So, that's my 2 cents.
In closing.. I read this article in the hopes of learning how to pronounce a word. I leave this article still not knowing. But, I'm now comfortable with my Subaru stance. And dropped a bit of my culture on you all!
Happy new year fellow ******* English speakers. 💥â*�ï¸�ðŸ�ºðŸ˜Ž

On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

My 2 cents..
I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce this word in English, and this thread is not really helping.
I think...
1/. Without any opinion, I think 'American' is like it's own language. Whether you like it or not, it just is.
2/. I don't know where in the world speaks 'proper English' because the Brits blow my mind and I seriously can't understand some of them. (Could say the same of me, but that wouldn't be my opinion).
3/. Subaru, I pronounce it Su-baa-roo and my take on it is.. if I own it, I'll pronounce it the way I like. The Subaru dealership agreed when I bought the car. If you owned it, I wouldn't correct you. But for debates sake, above is how I pronounce it. It made me laugh to see it in these comments, but it's a similar debatable pronunciation issue. Only thing is, Pleiades, is from an ancient language and the other not so much.
I'm from New Zealand (we speak funny English too apparently) and I am Maori. The seven sisters (ahem, avoids argument) in my culture marks the beginning of a new year. It is called Matariki. (Pronounced Mata-ree-kee). And it signifies the beginning of a new year, as Maori were star navigators and planting, gardens, harvest, all were done according to a calendar written by the stars. It's a special time of year. It signifies the beginning of new harvest, the beginning of life, for earth is life, food is life ...and being winter here at this time of year it also signifies education. Which makes sense, because being all snuggled up for winter is the best time to be listening to ancient stories..
So, for argument sake. Think I'm gonna figure out how to pronounce it correctly. I do not like to mispronounce words of other languages in a *******ised way that I feel like, nor would I offer an opinion on that... because I personally do not know.
So my pronounciation is 'excuse me if I mis-pronounce this... play-uh-des' ... the whole thing! Yes! The whole thing.
For me, I'm still going to refer to the event of these stars appearing as Matariki. Because that's what it signifies, not because it is a replacement word.
And this is a real event in my culture. It's our new year. But not new year in the way we celebrate today (I.e getting so drunk ya lucky to see the clock tick over), it's the beginning.
So, that's my 2 cents.
In closing.. I read this article in the hopes of learning how to pronounce a word. I leave this article still not knowing. But, I'm now comfortable with my Subaru stance. And dropped a bit of my culture on you all!
Happy new year fellow ******* English speakers. ?????

Well, pronunciation in English is not rigidly dependent on rules.
Convention is important, and convention varies regionally and
culturally. So I wouldn't say there's really a "correct" pronunciation
for the Pleiades, just several acceptable ones. (The situation isn't
helped by our lack of perfect knowledge of the pronunciation of
ancient Greek, either.)

The majority of people say PLEE-uh-dees or PLAY-uh-dees or
PLY-uh-dees. You're not going to go wrong (or misunderstood) with any
of these.
..

On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:00:46 UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

My 2 cents..
I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce this word in English, and this thread is not really helping.
I think...
1/. Without any opinion, I think 'American' is like it's own language. Whether you like it or not, it just is.
2/. I don't know where in the world speaks 'proper English' because the Brits blow my mind and I seriously can't understand some of them. (Could say the same of me, but that wouldn't be my opinion).
3/. Subaru, I pronounce it Su-baa-roo and my take on it is.. if I own it, I'll pronounce it the way I like. The Subaru dealership agreed when I bought the car. If you owned it, I wouldn't correct you. But for debates sake, above is how I pronounce it. It made me laugh to see it in these comments, but it's a similar debatable pronunciation issue. Only thing is, Pleiades, is from an ancient language and the other not so much.
I'm from New Zealand (we speak funny English too apparently) and I am Maori. The seven sisters (ahem, avoids argument) in my culture marks the beginning of a new year. It is called Matariki. (Pronounced Mata-ree-kee). And it signifies the beginning of a new year, as Maori were star navigators and planting, gardens, harvest, all were done according to a calendar written by the stars. It's a special time of year. It signifies the beginning of new harvest, the beginning of life, for earth is life, food is life ...and being winter here at this time of year it also signifies education. Which makes sense, because being all snuggled up for winter is the best time to be listening to ancient stories..
So, for argument sake. Think I'm gonna figure out how to pronounce it correctly. I do not like to mispronounce words of other languages in a *******ised way that I feel like, nor would I offer an opinion on that... because I personally do not know.
So my pronounciation is 'excuse me if I mis-pronounce this... play-uh-des' ... the whole thing! Yes! The whole thing.
For me, I'm still going to refer to the event of these stars appearing as Matariki. Because that's what it signifies, not because it is a replacement word.
And this is a real event in my culture. It's our new year. But not new year in the way we celebrate today (I.e getting so drunk ya lucky to see the clock tick over), it's the beginning.
So, that's my 2 cents.
In closing.. I read this article in the hopes of learning how to pronounce a word. I leave this article still not knowing. But, I'm now comfortable with my Subaru stance. And dropped a bit of my culture on you all!
Happy new year fellow ******* English speakers. ?????

Well, pronunciation in English is not rigidly dependent on rules.
Convention is important, and convention varies regionally and
culturally. So I wouldn't say there's really a "correct" pronunciation
for the Pleiades, just several acceptable ones. (The situation isn't
helped by our lack of perfect knowledge of the pronunciation of
ancient Greek, either.)

