OT, but a spooky concept

"Rick Jones" wrote in message
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In sci.space.history Jeff Findley wrote:
My thoughts exactly. The video screams "Rogue nation! Protect
yourself from the evil United States with our new terror weapon, a
cruise missile in a shipping container!".

Make certain though you pay extra for top-stacking on the container
ship with nothing on either end of your container. Which will of
course make them a little more conspicuous.

No nation has have enough manpower to search such well placed shipping
containers all over the world. And even if we did, the container can still
be well placed on a train or truck, which makes your search orders of
magnitude more difficult than "just" searching the well placed containers on
every cargo ship on the planet.

Jeff
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that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

On Apr 28, 9:58�am, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
"Rick Jones" wrote in message

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In sci.space.history Jeff Findley wrote:
My thoughts exactly. �The video screams "Rogue nation! Protect
yourself from the evil United States with our new terror weapon, a
cruise missile in a shipping container!".

Make certain though you pay extra for top-stacking on the container
ship with nothing on either end of your container. �Which will of
course make them a little more conspicuous.

No nation has have enough manpower to search such well placed shipping
containers all over the world. �And even if we did, the container can still
be well placed on a train or truck, which makes your search orders of
magnitude more difficult than "just" searching the well placed containers on
every cargo ship on the planet.

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

Homeland security fears shipping containers with WMDs and GPS auto
detonate will be arriving here someday.

Terrorisat just ships to big citys. Often incoming cargo containers
arent checked.......

It would grind trade to a standstill

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
On 4/28/2010 5:58 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:


No nation has have enough manpower to search such well placed shipping
containers all over the world. And even if we did, the container can
still
be well placed on a train or truck, which makes your search orders of
magnitude more difficult than "just" searching the well placed containers
on
every cargo ship on the planet.

Yeah, but without info on where it's getting launched from and where it's
supposed to go, the cruise missile is going to be completely lost on
exiting the launch tube.

Russian version of GPS (Global Orbiting Navigation Satellite System, or
GLONASS).

Here's info on the missile itself:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html

From above:
The onboard control system includes a barometric altimeter
used to maintain altitude in terrain-following mode
(making the weapon stealthier than designs which rely on
radar altimeters), plus a receiver for the Glonass satellite
navigation system.

Also, why not add a couple of GLONASS antennas to the top of the shipping
container? If a hand-held GPS (e.g. iPhone) can work inside a car, why not
behind a concealed antenna "window" on the top of the shipping container?

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
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On 4/28/2010 10:55 AM, Pat Flannery wrote:

Yeah, but without info on where it's getting launched from and where
it's supposed to go, the cruise missile is going to be completely lost
on exiting the launch tube.

Although...if you were to stick a hidden GPS antenna on the cargo
container that would keep track of where it was at and enter that info
into the missile's guidance system before launch, and the guidance system
already had the GPS coordinates for the target in it...then the missile
could be programed to just fly in a circle after launch till its onboard
GPS system indicated it was on the right bearing to its target, and the
orientation of the container at launch wouldn't matter.
So you could make this thing go off all on its own with a timer, and
figure out some way of getting it surreptitiously within range of its
intended target.

See my other reply about using the Russian Glonass satellite navigation
system. The web page for the missile says the missile is equipped to
receive Glonass signals, so why not the shipping container too?

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

David Spain wrote:

Also, don't know how seriously the tractor trailer idea was
considered,
but the circular railroad was.

Circular but also just putting them on freight trains out west.


Now Greg, you gotta admit that I'm right that this rail car would
definitely be improved with big DONGNAMA lettering printed on both
sides!

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/ic...ekeeper_07.jpg


That or some gang tags. No one would mess with it then.
;-)

Dave

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Jeff Findley wrote:

Also, why not add a couple of GLONASS antennas to the top of the
shipping container? If a hand-held GPS (e.g. iPhone) can work inside
a car, why not behind a concealed antenna "window" on the top of the
shipping container?
Jeff

In fact, I believe it's not unheard of for shipping containers to have a GPS
system built in so they can report home where they are. (This is more useful
for perishable items).

So this might not even attract attention.

--
Greg Moore
Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

On 4/28/2010 5:50 AM, Allen Thomson wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:26 am, Pat wrote:

The ones that were going to travel around the US would have been on
trains, not trucks.


The Soviets actually did have such a thing, the SS-24:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/icbm/rt-23.htm

And a secret road mobile ICBM also:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/temp2s.htm
....which became the ancestor of the current Topel-M:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/topol.htm
We had a short-lived program to develop something along the same lines
called "Midgetman":
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/sicbm.htm
Here's a Air Force drawing of the Minuteman railcar concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mo...Conception.png


Pat

On 4/28/2010 5:58 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:


No nation has have enough manpower to search such well placed shipping
containers all over the world. And even if we did, the container can still
be well placed on a train or truck, which makes your search orders of
magnitude more difficult than "just" searching the well placed containers on
every cargo ship on the planet.

Yeah, but without info on where it's getting launched from and where
it's supposed to go, the cruise missile is going to be completely lost
on exiting the launch tube.
Here's info on the missile itself:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html
I think the idea is to hide the missiles in one's own country so they
are difficult to eliminate at the beginning of hostilities, as well as
being able to move them from point-to-point inconspicuously.
You are still going to need to update the missile's guidance system once
you get it to where you are going to launch it from, as well as telling
it where its target is at.
In the video, it shows a door at the opposite end of the shipping
container from where the missiles are after they are elevated. That is
no doubt where you enter to update their guidance systems, and probably
where you launch them from also.

Pat

"Pat Flannery" wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
On 4/28/2010 9:10 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:
"Pat wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
On 4/28/2010 5:58 AM, Jeff Findley wrote:


No nation has have enough manpower to search such well placed shipping
containers all over the world. And even if we did, the container can
still
be well placed on a train or truck, which makes your search orders of
magnitude more difficult than "just" searching the well placed
containers
on
every cargo ship on the planet.

Yeah, but without info on where it's getting launched from and where
it's
supposed to go, the cruise missile is going to be completely lost on
exiting the launch tube.

Russian version of GPS (Global Orbiting Navigation Satellite System, or
GLONASS).


All great minds think alike, don't they?


From above:
The onboard control system includes a barometric altimeter
used to maintain altitude in terrain-following mode
(making the weapon stealthier than designs which rely on
radar altimeters),

As long as you fly high enough that will work, also providing you don't
cross a weather front while the missile is on the way to the target and
have the barometric pressure change on you.
People who have seen Tomahawk cruise missiles in flight at night have
noticed that there are red flashes of light coming from the underside from
time-to-time. Besides its TERCOM radar, it appears it's using some sort of
LIDAR to monitor its height above the ground and check out the terrain
under it without becoming a radar emitter.

Considering how good the Russians are with laser technologies, I'm sure they
have something similar. If the Russians would export that technology is
another question entirely.

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

On 4/28/2010 10:55 AM, Pat Flannery wrote:

Yeah, but without info on where it's getting launched from and where
it's supposed to go, the cruise missile is going to be completely lost
on exiting the launch tube.

Although...if you were to stick a hidden GPS antenna on the cargo
container that would keep track of where it was at and enter that info
into the missile's guidance system before launch, and the guidance
system already had the GPS coordinates for the target in it...then the
missile could be programed to just fly in a circle after launch till its
onboard GPS system indicated it was on the right bearing to its target,
and the orientation of the container at launch wouldn't matter.
So you could make this thing go off all on its own with a timer, and
figure out some way of getting it surreptitiously within range of its
intended target.

Pat