Astronomy - not religious pollution

Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, "Atheist Joe" wrote:

sci.astro.amateur drop message-id:*news.webpartner.dk*

On Wed 02 Apr 2008 wrote:
CALL YOUR THEATER. BUY GROUP TICKETS.
RENT A THEATER.
Here's How:

1. Identify your local movie theater's corporate affiliation
(Regal, AMC, Cinemark, etc.) by looking in the newspaper for
their ads.

2. Call the corporate headquarters (see the list below) and tell
them to book EXPELLED at your local theater (give them your
state and home town.)

3. Visit http://www.expelledthemovie.com and download a free
poster.

4. Call or stop by your local theater and ask for the manager.
Tell him that your school, church, or organization wants to
see EXPELLED. Ask about group rates and/or renting the
theater for a night. Leave a note with the EXPELLED poster.

We will contact you:
Leave a message on our Group Sales Hotline at: 800-705-0485,
send an email to
Please forward this email to friends and contacts!
_________________________________________________ __________________________________

Company Phone Company Phone

AMC (800) 262-4849 Malco Theatres (AK, MS, KT, MO)..(866) 528-1589
Carmike Cinemas (706) 576-3400 Malco Theatres (Memphis).........(901) 761-3480
Century Theatres (415) 448-8422 Mann Theatres....................(818) 380-8212
Cinemark (800) Cinemark Mescop Theatres..................(715) 362-2800
Classic Cinemas (630) 968-1600 MJR Theatres.....................(248) 548-8282
x116
Cleveland Cinemas (440) 349-3306 Muvico Theatres..................(954) 564-6550
x1284
Drexel Theatres Gr (614) 222-0947 Rave Motion Pictures.............(972) 692-1700
Easter Federal (800) 394-7368 Regal Cinemas/Edwards/UA.........(800) 792-8244
x328
GKC Theatres (217) 528-4981 Rouman Cinemas...................(715) 362-2800
x107
Harkins Theatres (480) 627-7777 Santikos Theatres................(210) 496-1300
x12
Kerasotes Theatres (217) 788-5200 Star Theatres (608) 326-5449
Krikorian Theatres (866) 250-2320 UltraStar Cinemas (760) 597-5777
x14
Lone Star Theatres (512) 353-7077
_________________________________________________ __________________________________

'EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed'
In Theaters Nationwide, Friday April 18th
http://www.expelledthemovie.com
__________________________________________________ ________________

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008, Gabriel wrote:
Yet more evidence of how anyone who dares question evolutionism
or point out how the evidence points much more accurately towards
intelligent design.

=============================================== =

https://www.icr.org/article/3766/

Intelligence Expelled
by Christine Dao*
"Ideas have consequences." With these words, Premise Media CFO
Ralph Manning summarized Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed at an
early screening event in Fort Worth, Texas. The new film,
starring stoic funnyman Ben Stein, has stirred up a lot of
controversy in recent months--and that appears to be its goal.

"Ben Stein is an ardent defender of the sanctity of life and has
come to see Darwinian evolution as an important issue in the
culture war," Manning explained. The film, he said, attempts to
bring the underlying issues surrounding the origins debate to the
attention of an otherwise apathetic public.

Shot in ten countries on four continents, Expelled chronicles the
economist, actor, lawyer, columnist, and former presidential
speechwriter's search for answers as he conducts interviews with
both proponents and dissenters of the scientific theory of
Darwinian evolution. His destinations include universities,
museums, and even the Nazi extermination camp of Dachau, located
in southern Germany near Munich.

Expelled, set to open in approximately 1,000 theatres nationwide
on April 18, challenges conventional thought and exposes the
systematic suppression of academic freedom and free speech that
the scientific community has conducted under the guise of
"science." Stein injects his signature humor into an otherwise
grave matter, at first providing comical counterpoints to
evolutionary claims, but then gradually revealing the serious
consequences of allowing politics and personal agendas to muzzle
the free marketplace of ideas.

The film dips into the ideology behind the theories of evolution
and intelligent design. Viewers are treated to a model animation
and scientific explanation of DNA and cellular systems. With
advances in molecular biology and nanotechnology, scientists are
discovering the amazing intricacies and complexities of the human
cell, most of which were unknown in Darwin's time.

