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"Moe Blues" wrote in message ... In article , "John Maxson" wrote: You're a liar. -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) Moe Blues wrote in message ... Uh, not to put too fine a point on things, but you've NEVER explained in even vague concepts how the boosters crossed. See--right here is the absolute classic. The intelligent, rational response would have been, "Well, I posted this back on XX/XX/XX, and, for the record, here's my explanation of how the boosters crossed." Instead, what you serve up as a response is the above. John, you could have the absolute, rock-solid, cast-in-gold, engraved-by-God answers to what happened to Challenger. But as long as your response to ANY question on ANY point is "You're a liar," or "You're abusive," or any of your other stock responses *NOBODY* can take you seriously or even begin to consider your points. Moe Moe, You have been around long enough to know where to find the answers, my dad doesn't play games like you want him to do that is quite clear to me. Prove he isn't a "liar" or go find the data, it's quite simple! PM |
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"John Maxson" wrote:
Retract your lies, all of them. ?????????????? Please repost your explanation of how the STS-51L boosters crossed. Scott M. Kozel wrote Then please repost your explanation of how the boosters crossed. "John Maxson" wrote: You're a liar. Moe Blues wrote Uh, not to put too fine a point on things, but you've NEVER explained in even vague concepts how the boosters crossed. |
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"John Maxson" wrote in message
Retract your lies, all of them. -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) This is getting to be rather funny. When these kinds of replies start showing up in post after post I imagine JTM repetitively speaking them while under the influence of a lungful of helium... |
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message ... "Paul Maxson" wrote in message ... Moe, You have been around long enough to know where to find the answers, my dad doesn't play games like you want him to do that is quite clear to me. Prove he isn't a "liar" or go find the data, it's quite simple! Paul, reread the thread. It was your father that called Moe the liar. And seriously, this is the way debate works. The person making the claims provides the evidence. If your father did so clearly explain it, he should be able to provide the tinyurl. He is after all quite good at it. PM Greg, I don't have to reread the thread. There is no need to down talk me (that's how I took it.) I know Moe's history and I know his questions are not only loaded but asked and answered here or elsewhere. Besides I talked to my dad on the landline about this very issue tonight and how I ignore certain people. It has worked well for me and I think he is interested in implementing some filters too. FYI. We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon and Daniel. We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some credibility with me when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it. Maybe Jon will recant and send me E-202? :-) Till then all the minutia is getting redundant and frustrations may be kicking in on *both* sides. PM |
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"Moe Blues" wrote in message ... In article , "John Maxson" wrote: You're a liar. -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) Greg and Moe, This search took me 2.5 seconds just punching in John Maxson boosters crossed http://tinyurl.com/m1xe Imagine what could be done with 3 minutes in Google (gasp.) I am not encouraging name calling in fact I don't like it and my dad knows it. Regardless in the context that my father said "you are a liar" whether it was liked or not, it was factually correct. I think he is just tired of repeating himself and I have talked him into implementing filters towards people who have no background (like Kozel.) It works for me. PM Search Result 2 From: John Maxson ) Subject: Booster Juxtaposition -- Mission 51-L View: Complete Thread (5 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle Date: 2003-05-06 15:09:43 PST Kent Betts wrote in message ... "John Maxson" wrote: Take a look at the black ID band on the left SRB while the shuttle sits on the pad. That band is like a mint mark on a quarter in your left pocket, which differs from a quarter in your right pocket with no mint mark. I understand that the SRBs were marked, and the left SRB had a black ID band. So after the SRB crossing in the fireball, the left SRB's marking was mistaken or ignored by NASA, mistaking it for the right SRB and vice versa. Great, it's good that you understand that situation. Now, consider that shuttle on the pad to be a model in your hand, one with SRBs which you can detach and reattach. Take that model and hold it upside-down, a bit above eye level. Now lower it, detach the right booster, and use red nail polish to paint an O-ring burnthrough on the joint between its aft segment and its lower center segment -- at the vertical location where black smoke puffs were seen at the pad. Then reattach that SRB and raise it back to a bit above eye level, but be sure you hold it so that you can see this red "plume." I can visualize that part, but I was wondering what the meaning of the SRB crossing was to burn-through, or absence of