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Terraforming the moon underground:
Perhaps this topic needs to incorporate a list of terrorist keywords
and phrases, so that our Operation Prism can home-in and back-door snoop and otherwise track my every move. After all, the very last thing our oligarchs want is any form of truly free speech or further status-quo embarrassments getting published about their puppet government agencies, our moon, Venus or even with any connection as to those Sirius stars. The badly depleted resource of terrestrial hydrocarbons and even good old helium is just another mainstream status-quo nondisclosure issue, so apparently that too is deserving of their topic/author stalking and bashings for all they can muster. On May 23, 7:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: In case some of you didn't realize it, "Terraforming the moon underground" means digging into it, and TBM means tunnel boring machine. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards? |
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Terraforming the moon underground:
Oddly, our CIA, NSA, DARPA and FBI have so much internal status quo
butt-covering skulduggery to deal with, that little pesky terrorist things of Karma like 9-11 slip right past them. No doubt PRISM has enough raw information to bust everything wide open, except that's not their oligarch approved job. On Jun 7, 10:41*am, Brad Guth wrote: Perhaps this topic needs to incorporate a list of terrorist keywords and phrases, so that our Operation Prism can home-in and back-door snoop and otherwise track my every move. After all, the very last thing our oligarchs want is any form of truly free speech or further status-quo embarrassments getting published about their puppet government agencies, our moon, Venus or even with any connection as to those Sirius stars. The badly depleted resource of terrestrial hydrocarbons and even good old helium is just another mainstream status-quo nondisclosure issue, so apparently that too is deserving of their topic/author stalking and bashings for all they can muster. On May 23, 7:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: In case some of you didn't realize it, "Terraforming the moon underground" means digging into it, and TBM means tunnel boring machine. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. |
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Terraforming the moon underground:
On 5/26/2013 4:19 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On May 26, 6:47 am, David Staup wrote: On 5/22/2013 10:51 PM, Brad Guth wrote: On May 22, 5:51 pm, David Staup wrote: On 4/21/2013 7:36 PM, Brad Guth wrote: On Apr 21, 4:04 pm, David Staup wrote: On 4/21/2013 5:53 PM, Brad Guth wrote: Terraforming the moon underground: (mining plus creating safe habitats inside of that extremely tough crust) is not nearly as insurmountable as you might think. Besides the mainstream naysay gauntlet against folks ever exploiting the extremely nearby planet Venus for all it s worth, it's as though there is also something oddly mainstream taboo/forbidden or nondisclosure associated with any notions of independently exploiting the likely soft innards of our physically dark and paramagnetic moon. Go figure that we re either being intentionally snookered or simply misdirected by our oligarch peers. Once TBMs(tunnel boring machines) are situated and working sufficiently deep underground (other than remote logistics issues that at first should be daunting), what's the likely geological difference between our moon and Earth? Inside the paramagnetic basalt crust of our moon is probably not going to be all that much different than tunneling inside of Earth s granite and much less paramagnetic basalt, especially once our TBMs get sufficiently into and below that extremely tough paramagnetic basalt and carbonado tough crust of 3.5+ g/cm3 that our NASA/Apollo era had documented as offering a much lower density as well as perfectly inert (not the least bit paramagnetic or hardly even mineral or other metal worthy) and otherwise as mostly monochromatic as well as hardly even the least bit dusty on top, and there certainly wasn t any problems with the failsafe technology of their fly-by-rocket landers that can be manually flown and easily scaled to suit pretty much any payload tonnage. However, the greatly reduced gravity should by rights yield a very soft or porous kind of moon innards, along with offering gas formed geode pockets and possibly layers of mineral brines (even a potential of hydrocarbons in addition to encountering a great deal of fused crust sequestered helium), in that once sufficiently underneath is when TBMs should whiz right through at a fraction of the difficulty found in dealing with the inner bedrock of Earth. No doubt the resident redneck FUD-masters and their oligarchs of authority in charge of mainstream damage-control, by having to continually topic/author stalk and otherwise sequester such independent notions about exploiting our moon, are probably going to need many extra Depends(aka adult diapers) in order to effectively deal with their usual damage-control exploits of topic/author stalking and trashing of this topic. Sorry about that. Fortunately, we