But the main focus is the oppression of scientists and educators
who have been fired, denied tenure, or otherwise shunned because
they dared to question Darwinism. Journalist and author Larry
Witham told Stein that among his years of reporting on the
evolution debate, he found that people can't question the
"paradigm" if they want to advance in science. After all, grant
money and teaching positions are controlled by the evolutionary
elitists, barring most dissenting scientists from conducting
research that might oppose evolution.

Many scientists' identities had to be shielded in the film for
fear of persecution and/or retribution. Guillermo Gonzalez, an
eminent astronomer who was denied tenure at Iowa State
University, said that scientists will use intelligent design to
do their research, but will not publicly talk about or admit it.
The film employs imagery of the Berlin Wall to illustrate this
suppression. Academic freedom is only allowed on one side of the
wall, Stein explains, and any ideas from the "other side" must be
eliminated.

His sobering visits to Dachau and the Hadamar "mental hospital"--
where more than 14,000 "patients" met their demise under Nazism's
racial purity policies--painted an eerie picture of what happens
to humanity when a few elitists take it upon themselves to help
along the evolutionary process. According to From Darwin to
Hitler author Richard Weikart, Hitler saw World War II as a
Darwinian struggle for existence, and he justified the practice
of eugenics by saying that mankind had "transgressed the law of
natural selection" by allowing inferior beings to survive and
propagate (Mein Kampf, 1925).

Darwinism's proponents are given ample time to state their case.
Biologist Richard Dawkins and National Center for Science
Education executive director Eugenie Scott make appearances,
though their comments don't so much present evidence for
Darwinism as reveal their own biases. Scott proudly displays a
push-pin map of the United States showing areas where the NCSE is
making efforts to quell opposition to Darwinism. The film
concludes with a one-on-one interview between Dawkins and Stein,
a discussion that is sure to surprise audiences on either side of
the "wall."

A variety of reviews, blogs, and judgments circulated the web
even before the movie's release. Some compared Expelled to the
works of Michael Moore, and others denied that Stein ever
interviewed Dawkins at all. If the film stirred up this much
controversy before hitting the big screen, then it has certainly
been successful thus far in promoting its primary message: "Ideas
have consequences."
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I hope this movie has the impact its producers are hoping for,
that the general theory of ID does in fact get included along-
side the (officially since 1947) monopolistic theory of EV in
the curriculum of accredited universities across America, and
this in the very near future, like starting next year in 2009.

Meanwhile, the Atheists continue mocking the film, believing
that it will have no effect at all. Sadly, they may be right,
especially since the bible explicitly says they won't repent,
not to the bitter end. If history is any judge...enough said.

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, "Atheist Joe" wrote:

sci.astro.amateur drop message-id:*news.webpartner.dk*

On Wed 02 Apr 2008 wrote:
CALL YOUR THEATER. BUY GROUP TICKETS.
RENT A THEATER.
Here's How:

1. Identify your local movie theater's corporate affiliation
(Regal, AMC, Cinemark, etc.) by looking in the newspaper for
their ads.

2. Call the corporate headquarters (see the list below) and tell
them to book EXPELLED at your local theater (give them your
state and home town.)

3. Visit http://www.expelledthemovie.com and download a free
poster.

4. Call or stop by your local theater and ask for the manager.
Tell him that your school, church, or organization wants to
see EXPELLED. Ask about group rates and/or renting the
theater for a night. Leave a note with the EXPELLED poster.

We will contact you:
Leave a message on our Group Sales Hotline at: 800-705-0485,
send an email to
Please forward this email to friends and contacts!
_________________________________________________ __________________________________

