Congratulations to Lockheed-Martin on winning the Orion program

It looks beautiful. and I can't wait for the USA to get back to The
Moon.

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

- Stewart

horseshoe7 wrote:

It looks beautiful. and I can't wait for the USA to get back to The
Moon.

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

Getting to the Moon for its own sake isn't a very laudable goal at this
point since it's already been done. Also, without the infrastructure in
place to make further missions easier, we're back to square one when and
if we finish, just like the Apollo program. Except The national
interest isn't piqued by it this time.

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I'm paranoid. But am I paranoid enough?
-- Louis Wu

horseshoe7 wrote:
It looks beautiful. and I can't wait for the USA to get back to The
Moon.

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

- Stewart



Ballistic capsules on expendable launchers are still not my idea of
how we should be getting to LEO by now.

If the system's not economically sustainable (Apollo wasn't [and
didn't pretend to be], the Shuttle isn't [in spite of pretending to be],
and this isn't either), it'll still be its own kind of ball and chain...

--

Frank

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"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb

Frank Glover wrote:
horseshoe7 wrote:
It looks beautiful. and I can't wait for the USA to get back to The
Moon.

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

- Stewart

Ballistic capsules on expendable launchers are still not my idea of
how we should be getting to LEO by now.

If the system's not economically sustainable (Apollo wasn't [and
didn't pretend to be], the Shuttle isn't [in spite of pretending to be],
and this isn't either), it'll still be its own kind of ball and chain...

But, nothing like STS was. STS needs to have a segment on ENGINEERING
DISASTERS... it just wouldn't be politically correct, while we are
forced to use the darn system to (ineffeciently) shuttle humans to/from
space.

"Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
- Chinese Proverb

I agree... quit bugging us - we are going back to the moon, using a
system based on the one that got us there in the first place.

- Stewart

:: "Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
:: - Chinese Proverb

: "horseshoe7"
: I agree... quit bugging us - we are going back to the moon, using a
: system based on the one that got us there in the first place.

Should man who say "I don't want to pay for that"
interupt man spending money? Just hypothetically, I mean.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

"horseshoe7" wrote:

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

Yes. We are going to replace it with a *new and different*
deathtrap/moneypit which will be the ball and chain for the next 30
thirty years.

This isn't progress.

D.
--
Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh.

-Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings.
Oct 5th, 2004 JDL

Wayne Throop wrote:
:: "Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
:: - Chinese Proverb

: "horseshoe7"
: I agree... quit bugging us - we are going back to the moon, using a
: system based on the one that got us there in the first place.

Should man who say "I don't want to pay for that"
interupt man spending money? Just hypothetically, I mean.

No more than those who want to "interrupt" spending on NPR, Amtrak,
NEA, La Raza, ACLU, excessive Global Warming research, Welfare, BIG
government, bussing, and other "left-wing kookiness".

- Stewart

:::: "Man who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt man doing it."
:::: - Chinese Proverb

::: I agree... quit bugging us - we are going back to the moon, using a
::: system based on the one that got us there in the first place.

:: Should man who say "I don't want to pay for that" interupt man
:: spending money? Just hypothetically, I mean.

: "horseshoe7"
: No more than those who want to "interrupt" spending on NPR, Amtrak,
: NEA, La Raza, ACLU, excessive Global Warming research, Welfare, BIG
: government, bussing, and other "left-wing kookiness".

So... you're saying that analogously, the return to the moon
is "kookiness" of some "wing" or another?


above the planet on a wing and a prayer
my grubby halo, a vapour trail in the empty air
across the clouds I see my shadow fly
out of the corner of my watering eye
--- "Learning to Fly" Pink Floyd


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

Erik Max Francis wrote:
horseshoe7 wrote:

It looks beautiful. and I can't wait for the USA to get back to The
Moon.

Now, get going on building a WORKING system, to replace the useless STS
deathtrap/money pit that has been a ball and chain around the ankle of
this USA for 30 years.

Getting to the Moon for its own sake isn't a very laudable goal at this
point since it's already been done. Also, without the infrastructure in
place to make further missions easier, we're back to square one when and
if we finish, just like the Apollo program. Except The national
interest isn't piqued by it this time.

The point isn't to go to the moon; but to explore the moon thoroughly.
That certainly has not been done. We don't even know if there is water
there, never mind about lunar geology beyond the surface rocks brought
back from Apollo.

Amen! It is time to get going with a scaleable semi-reuseable system!
The blunt end re-entry capsule is an fine example of just how right
they got it in the 60's. The main problem I have is with the Ares I
stick config.! To keep from having to do a complete 39A & B rebuild,
(And loosing the cap. of launching a stored, shuttle in a pinch, (or
interupting shuttle close out), put the cev on top of a modified,
(Scaled down), shuttle tank w/ SRB's on the side. This will work, and
allow for use of most of the existing ground hardware. The Heavy Ares
V, needs to be pushed faster too! Maybe it is time to build a new pad
just for it? As for the fella stating that, "the public is not behind
the new program", (Get over it)! The public that pays the bills, (i.e.,
not sports fans, mtv (non-rocking present afro version), video game
playing, tree hugging "Oh-My-God the Worlds Melting", idoits), is tired
of being told who is interested and who is not, (By folks like you)! I
want my future now please!! I have already paid for it! What is wrong
with wanting what I was promissed! I guess you want to put off a
good/fun future, for funding, studies of belly lint, new gee-wiz
military lie/program, or rebuilding Willy Wonka's Factory!

Please try and stay on the task of helping get us to the Stars! The mud
here has been well traveled and studied!

Have a great day!

Carl