only have to be realistic in order to appreciate what the inverted density or softer innards of our moon should have to offer, not to mention my other notions of creating the LSE-CM/ISS and of otherwise relocating the orbit of our moon as to actively station- keeping it within Earth L1. At least Stanley Kubrick would be so proud, not to mention most every global domination villain on Earth, including those of our Paperclip Nazis that supposedly got us safely to/from our moon without a scratch. Figuring conservatively that fewer than 10% access my topics and replies via Google Groups or Groups+, makes my global Usenet/newsgroup audience worth at least 32,210 per week. Google Groups: Your 7-day activity 14 discussions replies 29 direct replies to your messages 3221views of your messages 14 views of your profile Not sure if this reported activity is necessarily a good or bad thing, but none the less it seems to reflect that others are finding some of what I have to offer as either worth their while or at least entertaining. Perhaps there s not too many teachers or instructors that would have nearly the same audience to brag about, and especially those of my devoted FUD-masters as having an audience of roughly zero once excluding others of their own redneck FUD-master kind that must always brown-nose their oligarch peers, or else risk losing their funding. chuckle.... have you EVER considered..... that the reason you never get any serious responses.. is the absurdity of your thoughts.... Not really, but I do understand that ruse-masters and FUD-masters like yourself are a dime a dozen. Are you suggesting that exploiting our moon or even its L1 as our oasis/gateway and for accommodating the LSE-CM/ISS plus many other considerations, are not worth considering? Are you suggesting that saving Earth as a whole, its environment plus countless lives and perhaps more than a trillion dollars per year, as well as otherwise employing millions of us, is not such a good idea? How exactly are you calculating that I "never get any serious responses"? Google Groups: Your 7-day activity 14 discussions replies 32 direct replies to your messages 3240 views of your messages 15 views of your profile What sort of 7-day activity report does Google Groups report about your Usenet/newsgroup account? Dude all those replies are from YOU LOL You don't even understand how Google Groups works. That's rather pathetic, because most Usenet/newsgroup readers are not even using Google Groups version of accessing our topics, so chances are that tenfold as many have actually viewed my stuff. Your 7-day activity 1 discussion started 185 discussions replies 66 direct replies to your messages 6088 views of your messages 6 views of your profile LOL..you funny goofy pathetic...but funny idiotic ....but funny single digit IQ....but funny need I go on? Yes, we already know that you are the resident expert in pathetic, idiotic and single digit IQ. Why don't you tell us how you and others of your superior FUD kind would go about terraforming the innards of our moon? terraforming the innards of our moon????????? chuckle not that anyone would ever seriously consider doing it but FIRST you would have to dig a very big hole...on the moon of course then YOU crawl in and WE cover you over..... sounds good to me what an idiot.....hollow moon..LOL hollow moon or hollow head and the answer is (drum roll) you are a total idiot hollow moon, goofy venus, tow the moon... LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
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On 6/7/2013 11:08 AM, HVAC wrote:
On 6/7/2013 11:26 AM, Brad Guth wrote: Perhaps this topic needs to incorporate a list of terrorist keywords and phrases, so that our Operation Prism can home in and back-door snoop and otherwise track my every move. You want a prism in your back door? You need help for your bizarre anal/fecal fetish. I'm not so sure he can be helped ............... he is, after all, an asshole and a ****head so fetish or self appreciation? hard to tell with goofy.. I mean the hubris his every move really? NOT |
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Terraforming the moon underground:
Just like the methods used by early humans, whereas living in
protective caves is perhaps the only direct habitat usage of our moon, with air-locked tunnels created by a fleet of mostly robotic TBMs making the innards of our moon into cozy and relatively failsafe habitats. Something terminated most surface life as we know it, perhaps initiated as of 11,713 years ago when according to multiple ice-core samples from various independent research groups having told our geologists of when the last ice-age abruptly ended. http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wil...ees/methuselah “At 4,841 years old, this ancient bristlecone pine is the oldest known non-clonal organism on Earth.