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  #41  
Old September 3rd 03, 01:29 AM
Paul Maxson
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"Moe Blues" wrote in message ...
In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

You're a liar.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)



Moe Blues wrote in message
...

Uh, not to put too fine a point on things, but you've NEVER
explained in even vague concepts how the boosters crossed.


See--right here is the absolute classic. The intelligent, rational
response would have been, "Well, I posted this back on XX/XX/XX, and,
for the record, here's my explanation of how the boosters crossed."

Instead, what you serve up as a response is the above. John, you could
have the absolute, rock-solid, cast-in-gold, engraved-by-God answers to
what happened to Challenger. But as long as your response to ANY
question on ANY point is "You're a liar," or "You're abusive," or any
of your other stock responses *NOBODY* can take you seriously or even
begin to consider your points.

Moe



Moe,

You have been around long enough to know where to find the answers, my dad
doesn't play games like you want him to do that is quite clear to me.
Prove he isn't a "liar" or go find the data, it's quite simple!

PM


  #42  
Old September 3rd 03, 04:18 AM
Scott M. Kozel
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"John Maxson" wrote:

Retract your lies, all of them.


??????????????

Please repost your explanation of how the STS-51L boosters crossed.


Scott M. Kozel wrote

Then please repost your explanation of how the boosters crossed.

"John Maxson" wrote:

You're a liar.

Moe Blues wrote

Uh, not to put too fine a point on things, but you've NEVER
explained in even vague concepts how the boosters crossed.

  #43  
Old September 3rd 03, 04:19 AM
Jon Berndt
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"John Maxson" wrote in message

Retract your lies, all of them.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


This is getting to be rather funny. When these kinds of replies start
showing up in post after post I imagine JTM repetitively speaking them
while under the influence of a lungful of helium...
  #44  
Old September 3rd 03, 04:31 AM
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message ...

"Paul Maxson" wrote in message
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Moe,

You have been around long enough to know where to find the answers, my dad
doesn't play games like you want him to do that is quite clear to me.
Prove he isn't a "liar" or go find the data, it's quite simple!


Paul, reread the thread. It was your father that called Moe the liar.

And seriously, this is the way debate works. The person making the claims
provides the evidence. If your father did so clearly explain it, he should
be able to provide the tinyurl. He is after all quite good at it.



PM


Greg,

I don't have to reread the thread. There is no need to down talk me (that's how I took it.)

I know Moe's history and I know his questions
are not only loaded but asked and answered here or elsewhere.

Besides I talked to my dad on the landline about this very issue tonight
and how I ignore certain people. It has worked well
for me and I think he is interested in implementing some filters too. FYI.

We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon and Daniel.
We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some credibility with me
when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it. Maybe Jon will recant
and send me E-202? :-)

Till then all the minutia is getting redundant and frustrations may be kicking in
on *both* sides.

PM


  #45  
Old September 3rd 03, 04:59 AM
Paul Maxson
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"Moe Blues" wrote in message ...
In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

You're a liar.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Greg and Moe,

This search took me 2.5 seconds just punching in John Maxson boosters crossed

http://tinyurl.com/m1xe

Imagine what could be done with 3 minutes in Google (gasp.)

I am not encouraging name calling in fact I don't like it and my dad knows it.
Regardless in the context that my father said "you are a liar" whether it was liked
or not, it was factually correct. I think he is just tired of repeating himself and I have
talked him into implementing filters towards people who have no background
(like Kozel.) It works for me.

PM

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Subject: Booster Juxtaposition -- Mission 51-L
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Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle
Date: 2003-05-06 15:09:43 PST


Kent Betts wrote in message
...
"John Maxson" wrote:

Take a look at the black ID band on the left SRB while
the shuttle sits on the pad. That band is like a mint mark
on a quarter in your left pocket, which differs from a
quarter in your right pocket with no mint mark.


I understand that the SRBs were marked, and the left SRB had
a black ID band. So after the SRB crossing in the fireball, the
left SRB's marking was mistaken or ignored by NASA, mistaking
it for the right SRB and vice versa.


Great, it's good that you understand that situation. Now, consider
that shuttle on the pad to be a model in your hand, one with SRBs
which you can detach and reattach. Take that model and hold it
upside-down, a bit above eye level. Now lower it, detach the right
booster, and use red nail polish to paint an O-ring burnthrough on
the joint between its aft segment and its lower center segment -- at
the vertical location where black smoke puffs were seen at the pad.
Then reattach that SRB and raise it back to a bit above eye level,
but be sure you hold it so that you can see this red "plume."

I can visualize that part, but I was wondering what the meaning
of the SRB crossing was to burn-through, or absence of burn
though, prior to the explosion.


