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Addressing the formation of the solar system
On Apr 7, 11:59*am, BradGuth wrote:
On Apr 7, 12:00*am, "Mark Earnest" wrote: "BURT" wrote in message .... How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star? How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets? There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together for the order of the solar system we now see? Nobody can do it. And never will. Mitch Raemsch Gas does not come together. It dissipates. There is no way the solar system could have formed, except by supernatural accomplishment. There's always good old gravity, the electrostatic force and the magnetic force of attraction, in addition to just the natural process of recombining and subsequent crystal growth of matter (aka black diamond). *~ BG- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How does all the matter end up in an accretion disc or the solar plane? Mitch Raemsch |
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On Apr 6, 11:44 pm, Martin Brown wrote: Mark Earnest wrote: "BURT" wrote in message ... How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star? How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets? There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together for the order of the solar system we now see? Nobody can do it. And never will. Mitch Raemsch Gas does not come together. It dissipates. There is no way the solar system could have formed, except by supernatural accomplishment. Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well. http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...tion.asp?Cate=... Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic. But how do you get everything to move in the same direction. You don't need to. The material when it collides exchanges momentum scattering a few objects out of the system and binding the rest ever more closely together. The initially random motions average out and if there is any significant net angular momentum remaining then you have a distinct spin axis which defines a plane perpendicular to it. It is rare to find something undergoing gravitational collapse with zero net angular momentum but by no means impossible. And just like the ballerina pulling her arms in as the matter in the nebula moves in toward the spin axis conservation of angular momentum makes it orbit faster. Also why is there a plane? There doesn't have to be a plane. But if the material starts out with some net angular momentum then it will define a spin axis. You probably won't get any planets unless there is a decent accretion disk formed around the star. People are still haggling about how often it occurs. Globular star clusters like M13 are examples of larger aggregations of stars tightly gravitationally bound into a spherically symmetric ball. http://www.concentric.net/~Richmann/m13w.htm Regards, Martin Brown |
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BURT wrote: How does all the matter end up in an accretion disc or the solar plane? By now, it's clear that "BURT" or "Mitch" never learns anything. He's either a troll or a moron. Don't waste your time explaining things to him over and over again. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind. |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
On Apr 7, 1:16*pm, (Richard Tobin) wrote:
In article , BURT wrote: How does all the matter end up in an accretion disc or the solar plane? By now, it's clear that "BURT" or "Mitch" never learns anything. *He's either a troll or a moron. *Don't waste your time explaining things to him over and over again. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind. You sir are a baffoon. |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
"Mike Dworetsky" wrote in message ... "Mark Earnest" wrote in message ... "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Mark Earnest wrote: "BURT" wrote in message ... How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star? How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets? There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together for the order of the solar system we now see? Nobody can do it. And never will. Mitch Raemsch Gas does not come together. It dissipates. There is no way the solar system could have formed, except by supernatural accomplishment. Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well. http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13 Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic. Regards, Martin Brown No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System. Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation." No, you tell me how "Goddidit" is not a cryptic explanation first. Can't explain it, just as I thought. |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
"Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Mark Earnest wrote: "Martin Brown" wrote in message ... Mark Earnest wrote: "BURT" wrote in message ... How do accretion discs form in a flat plane around a star? How does the gravitational order bring matter together in the solar plane. How then does this matter proceed to become planets? There were trillions of lumps of matter. How did they come together for the order of the solar system we now see? Nobody can do it. And never will. Mitch Raemsch Gas does not come together. It dissipates. There is no way the solar system could have formed, except by supernatural accomplishment. Gravity and conservation of angular momentum seem to work pretty well. http://astronomyonline.org/SolarSyst...&SubCate2=SS13 Is a fairly reasonable basic introduction to the topic. Regards, Martin Brown No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System. Gravitational attraction of mostly neutral matter, a small amount of dissipative friction and radiative cooling of the accretion disk is all that is needed to allow solar systems to form and planets to condense. Gravity is the weakest magnitude force but it always attracts. Shockwaves and excreta from nearby supernovae almost certainly played a part in our solar systems formation - it contains far too much iron and heavier elements to be a first generation star. Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation." You mean like you do? Superstitious cryptic "just so" stories are no "explanation" of anything. Regards, Martin Brown It isn't "matter" that coalesced, it is gas, and gas does not coalesce without some kind of help. If you don't know about the supernatural, then you don't know why under the correct conditions, corn turns inside out to form popcorn. |
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"Mark Earnest" wrote in message ca...
It isn't "matter" that coalesced, it is gas, and gas does not coalesce without some kind of help. If you don't know about the supernatural, then you don't know why under the correct conditions, corn turns inside out to form popcorn. Oh good grief. And creationists wonder why no one takes them seriously. Hey Mark, how old is the rock at the bottom of the Grand Canyon? |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
On 07/04/09 09:16, Mark Earnest wrote:
No, YOU tell me how gas anti dissipated into the Solar System. It didn't "anti-dissipate". Don't rely on some cryptic nonsense as some kind of "explanation." Whats your "explanation"? Please don't rely on some cryptic nonsense such as "a divine being did it". Incidentally does our atmosphere dissipate, or does some "anti-dissipation" force keep it swirling round the earth? How about the moon? (irrelevant groups snipped) |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
On 07/04/09 23:11, Mark Earnest wrote:
It isn't "matter" that coalesced, it is gas, and gas does not coalesce without some kind of help. Gas /is/ matter, and Martin already explained the "help" it was getting. If you don't know about the supernatural, then you don't know why under the correct conditions, corn turns inside out to form popcorn. Amusing. But at least now we know you're either a blatant troll, or a lunatic. |
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Addressing the formation of the solar system
On 07/04/09 22:28, BURT wrote:
On Apr 7, 1:16 pm, (Richard Tobin) wrote: In , wrote: How does all the matter end up in an accretion disc or the solar plane? By now, it's clear that "BURT" or "Mitch" never learns anything. He's either a troll or a moron. Don't waste your time explaining things to him over and over again. -- Richard -- Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind. You sir are a baffoon. Its spelled with a U. Meanwhile if you read the original references quoted by Martin, you'd know the answer. |
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