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees “The record-holders for individual, non-clonal trees may be the Great Basin bristlecone pine trees from California and Nevada, in the United States. Through tree-ring cross-referencing, they have been shown to be more than 5,000 years old.” ‘A colony of Huon pine trees covering 1 hectare (2.5 acres) on Mount Read, Tasmania is estimated to be around 10,000 years old, as determined by DNA samples taken from pollen collected from the sediment of a nearby lake. Individual trees in this group date to no more than 4,000 years old, as determined by tree ring samples.” Of course underground and cave dwelling life was way better protected, and much of its existence having been preserved, and thereby identified as having been existing for much older 11,713 years. In other words, to a great extent surface life was wiped clean, as though a very bad thing had taken place, and relatively soon thereafter the surviving humans as having been protected by their caves started taking notice of our moon, and perhaps for the first time had to deal with seasons. I’m thinking that Earth without any significant axial tilt and with somewhat less ocean tidal considerations becomes an icier planet, and otherwise without a moon is when nighttime becomes extremely dark and nasty to anything that didn’t already evolve with exceptional night vision and/or having its very own bioluminescent capability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision “Humans have poor night vision compared to many animals, in part because the human eye lacks a tapetum lucidum.” “Many animals have better night vision than humans do, the result of one or more differences in the morphology and anatomy of their eyes. These include having a larger eyeball, a larger lens, a larger optical aperture (the pupils may expand to the physical limit of the eyelids), more rods than cones (or rods exclusively) in the retina, and a tapetum lucidum.” Early humans had relatively small eyes, as well as no indications of any bioluminescent capability, and apparently were badly nearsighted as well as intellectually dumbfounded about practically everything. In other words, our physiology of that 10,000 BC era has us dependent on most everything going smoothly and friendly, because our intellectual capabilities were not hardly worth squat until something kicked our genetic evolution butts into high gear, at a thousandfold the rate of all other species on Earth, and yet our physiology remained as extremely limited and relatively frail compared to the vast majority of other life which was way better suited to surviving without the use of protective caves. Those early humans had to have had a great many fears and uncertainties over just about everything. Therefore most of anything outside of their protective caves had to have been truly remarkable as well as spectacular and otherwise mostly scary as hell, and most certainly worth noting as exaggerated in their cave wall paintings. Apparently, for all of its spooky grandeur and spectacular vibrant nature, their moon of that cave dwelling and still very ice-age era as of prior to 10,000 BC, simply didn’t muster up to anything worth their time. On May 23, 7:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: In case some of you didn't realize it, "Terraforming the moon underground" means digging into it, and TBM means tunnel boring machine. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards? |
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On Jun 10, 3:32*am, Brad Guth wrote:
Just like the methods used by early humans, whereas living in protective caves is perhaps the only direct habitat usage of our moon, with air-locked tunnels created by a fleet of mostly robotic TBMs making the innards of our moon into cozy and relatively failsafe habitats. Something terminated most surface life as we know it, perhaps initiated as of 11,713 years ago when according to multiple ice-core samples from various independent research groups having told our geologists of when the last ice-age abruptly ended. *http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wil...hotos/the-worl.... *“At 4,841 years old, this ancient bristlecone pine is the oldest known non-clonal organism on Earth.” *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees *“The record-holders for individual, non-clonal trees may be the Great Basin bristlecone pine trees from California and Nevada, in the United States. Through tree-ring cross-referencing, they have been shown to be more than 5,000 years old.” ‘A colony of Huon pine trees covering 1 hectare (2.5 acres) on Mount Read, Tasmania is estimated to be around 10,000 years old, as determined by DNA samples taken from pollen collected from the sediment of a nearby lake. Individual trees in this group date to no more than 4,000 years old, as determined by tree ring samples.” Of course underground and cave dwelling life was way better protected, and much of its existence having been preserved, and thereby identified as having been existing for much older 11,713 years. *In other words, to a great extent surface life was wiped clean, as though a very bad thing had taken place, and relatively soon thereafter the surviving humans as having been protected by their caves started taking notice of our moon, and perhaps for the first time had to deal with seasons. I’m thinking that Earth without any significant axial tilt and with somewhat less ocean tidal considerations becomes an icier planet, and otherwise without a moon is when nighttime becomes extremely dark and nasty to anything that didn’t already evolve with exceptional night vision and/or having its very own bioluminescent capability. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision *“Humans have poor night vision compared to many animals, in part because the human eye lacks a tapetum lucidum.” “Many animals have better night vision than humans do, the result of one or more differences in the morphology and anatomy of their eyes. These include having a larger eyeball, a larger lens, a larger optical aperture (the pupils may expand to the physical limit of the eyelids), more rods than cones (or rods exclusively) in the retina, and a tapetum lucidum.” Early humans had relatively small eyes, as well as no indications of any bioluminescent capability, and apparently were badly nearsighted as well as intellectually dumbfounded about practically everything. In other words, our physiology of that 10,000 BC era has us dependent on most everything going smoothly and friendly, because our intellectual capabilities were not hardly worth squat until something kicked our genetic evolution butts into high gear, at a thousandfold the rate of all other species on Earth, and yet our physiology remained as extremely limited and relatively frail compared to the vast majority of other life which was way better suited to surviving without the use of protective caves. Those early humans had to have had a great many fears and uncertainties over just about everything. *Therefore most of anything outside of their protective caves had to have been truly remarkable as well as spectacular and otherwise mostly scary as hell, and most certainly worth noting as exaggerated in their cave wall paintings. Apparently, for all of its spooky grandeur and spectacular vibrant nature, their moon of that cave dwelling and still very ice-age era as of prior to 10,000 BC, simply didn’t muster up to anything worth their time. On May 23, 7:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: In case some of you didn't realize it, "Terraforming the moon underground" means digging into it, and TBM means tunnel boring machine. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. |
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Terraforming the moon underground:
On Jun 11, 10:26*am, Brad Guth wrote:
On Jun 10, 3:32*am, Brad Guth wrote: Just like the methods used by early humans, whereas living in protective caves is perhaps the only direct habitat usage of our moon, with air-locked tunnels created by a fleet of mostly robotic TBMs making the innards of our moon into cozy and relatively failsafe habitats. Something terminated most surface life as we know it, perhaps initiated as of 11,713 years ago when according to multiple ice-core samples from various independent research groups having told our geologists of when the last ice-age abruptly ended. *http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wil...hotos/the-worl... *“At 4,841 years old, this ancient bristlecone pine is the oldest known non-clonal organism on Earth.” *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_trees *“The record-holders for individual, non-clonal trees may be the Great Basin bristlecone pine trees from California and Nevada, in the United States. Through tree-ring cross-referencing, they have been shown to be more than 5,000 years old.” ‘A colony of Huon pine trees covering 1 hectare (2.5 acres) on Mount Read, Tasmania is estimated to be around 10,000 years old, as determined by DNA samples taken from pollen collected from the sediment of a nearby lake. Individual trees in this group date to no more than 4,000 years old, as determined by tree ring samples.” Of course underground and cave dwelling life was way better protected, and much of its existence having been preserved, and thereby identified as having been existing for much older 11,713 years. *In other words, to a great extent surface life was wiped clean, as though a very bad thing had taken place, and relatively soon thereafter the surviving humans as having been protected by their caves started taking notice of our moon, and perhaps for the first time had to deal with seasons. I’m thinking that Earth without any significant axial tilt and with somewhat less ocean tidal considerations becomes an icier planet, and otherwise without a moon is when nighttime becomes extremely dark and nasty to anything that didn’t already evolve with exceptional night vision and/or having its very own bioluminescent capability. *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision *“Humans have poor night vision compared to many animals, in part because the human eye lacks a tapetum lucidum.” “Many animals have better night vision than humans do, the result of one or more differences in the morphology and anatomy of their eyes. These include having a larger eyeball, a larger lens, a larger optical aperture (the pupils may expand to the physical limit of the eyelids), more rods than cones (or rods exclusively) in the retina, and a tapetum lucidum.” Early humans had relatively small eyes, as well as no indications of any bioluminescent capability, and apparently were badly nearsighted as well as intellectually dumbfounded about practically everything. In other words, our physiology