Next, detach both boosters and raise the model back to a bit above
eye level again. Pretend it's not there, that it only locates a fireball
for you. Now have a friend take the booster with the red paint on
it and the booster with the black ID band on its nose and hold them
up for you, in front of your model/fireball. Make sure your friend
juxtaposes the two boosters, so that they are on opposite sides from
where they were when your plumed model was intact (ie., make sure
the boosters exit from opposite sides of the "fireball" than on entry).

Try as you may, you will not be able to make the red paint appear
on the same side it was before the "crossing," nor will you be able
to make the black ID band appear on the side it was before entry.

On the other hand, if the red nail polish was actually no more than
red non-SRB gases prior to the explosion, only the black ID band
will help you identify whether the two boosters "crossed." In that
case, any flares seen at exit must have originated *in* the fireball.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


  #46  
Old September 3rd 03, 12:37 PM
Jon Berndt
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"Paul Maxson" wrote in message

We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon and Daniel.
We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some credibility with me
when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it. Maybe Jon will recant
and send me E-202? :-)


Can you refresh my memory? I don't recall telling you I read your
father's PCR testimony. I don't see what you are asking me to recant,
nor do I recall mentioning E-202. And frankly, given your posting
history here, losing credibility with you is not a concern. You have
painted yourself as only superficially concerned with the truth, and
appearing to be unbiased, while acting as a cheerleader for you dad.

If you want my position, go he

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf

Jon
  #47  
Old September 3rd 03, 02:06 PM
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In article , "Paul Maxson"
wrote:

"Moe Blues" wrote in message
...
In article , "John Maxson"
wrote:

You're a liar.

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


Greg and Moe,

This search took me 2.5 seconds just punching in John Maxson boosters crossed

http://tinyurl.com/m1xe

SNIP


Paul, the material you posted explains WHAT the boosters did, but not
HOW the boosters crossed.

Look, all I've ever asked of JTM is that he take a few moments to
explain his theory and provide at least some minimal evidence.
Evidently, he considers being asked for explanations to be "abusive."
For the life of me, I don't know why that is. But I do know that it
makes it essentially impossible figure out his reasoning.

Moe

  #48  
Old September 3rd 03, 02:09 PM
John Maxson
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Jon Berndt wrote in message
m...
"Paul Maxson" wrote in message

Maybe Jon will recant and send me E-202? :-)


Can you refresh my memory?

snip
I don't see what you are asking me to recant, nor do I recall
mentioning E-202.


You tried to discredit me with it here, just a few minutes earlier:

"Aha! Well, this is probably the whole reason behind
why you have been so misinformed for years. You
need to get that one - it shows the black ID band on
the left booster exiting to the south. I figured you had
done *complete* research. I should have known better."

--
John Thomas Maxson, Retired Engineer (Aerospace)
Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


  #50  
Old September 3rd 03, 06:31 PM
Paul Maxson
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"Herb Schaltegger" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(Jon Berndt) wrote:

"Paul Maxson" wrote in message

We are waiting for this "civil debate" that was supposed to begin with Jon
and Daniel.
We all have our videos and software so when does it start? Jon lost some
credibility with me
when he said he has read my fathers PCR testimony. I call it like I see it.
Maybe Jon will recant
and send me E-202? :-)


Can you refresh my memory? I don't recall telling you I read your
father's PCR testimony. I don't see what you are asking me to recant,
nor do I recall mentioning E-202. And frankly, given your posting
history here, losing credibility with you is not a concern. You have
painted yourself as only superficially concerned with the truth, and
appearing to be unbiased, while acting as a cheerleader for you dad.

If you want my position, go he

http://home.houston.rr.com/fancijon/conspiracy.pdf

Jon


Well-stated, Jon. For that matter, Paul seems to equate "testimony"
with "truth," with "credibility," with "expertise," and with
"significance."

The mere fact of testimony, unsubstantiated and uncorroborated, means
nothing.

--
Herb Schaltegger, B.S., J.D.
Reformed Aerospace Engineer
"Heisenberg might have been here."
~ Anonymous


Herb,

The totality of your posts here whether from a Dr. standpoint, lawyer standpoint or
aerospace engineer standpoint all add up together to equal a big FAT ZERO
as to substance.

Harassment, abuse, ridicule and borderline criminal behavior are your
specialty (as to intent.) Giving statements after the fact do not release you from that.

You're a lawyer remember? You should know this. Intent can be proven by your past actions
always remember that Herb.

If you think that is "libel" meet me in court Mr. Lawyer. Name the place and time
and bring your psychological reviews of my father and your instructions to bring
down my brothers website. Otherwise just unplug your keyboard and go away.

PM


 




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