Company Phone Company Phone

AMC (800) 262-4849 Malco Theatres (AK, MS, KT, MO)..(866) 528-1589
Carmike Cinemas (706) 576-3400 Malco Theatres (Memphis).........(901) 761-3480
Century Theatres (415) 448-8422 Mann Theatres....................(818) 380-8212
Cinemark (800) Cinemark Mescop Theatres..................(715) 362-2800
Classic Cinemas (630) 968-1600 MJR Theatres.....................(248) 548-8282
x116
Cleveland Cinemas (440) 349-3306 Muvico Theatres..................(954) 564-6550
x1284
Drexel Theatres Gr (614) 222-0947 Rave Motion Pictures.............(972) 692-1700
Easter Federal (800) 394-7368 Regal Cinemas/Edwards/UA.........(800) 792-8244
x328
GKC Theatres (217) 528-4981 Rouman Cinemas...................(715) 362-2800
x107
Harkins Theatres (480) 627-7777 Santikos Theatres................(210) 496-1300
x12
Kerasotes Theatres (217) 788-5200 Star Theatres (608) 326-5449
Krikorian Theatres (866) 250-2320 UltraStar Cinemas (760) 597-5777
x14
Lone Star Theatres (512) 353-7077
_________________________________________________ __________________________________

'EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed'
In Theaters Nationwide, Friday April 18th
http://www.expelledthemovie.com
__________________________________________________ ________________

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008, Gabriel wrote:
Yet more evidence of how anyone who dares question evolutionism
or point out how the evidence points much more accurately towards
intelligent design.

=============================================== =

https://www.icr.org/article/3766/

Intelligence Expelled
by Christine Dao*
"Ideas have consequences." With these words, Premise Media CFO
Ralph Manning summarized Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed at an
early screening event in Fort Worth, Texas. The new film,
starring stoic funnyman Ben Stein, has stirred up a lot of
controversy in recent months--and that appears to be its goal.

"Ben Stein is an ardent defender of the sanctity of life and has
come to see Darwinian evolution as an important issue in the
culture war," Manning explained. The film, he said, attempts to
bring the underlying issues surrounding the origins debate to the
attention of an otherwise apathetic public.

Shot in ten countries on four continents, Expelled chronicles the
economist, actor, lawyer, columnist, and former presidential
speechwriter's search for answers as he conducts interviews with
both proponents and dissenters of the scientific theory of
Darwinian evolution. His destinations include universities,
museums, and even the Nazi extermination camp of Dachau, located
in southern Germany near Munich.

Expelled, set to open in approximately 1,000 theatres nationwide
on April 18, challenges conventional thought and exposes the
systematic suppression of academic freedom and free speech that
the scientific community has conducted under the guise of
"science." Stein injects his signature humor into an otherwise
grave matter, at first providing comical counterpoints to
evolutionary claims, but then gradually revealing the serious
consequences of allowing politics and personal agendas to muzzle
the free marketplace of ideas.

The film dips into the ideology behind the theories of evolution
and intelligent design. Viewers are treated to a model animation
and scientific explanation of DNA and cellular systems. With
advances in molecular biology and nanotechnology, scientists are
discovering the amazing intricacies and complexities of the human
cell, most of which were unknown in Darwin's time.

But the main focus is the oppression of scientists and educators
who have been fired, denied tenure, or otherwise shunned because
they dared to question Darwinism. Journalist and author Larry
Witham told Stein that among his years of reporting on the
evolution debate, he found that people can't question the
"paradigm" if they want to advance in science. After all, grant
money and teaching positions are controlled by the evolutionary
elitists, barring most dissenting scientists from conducting
research that might oppose evolution.

Many scientists' identities had to be shielded in the film for
fear of persecution and/or retribution. Guillermo Gonzalez, an
eminent astronomer who was denied tenure at Iowa State
University, said that scientists will use intelligent design to
do their research, but will not publicly talk about or admit it.
The film employs imagery of the Berlin Wall to illustrate this
suppression. Academic freedom is only allowed on one side of the
wall, Stein explains, and any ideas from the "other side" must be
eliminated.

His sobering visits to Dachau and the Hadamar "mental hospital"--
where more than 14,000 "patients" met their demise under Nazism's
racial purity policies--painted an eerie picture of what happens
to humanity when a few elitists take it upon themselves to help
along the evolutionary process. According to From Darwin to
Hitler author Richard Weikart, Hitler saw World War II as a
Darwinian struggle for existence, and he justified the practice
of eugenics by saying that mankind had "transgressed the law of
natural selection" by allowing inferior beings to survive and
propagate (Mein Kampf, 1925).

Darwinism's proponents are given ample time to state their case.
Biologist Richard Dawkins and National Center for Science
Education executive director Eugenie Scott make appearances,
though their comments don't so much present evidence for
Darwinism as reveal their own biases. Scott proudly displays a
push-pin map of the United States showing areas where the NCSE is
making efforts to quell opposition to Darwinism. The film
concludes with a one-on-one interview between Dawkins and Stein,
a discussion that is sure to surprise audiences on either side of
the "wall."