of that 10,000 BC era has us dependent on most everything going smoothly and friendly, because our intellectual capabilities were not hardly worth squat until something kicked our genetic evolution butts into high gear, at a thousandfold the rate of all other species on Earth, and yet our physiology remained as extremely limited and relatively frail compared to the vast majority of other life which was way better suited to surviving without the use of protective caves. Those early humans had to have had a great many fears and uncertainties over just about everything. *Therefore most of anything outside of their protective caves had to have been truly remarkable as well as spectacular and otherwise mostly scary as hell, and most certainly worth noting as exaggerated in their cave wall paintings. Apparently, for all of its spooky grandeur and spectacular vibrant nature, their moon of that cave dwelling and still very ice-age era as of prior to 10,000 BC, simply didn’t muster up to anything worth their time. On May 23, 7:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: In case some of you didn't realize it, "Terraforming the moon underground" means digging into it, and TBM means tunnel boring machine. On Apr 11, 9:17*am, Brad Guth wrote: Pay no special attention to those hiding behind curtains and pretending as always being faith-based and/or politically correct, because it's their mostly public-funded and/or faith-based job to topic/author stalk and to otherwise FUD everything to death. *Hitler had the exact same “Paperclip” team of rusemasters and FUD-masters, as professional clowns working and/or manipulating the locals into a mainstream status-quo mindset, which unfortunately far too many bought into instead of taking any logical stance against their totally bat**** crazy peers. Of course this mainstream status-quo policy of obfuscation and denial is what brought us a mutually perpetrated cold-war era and the negative Karma likes of 911 (make that positive Karma if you are an oligarch of our military industrial complex), each of which wasted decades and costing us trillions of our hard earned dollars, as well as having systematically squandered all sorts of talent, expertise and resources that we'll never get back, and which force other nations to follow suit. Venus is pretty much as hot and nasty as we’ve all been indoctrinated about. *However, this not necessarily the case of each and every location, such as mountainous and polar area can be considerably cooler though still extremely hot by human standards that we’re accustomed to. *With applied physics and reasonable technology, the surface of Venus can be dealt with, at least robotically, and otherwise via composite rigid airships it can be further exploited while easily protecting the airship crew. *Of course you have to think both really big and perhaps even small in order to fully appreciate the potential of what exploiting such a nearby planet has to offer, because it’s the in-between that’s not easily accomplished if you can only think of terrestrial methods that get to deal with on Earth. Our physically dark and naked moon is just another metallicity treasure trove of valuable resources (including much clean energy), just sitting out there and causing us mostly grief and otherwise contributing very little terrestrial benefit, unless added IR, X-rays and gamma plus loads of tidal surging and increased seismic trauma is desirable. On Feb 18, 6:56*am, Brad Guth wrote: It's probably close to averaging a cozy 0 F (255 K) at no greater than 10 meters deep, and it shouldn't have any problems reaching 70 F (day or night) at 100 km deep or possibly as shallow as 10 km (depending on the core energy). *The R-factor of lunar regolith (lose basalt rock and loads of crystal dry dust that’s at minimum 10 meters deep) is none too shabby, and otherwise the geothermal conductance and/or heat transfer coefficient (aka geothermal gradient) of its paramagnetic basalt crust of 3.5 g/cm3 density shouldn't be significantly any different than here on Earth, except that our terrestrial basalt isn't nearly as paramagnetic or much less offering carbonado, and the core heat of Earth being 7000+ K as opposed to only 1000 K of our moon.. Supposedly there is only a wee little bit of lunar granite to deal with, but the samples thus far are inconsistent in their composition. A new interpretation is that all-inclusively the geothermal outflux of Earth (including geothermal vents and volcanic contributions) is getting rid of roughly 128 mw/m2, whereas our moon is supposedly only getting rid of as little as 16 mw/m2 (an 8th as much). *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient *“Geothermal gradient is the rate of increasing temperature with respect to increasing depth in the Earth's interior.” The "Igneous Petrology" of our moon and Venus should each be unique and considerably different than Earth. “The composition of igneous rocks and minerals can be determined via a variety of methods of varying ease, cost, and complexity. The simplest method is observation of hand samples with the naked eye and/or with a hand lens. This can be used to gauge the general mineralogical composition of the rock, which gives an insight into the