burn though, prior to the explosion. Next, detach both boosters and raise the model back to a bit above eye level again. Pretend it's not there, that it only locates a fireball for you. Now have a friend take the booster with the red paint on it and the booster with the black ID band on its nose and hold them up for you, in front of your model/fireball. Make sure your friend juxtaposes the two boosters, so that they are on opposite sides from where they were when your plumed model was intact (ie., make sure the boosters exit from opposite sides of the "fireball" than on entry). Try as you may, you will not be able to make the red paint appear on the same side it was before the "crossing," nor will you be able to make the black ID band appear on the side it was before entry. On the other hand, if the red nail polish was actually no more than red non-SRB gases prior to the explosion, only the black ID band will help you identify whether the two boosters "crossed." In that case, any flares seen at exit must have originated *in* the fireball. -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) |
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"Paul Maxson" wrote in message
We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon and Daniel. We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some credibility with me when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it. Maybe Jon will recant and send me E-202? :-) Can you refresh my memory? I don't recall telling you I read your father's PCR testimony. I don't see what you are asking me to recant, nor do I recall mentioning E-202. And frankly, given your posting history here, losing credibility with you is not a concern. You have painted yourself as only superficially concerned with the truth, and appearing to be unbiased, while acting as a cheerleader for you dad. If you want my position, go he http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf Jon |
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In article , "Paul Maxson"
wrote: "Moe Blues" wrote in message ... In article , "John Maxson" wrote: You're a liar. -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) Greg and Moe, This search took me 2.5 seconds just punching in John Maxson boosters crossed http://tinyurl.com/m1xe SNIP Paul, the material you posted explains WHAT the boosters did, but not HOW the boosters crossed. Look, all I've ever asked of JTM is that he take a few moments to explain his theory and provide at least some minimal evidence. Evidently, he considers being asked for explanations to be "abusive." For the life of me, I don't know why that is. But I do know that it makes it essentially impossible figure out his reasoning. Moe |
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Jon Berndt wrote in message
m... "Paul Maxson" wrote in message Maybe Jon will recant and send me E-202? :-) Can you refresh my memory? snip I don't see what you are asking me to recant, nor do I recall mentioning E-202. You tried to discredit me with it here, just a few minutes earlier: "Aha! Well, this is probably the whole reason behind why you have been so misinformed for years. You need to get that one - it shows the black ID band on the left booster exiting to the south. I figured you had done *complete* research. I should have known better." -- John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace) Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com) |
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote in message
... In article , (Jon Berndt) wrote: "Paul Maxson" wrote in message We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon and Daniel. We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some credibility with me when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it. Maybe Jon will recant and send me E-202? :-) Can you refresh my memory? I don't recall telling you I read your father's PCR testimony. I don't see what you are asking me to recant, nor do I recall mentioning E-202. And frankly, given your posting history here, losing credibility with you is not a concern. You have painted yourself as only superficially concerned with the truth, and appearing to be unbiased, while acting as a cheerleader for you dad. If you want my position, go he http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf Jon Well-stated, Jon. For that matter, Paul seems to equate "testimony" with "truth," with "credibility," with "expertise," and with "significance." The mere fact of testimony, unsubstantiated and uncorroborated, means nothing. -- Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D. Reformed Aerospace Engineer "Heisenberg might have been here." ~ Anonymous Herb, The totality of your posts here whether from a Dr. standpoint, lawyer standpoint or aerospace engineer standpoint all add up together to equal a big FAT ZERO as to substance. Harassment, abuse, ridicule and borderline criminal behavior are your specialty (as to intent.) Giving statements after the fact do not release you from that. You're a lawyer remember? You should know this. Intent can be proven by your past actions always remember that Herb. If you think that is "libel" meet me in court Mr. Lawyer. Name the place and time and bring your psychological reviews of my father and your instructions to bring down my brothers website. Otherwise just unplug your keyboard and go away. PM |
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