A variety of reviews, blogs, and judgments circulated the web
even before the movie's release. Some compared Expelled to the
works of Michael Moore, and others denied that Stein ever
interviewed Dawkins at all. If the film stirred up this much
controversy before hitting the big screen, then it has certainly
been successful thus far in promoting its primary message: "Ideas
have consequences."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

I hope this movie has the impact its producers are hoping for,
that the general theory of ID does in fact get included along-
side the (officially since 1947) monopolistic theory of EV in
the curriculum of accredited universities across America, and
this in the very near future, like starting next year in 2009.

Meanwhile, the Atheists continue mocking the film, believing
that it will have no effect at all. Sadly, they may be right,
especially since the bible explicitly says they won't repent,
not to the bitter end. If history is any judge...enough said.

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
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-BUT-,- BUT- ,-BUT. No one alse will listen to me.



"Astronomy Joe" wrote in message
...
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.

"Mark F." wrote:

-BUT-,- BUT- ,-BUT. No one alse will listen to me.

And besides... is not astronimy itself a religious act:
the ultimate form of "adoration of the heavens..."?

-dave w






"Astronomy Joe" wrote in message
...
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.

Mark F. wrote:
-BUT-,- BUT- ,-BUT. No one alse will listen to me.



"Astronomy Joe" wrote in message
...
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.




I really like that one.. That made for a good day..

Thanks,
Steve

On Apr 10, 12:28 pm, "Astronomy Joe" wrote:
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.

Unfortunately, the people posting that stuff here do not listen to our
complaints.

John Savard

On Apr 11, 1:14*am, David Weinshenker wrote:
"Mark F." wrote:

-BUT-,- BUT- ,-BUT. No one alse will listen to me.

And besides... is not astronimy itself a religious act:
the ultimate form of "adoration of the heavens..."?

-dave w





"Astronomy Joe" wrote in message
.. .
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have your own unintelligent design going on there,it is called the
Ra/Dec system applied to heliocentric reasoning,it looks like this -

http://www.opencourse.info/astronomy...phere_anim.gif

Of course you adore that celestial sphere geometry when you look out
on the heavens -

http://www.belugalakeobservatory.com...py_700x700.jpg

Yourselves and the creationists are well suited,the first time I saw
'intelligent design' appear in the newsgroups I knew what was coming.I
actually tried to increase the intellectual standard applied to
astronomy in order to counter what will be nothing more than
overheated junk from both sides -

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.p...758f83f565520f

I am a Christian and recognise that those of the lowest intelllectual
standards will relish the upcoming phony 'debate' on both sides
whereas true belief and true science will remain quite apart.I have
always promoted the latter and will continue to do so.

Anonymous Remailer wrote:

I hope this movie has the impact its producers are hoping for,
that the general theory of ID does in fact get included along-
side the (officially since 1947) monopolistic theory of EV in
the curriculum of accredited universities across America, and
this in the very near future, like starting next year in 2009.

Meanwhile, the Atheists continue mocking the film, believing
that it will have no effect at all. Sadly, they may be right,
especially since the bible explicitly says they won't repent,
not to the bitter end. If history is any judge...enough said.

"If history is any judge...enough said." The official archives of
history is always recorded and/or excluded by those in charge. Of
Zionist and Hitler would not have wanted it any other way. Our
resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) is further proof-positive of whatever
goes into history is the born-again words as only their God sees fit.
.. - Brad Guth

"Astronomy Joe" skrev i en meddelelse
...
Cut the religious bull**** and pollution.

This is an astronomy newsgroup.
Hank.



I really like that one.. That made for a good day..

Thanks,
Steve


Unfortunately, the people posting that stuff here do not listen to our
complaints.

John Savard


Hi guys..
Yes, sadly astronomy talk in here gradually seems to be an exception to the
religious rule.
But these religious mental-shortcuts continue rattling off,
They should get into their own groups, that goes to newsgroups as well....
perhaps something like
brainwash.nowiamabeliever.tocomornotto.com
Any other suggestions ;-)
Hank