composition.” Unfortunately, the rocks returned from our moon were entirely similar to those of terrestrial rocks. *Of course there’s all sorts of actual paramagnetic basalt moon rock to be found on Earth, because there should be at least a thousand teratonnes of it, whereas naturally most of which ended up in oceans and otherwise as having meteor and obvious melt indications that are entirely quite different than local volcanic spewed basalts. “A more precise but still relatively inexpensive way to identify minerals (and thereby the bulk chemical composition of the rock) with a petrographic microscope. These microscopes have polarizing plates, filters, and a conoscopic lens that allow the user to measure a large number of crystallographic properties.” Contributor “Wretch Fossil” actually has a very good “petrographic microscope” and multiple resources plus talent of interpreting such to go along with it. *Sadly this technology and its expertise of interpreting is being ignored by those of authority that do not want outsiders having a public say about anything. *So, once again, it really doesn’t matter whatever level of modern applied technology and expertise we have to offer, because it’s only going to be topic/author stalked and systematically trashed by those of Usenet/newsgroup authority that have multiple mainstream issues at risk. TBMs cutting their tunnels into the interior of our moon should prove both interesting and rewarding in terms of extracting rare and valuable elements, not to mention creating the very cozy and safe habitat potential that’s opened up for multiple uses. *Unfortunately this method can not be applied on such a geodynamically active planet like Venus that has such a thin crust and way more primordial core energy outflux of perhaps 20.5 w/m2 as contributing way more geothermal energy than any other planet or moon has to offer, although older and cooler planets or any number of their moons (except for Io that’s averaging 2 w/m2) should be somewhat similar to terraforming the cozy interior of our moon. *http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-s...etary_interior... *http://commercialspace.pbworks.com/f/Public+ILN.pdf *The likely two thirds (6.6e17~6.6e18 tonnes) worth of lose surface basalt rock and dust including whatever 4+ billion years worth of accumulated deposits, as remaining crystal dry on the naked surface of our physically dark moon (not including the other good third portion as having been dislodged and deposited on Earth) is a direct result of the thousands of significant impacts, and especially as a result of whatever created its South polar crater of 2500 km diameter, that which all by itself should have contributed a minimum of 3e17 m3 or possibly a maximum contribution of 1e18 m3 if including the planet sized impactor contributions. *Given the limited surface area of the moon as being 3.8e13 m2 doesn’t exactly allow all that much surface area for accommodating such volume of lose crater made fallout, and perhaps due to much of its own basalt metallicity making its density worth on average 3.5 tonnes/m3 unless offset by loads of accumulated carbon buckyballs. *In that kind of hard vacuum, there really shouldn’t be all that much porosity to any of its solidified basalt or carbonado. Liquefied basalt as returning fallout from such truly horrific impacts that should have extensively solidified and possibly fused upon contact with the relatively cool basalt surface, as such should have been quite obvious and highly distinctive if such exposed lunar bedrock samples had been return to Earth. *Sadly, no such samples or even unique meteorites ever materialized from our NASA/Apollo era, that found our naked moon as instead so unusually reflective and UV, X- ray and gamma inert as well as hardly the least bit dusty, and what little crystal dry dust there was seemed to offer terrific surface tension and clumping for their footing and traction like no place else. Even taking the utmost conservative swag-estimate of 3.8e16 m3 worth of lose rock, debris and accumulated dust, is still suggesting an average surface depth of one km, which of course our Apollo era found no such indications, as though that moon is relatively new to us. *Of course, if that moon had created our Arctic ocean basin as of 11,712 years ago, would actually explain quite a bit. How’s that for a worthy topic of terraforming the innards of our naked moon that’s practically dust free and mostly solid as any rock according to our Apollo wizards? If we can't deal with utilizing our moon, then all other off-world issues are either bogus or nothing but FUD worthy in order to appease the oligarchs that have no intentions of going down without another good fight. Once situated behind our TBMs as digging and excavating their way deeper into our moon, along with multiple airlocks secured, as then we'd have no way of telling other than reduced gravity that we're not on Earth. Gadget technology and communications would be roughly the same, except those two-way or duplex home-world channels having their usual signal delay, but otherwise all data received from Earth would be exactly as good and even more reliable than ever. |
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