The majority of people say PLEE-uh-dees

That is it.

missywhitewood192:
My 2 cents..
I'm trying to figure out how to pronounce this word in English, and this
thread is not really helping.

Usenet is not the place to learn pronunciation. Open the Oxford
dictionary that came with your Mac. Or take that 2 cents and put it
toward a dictionary. It is a dictionary that will teach you to
pronounce Pleiades. I use the first of the two pronunciations shown in
Wikipedia. Sorry, I can't give it to you in IPA; my Usenet client
doesn't support it.

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Mike Collins:
I could never get on with Patrick Moore's ridiculous pronunciation of
Uranus which should obviously sound like Uranium. His pronunciation of
Betelgeuse was also silly.

I don't know how Mr. Moore pronounced the name of that star, but if he
wasn't aware that "Betelgeuse" stemmed from a mis-reading of an Arabic
text in the middle ages, he would not have known that the name of the
star is Yed-al-jawz, in which "Jawz" sounds similar to "cows." "Hand of
the giant." Wikipedia will show you the Arabic. Note that there are two
points under the initial letter. That's a "y" sound. One of those
points must have been missing in the text from which the erroneous
transcription came. That would make the letter a "b": Bad-al-Jawz. The
translator didn't know the word "bd" and I don't know that such a word
exists in Arabic. So he assigned a meaning: shoulder, or armpit.

Wikipedia says that Yed-al-jawz means "armpit of the giant," but in my
31 years as an Arabic speaker I have never encountered "yed" as meaning
anything but hand except in certain phrases such as yed-al-kursi, "arm
of the chair." Curiously, "jawz" is the Arabic name of Gemini.

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I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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Davoud wrote:
Mike Collins:
I could never get on with Patrick Moore's ridiculous pronunciation of
Uranus which should obviously sound like Uranium. His pronunciation of
Betelgeuse was also silly.

I don't know how Mr. Moore pronounced the name of that star, but if he
wasn't aware that "Betelgeuse" stemmed from a mis-reading of an Arabic
text in the middle ages, he would not have known that the name of the
star is Yed-al-jawz, in which "Jawz" sounds similar to "cows." "Hand of
the giant." Wikipedia will show you the Arabic. Note that there are two
points under the initial letter. That's a "y" sound. One of those
points must have been missing in the text from which the erroneous
transcription came. That would make the letter a "b": Bad-al-Jawz. The
translator didn't know the word "bd" and I don't know that such a word
exists in Arabic. So he assigned a meaning: shoulder, or armpit.

Wikipedia says that Yed-al-jawz means "armpit of the giant," but in my
31 years as an Arabic speaker I have never encountered "yed" as meaning
anything but hand except in certain phrases such as yed-al-kursi, "arm
of the chair." Curiously, "jawz" is the Arabic name of Gemini.


Patrick Moore always said bayteljers a remarkably Germanic pronunciation
for someone who hated Germans after the death of his fiancée in an air
raid.
Unfortunately this pronunciation has caught on to some extent in the
UK but I usually hear it as beetlejooz.

On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 3:29:42 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

I could never get on with Patrick Moore's ridiculous pronunciation of
Uranus which should obviously sound like Uranium.

In order to avoid having it sound... objectionable (as in "your anus")... and
since "ur" as in the Babylonian city or the German word for "original" is hard to
justify... using the fact that it came from Greek, and saying "Ouranos" instead is
an entirely reasonable expedient in a desperate situation.

John Savard

Obviously, when one looks at the sequence of letters "Pleiades" in English, the
first pronounciation that comes to mind is "Plee-aydz".

That is, of course, wrong. Since "Pleiades" came from Greek, it needs to be
pronounced according to Greek rules rather than English ones, since that is the
standard practice of the English language with regard to borrowed rules... and the
reason why English spelling is so atrocious in a phonetic sense.

So it might be pronounced "Play-a-dess" or "Play-a-deez". We would have to start
from Î*λειάδες and apply Ancient Greek pronounciation rules to find out.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 3:29:42 AM UTC-6, Mike Collins wrote:

I could never get on with Patrick Moore's ridiculous pronunciation of
Uranus which should obviously sound like Uranium.

In order to avoid having it sound... objectionable (as in "your anus")... and
since "ur" as in the Babylonian city or the German word for "original" is hard to
justify... using the fact that it came from Greek, and saying "Ouranos" instead is
an entirely reasonable expedient in a desperate situation.

John Savard


So do you use Ouranium 235 in reactors? The correct pronunciation is
whatever is in use.

Quadibloc wrote:
Obviously, when one looks at the sequence of letters "Pleiades" in English, the
first pronounciation that comes to mind is "Plee-aydz".

That is, of course, wrong. Since "Pleiades" came from Greek, it needs to be
pronounced according to Greek rules rather than English ones, since that is the
standard practice of the English language with regard to borrowed rules... and the
reason why English spelling is so atrocious in a phonetic sense.

So it might be pronounced "Play-a-dess" or "Play-a-deez". We would have to start
from Î*λειάδες and apply Ancient Greek pronounciation rules to find out.

John Savard


I am not Greek. Neither are you. It's natural for me to pronounce ei as eye
since that's the rule I learned in German lessons at school. "Never say
die" say dee.
In Britain it's Plyadeez.
And on the subject of Greek pronunciation here beta is beeta but for you
it's probably bayta.